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Vijay Shankar at 4 can be a good option

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If we play Shankar at 4, we get 6th bowling option. He is a very solid player and when set can hit in the end .  He looks far more assured against Pace then Rayudu. Its given that dhoni will go in Wc so lets not even debate that but Making Shankar bat at 4 

Its gives us options like

 

Shankar

Dhoni 

Jadhav/pant/karthik 

Pandya 

 

Pant n karthik gets into picture . Pant is a leftie and karthik is the cameo king a good player for no.6 . Jadhav has been good but not in every situation 

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Rayudu aint going anywhere... He has Kohli's backing.. been scoring runs.. so no debate practically speaking..

Dhoni at 5.. Again Kohli has been saying this for a while..

Shankar can be a good No. 6.. 

Pandya at 7.

 

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6 minutes ago, sandeep said:

One decent innings.  

 

Two threads on ICF.  More to come.  

 

Reactionary knee-jerk children.

its never about 1-2 innings, its about signs n how players play. Sometimes u can see a talent even in 20-30 runs. He has been gr8 in domestic n was damn good in A-tour . 

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Is it just me or does anyone else feel he is a predominantly leg side batsman.. His go to shot seems to be to shuffle across the stumps and flick/drive it through mid-wicket

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Awful bowler like Dubey.  Is like a 70 mph bowling machine, will get wrecked in wc

 

But can bat and always said can bat.  But his bowling at best is 6th option max, not sure thats enough to warrant being in white ball team?

 

Jadhav bowling is tragic as well, has got away with it so far but in big games these 2 bolwing could be game changers, game changers to help us lose that is

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9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yaar ye sab likh kya ukhaad lete ho, fact diya kro apne opinon ke 

Between Shankar and Pandya that is 100+ gauranteed runs for opposition. Proper bowlers and they get maybe 70.

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5 minutes ago, Khota said:

Between Shankar and Pandya that is 100+ gauranteed runs for opposition. Proper bowlers and they get maybe 70.

Again watch some cricket - pandya n shankar toghther if gives 100+ runs is fine as their eco wud be 5-6 which is fine from 5th n 6th bowler in addition they bat n field superbly saving 10-20 runs in field so that 100 becomes 80-90 ....

 

Now had u been watching these games u wud have seen rayudu leaks 4-10 runs in field + drop catches

Now umesh yadav alone gives 70 + runs 

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Indian bowlers conceding 60 or more runs most time in Odis

25 times in 188 inn Agarkar 13.29%
25 times in 191 inn Zaheer 13.08%
23 times in 117 inn Nehra 19.65%
20 times in 72 inn Umesh 27.77%

 

Stat worth adding in for this circle

 

 

This is how much umesh yadav leaks runs , pandya n shankar cant even come close to leaking runs like umesh......infact get u19 kids they wont leak as many 

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16 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said:

Hes a hack and one fluke innings doesnt change anything.

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This is what you call blind hate. Not even willing to acknowledge his inning. He also got runs in 3rd ODI. Today was a great game, middle order truly came to the party then bowlers did well. It was a fantastic win.  

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19 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Again watch some cricket - pandya n shankar toghther if gives 100+ runs is fine as their eco wud be 5-6 which is fine from 5th n 6th bowler in addition they bat n field superbly saving 10-20 runs in field so that 100 becomes 80-90 ....

 

Now had u been watching these games u wud have seen rayudu leaks 4-10 runs in field + drop catches

Now umesh yadav alone gives 70 + runs 

44511051_2041314259253365_38050357165057

 

Indian bowlers conceding 60 or more runs most time in Odis

25 times in 188 inn Agarkar 13.29%
25 times in 191 inn Zaheer 13.08%
23 times in 117 inn Nehra 19.65%
20 times in 72 inn Umesh 27.77%

 

Stat worth adding in for this circle

 

 

This is how much umesh yadav leaks runs , pandya n shankar cant even come close to leaking runs like umesh......infact get u19 kids they wont leak as many 

Why not have a proper bowler and get a sub 5 numbers? Is that a difficult concept.

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5 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said:

Rayudu

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Hmm. Rayudu is not fluent to rotate strike and has to hit out and survive might get out most of the time. But he averages 55.  He is what you call an aberration.

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2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Why not have a proper bowler and get a sub 5 numbers? Is that a difficult concept.

how diff it for u to understand it doesnt work.....no team uses it . These theories dnt work in modern day cricket

U need utility, hitter, part timers , good fielders 

And what proper bowler- here we cant find a proper 4th fast bowler ....so what proper bowler. These all rounder contribute in 2-3 depts

 

Pandya made 45+ 2 wkts + excellent fielding

Shankar- runs , tiddy bowling, saved 10 runs in field

 

U need balance and thats what all rounders gives , thats why every team uses it 

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38 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

they all saved us in some way ....it was a team effort but the guy has struggled in both series despite numbers 

ofcourse everyone contributed. Infact between the two Shankar look much better. Like it or not, Rayudu is going to WC , good he got runs in difficult conditions he now has an inning to look back on if such situation were to occur during WC. 

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9 hours ago, sandeep said:

One decent innings.  

 

Two threads on ICF.  More to come.  

 

Reactionary knee-jerk children.

Honestly the guy got lot of stick after being picked in the wrong format first in that nidhas trophy t20 fams and people judged him based on his ability to hit /not hit in a t20 and that too in his first outing.

 

He is a proper bat than a hitter or an all rounder for now. Has the goods actually to be given chances. Not the best talent in India but surely worthy enough to be tried in the middle like any other youngster.

 

 

 

 

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No he cant really bowl,and as a batsman i wouldn't play him above kedar at 6 or rayudud at 4.Dhoni and pandya being fixed spots taken already at 5 and 7.We need pant as backup for rayudud when he inevitably fails.

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9 hours ago, sandeep said:

One decent innings.  

 

Two threads on ICF.  More to come.  

 

Reactionary knee-jerk children.

It is indeed amusing that countless threads exist for one player or for one topic. The forum culture is totally lacking here. Becoming more like Twitter. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Cricketics said:

Honestly the guy got lot of stick after being picked in the wrong format first in that nidhas trophy t20 fams and people judged him based on his ability to hit /not hit in a t20 and that too in his first outing.

 

He is a proper bat than a hitter or an all rounder for now. Has the goods actually to be given chances. Not the best talent in India but surely worthy enough to be tried in the middle like any other youngster.

 

 

 

 

Definitely.  Looks a decent bat, but his bowling is just honest pies at best.  Developmental player, but not an immediate solution for #4.

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57 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Definitely.  Looks a decent bat, but his bowling is just honest pies at best.  Developmental player, but not an immediate solution for #4.

he just has to be used at 6th n if jadhav is their 7th or some day 6th 

Looks a far solid batsman then rayudu who is current number 4 . He gets flak for being in category of pandya which is wrong coz he is more of a batsman who can bowl and is not a hitter like pandya but more of an anchor . His technique is really sound and even his kind of bowling will come in handy in some condition. A great plus on fielding over rayudu which we saw today . Rayudu played good but has struggled in both series and today the easy breathing space for him was that their 3rd 4th bowler was grandhomme n neesham, had NZ played lockie rayudu wud have been under test again

 

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2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Looks a far solid batsman then rayudu who is current number 4 .

This is what I mean by 'carried away'.   'Looking good' in one innings, scoring runs in India 'A' doesn't prove anything.  Manish Pandey is Bradman of India 'A'.   He also looked so good, scored a 100 chasing in Australia.  

 

Now I'm not saying that Shankar didn't bat well, he did, he showed some promise.  But you are seriously jumping the gun.  

 

As much as we are well-acquainted with Ambaatli's flaws and limitations, Rayudud is miles ahead of Vijay as an ODI batsman.  Miles.

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Just now, sandeep said:

This is what I mean by 'carried away'.   'Looking good' in one innings, scoring runs in India 'A' doesn't prove anything.  Manish Pandey is Bradman of India 'A'.   He also looked so good, scored a 100 chasing in Australia.  

Manish pandey also have been exposed against spin in middle overs and even on slow track + he didnt utlize his chances

Doesnt mean shankar wud go on same path . Have followed him for long and i dnt see any obvious weakness apart from that he takes time to change his gears 

Just now, sandeep said:

 

Now I'm not saying that Shankar didn't bat well, he did, he showed some promise.  But you are seriously jumping the gun.  

Ur thinking m saying on one innings but i have followed his batting for long . And as we sometimes see player playing and says he is made for international level thats is my judgement on him. When i see shankar i see and extremely solid batsman in him. With manish u can pick out chinks in his game easily wherever u see him bat . 

Its the same way we see Rahul, gill, shaw, pant, pandya n say these are special cricketer. I wnt say shankar is special but very able n solid n m sure he ll make a place for himself in coming time in ODI n test 

Just now, sandeep said:

As much as we are well-acquainted with Ambaatli's flaws and limitations, Rayudud is miles ahead of Vijay as an ODI batsman.  Miles.

Let shankar play as much cricket as rayudu and then lets say that ....and rayudu impact as batsman is such a low benchmark that shankar will pass in short time 

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38 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

NZ was using that trundler Monroe against him. He scored like 50 runs against Munroe and CDG. Otherwise he got a life in between. 

People will realize only in WC.

I think Williamson made a blunder by bringing on Munro and Neesham when it was 18/4. Those two are primarily batsmen and they released all the pressure created by Boult and Henry. Innocous stuff. Having said that Shankar and Rayudu could only score against whom they and to face. 

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59 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

NZ was using that trundler Monroe against him. He scored like 50 runs against Munroe and CDG. Otherwise he got a life in between. 

People will realize only in WC.

He ll play what he is served and he made enough runs against ferguson n NZ-A bowlers on A-tours. most of all he look very comfortable against International quality pace which is were rayudu struggled 4 yrs ago n this time to so that bowler logic can be used for someone like rayudu coz in his case the proof is against him

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2 hours ago, sandeep said:

This is what I mean by 'carried away'.   'Looking good' in one innings, scoring runs in India 'A' doesn't prove anything.  Manish Pandey is Bradman of India 'A'.   He also looked so good, scored a 100 chasing in Australia.  

 

Now I'm not saying that Shankar didn't bat well, he did, he showed some promise.  But you are seriously jumping the gun.  

 

As much as we are well-acquainted with Ambaatli's flaws and limitations, Rayudud is miles ahead of Vijay as an ODI batsman.  Miles.

Wonder why the same logic wasn't applied to Gill.. he too scored runs in the u-19 wc and India-A.. barely has any domestic experience. But still people hailed him as the only option to save our middle order.. if anything, Shankar, who has also done well for India-A comes across as a more ready international material than Gill who is too raw... Easily points to the fact that Shankar has spent more time in the domestic circuit..

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26 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Wonder why the same logic wasn't applied to Gill.. he too scored runs in the u-19 wc and India-A.. barely has any domestic experience. But still people hailed him as the only option to save our middle order.. if anything, Shankar, who has also done well for India-A comes across as a more ready international material than Gill who is too raw... Easily points to the fact that Shankar has spent more time in the domestic circuit..

I have the same opinion on Gill - jury is still out.  Obviously Gill is a top order batsman while Shankar is lower middle order bat who can turn his arm over, so different type of players.  Definitely Gill is raw compared to Shankar, no doubt.  But his ceiling seems to be higher.  Time will tell how these players pan out.  

 

All I am saying is that on the basis of what Shankar's resume, there isn't a lot of logic to justify benching Rayudu for him.  That's just reactionary desperation.  And I don't really like Rayudu much tbh.   His fielding lapses really piss me off.  

 

But at this point in time, just like Shankar is more 'seasoned' compared to Gill, Rayudu is even more experienced as a batsman at the international level.  

 

Shankar has no doubt put his hand up and batted nicely in a pressure situation.  But its a one-off, just like his Nidahas debacle.  This innings goes a long way to justify the 2nd chance he's given.  And I'm happy to see a young Indian player bounce back like that.  But lets just hold off on anointing him as the next middle order batsman.

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6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

n field superbly saving 10-20 runs in field

Shankar is a hard worker and committed fielder, but he's nowhere near Pandya's class as a fielder, or as a bowler for that matter.  Shankar will have to make the team by scoring specialist batsmen runs, his bowling is not something that can be counted on, unless he develops it further.   I do like his batting though, he looks decent.  I'm not surprised he was successful at the India A level.  

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5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Shankar is a hard worker and committed fielder, but he's nowhere near Pandya's class as a fielder, or as a bowler for that matter.  Shankar will have to make the team by scoring specialist batsmen runs, his bowling is not something that can be counted on, unless he develops it further.   I do like his batting though, he looks decent.  I'm not surprised he was successful at the India A level.  

pandya is a top class fielder , shankar is not their but even if he is 70% its gr8........rayudu has been proven as minus in the field.

Shankar is a batsman who can bowl so yea he has to be seen that way .His batting bowling will only develop as he plays more n more and same is the case with pandya 

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Only area Rayudu is probably considered better is with his six hitting against trundlers.  Otherwise he will struggle mostly against good bowling, bouncers.

Well one thing ill give to rayudu is that he is one the best players of spin but if he comes across good quality pace attack he is in trouble most days. 

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16 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I have the same opinion on Gill - jury is still out.  Obviously Gill is a top order batsman while Shankar is lower middle order bat who can turn his arm over, so different type of players.  Definitely Gill is raw compared to Shankar, no doubt.  But his ceiling seems to be higher.  Time will tell how these players pan out.  

 

All I am saying is that on the basis of what Shankar's resume, there isn't a lot of logic to justify benching Rayudu for him.  That's just reactionary desperation.  And I don't really like Rayudu much tbh.   His fielding lapses really piss me off.  

 

But at this point in time, just like Shankar is more 'seasoned' compared to Gill, Rayudu is even more experienced as a batsman at the international level.  

 

Shankar has no doubt put his hand up and batted nicely in a pressure situation.  But its a one-off, just like his Nidahas debacle.  This innings goes a long way to justify the 2nd chance he's given.  And I'm happy to see a young Indian player bounce back like that.  But lets just hold off on anointing him as the next middle order batsman.

nidhas innings was due to his style of play- he is not a t20 product as of now and will have to improve massively to be considered. His game is as such that he comes n takes his time n changes gear at the end . He is more of an anchor, accumulator but can easily bat at better s/r then rayudu n dhoni .

 

Shankar needs to be kept far away from t20s , Krunal is the right player for t20

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29 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I have the same opinion on Gill - jury is still out.  Obviously Gill is a top order batsman while Shankar is lower middle order bat who can turn his arm over, so different type of players.  Definitely Gill is raw compared to Shankar, no doubt.  But his ceiling seems to be higher.  Time will tell how these players pan out.  

 

All I am saying is that on the basis of what Shankar's resume, there isn't a lot of logic to justify benching Rayudu for him.  That's just reactionary desperation.  And I don't really like Rayudu much tbh.   His fielding lapses really piss me off.  

 

But at this point in time, just like Shankar is more 'seasoned' compared to Gill, Rayudu is even more experienced as a batsman at the international level.  

 

Shankar has no doubt put his hand up and batted nicely in a pressure situation.  But its a one-off, just like his Nidahas debacle.  This innings goes a long way to justify the 2nd chance he's given.  And I'm happy to see a young Indian player bounce back like that.  But lets just hold off on anointing him as the next middle order batsman.

Agree with most of the things in the post. I've been suggesting that Shankar be regarded as a backup for the middle order particularly Jadhav who's prone to injury. Rayudu has kinda sealed his place at No.4.. hard to accept for those that have seen the likes of Sachin and Yuvi bat there. But looks like it is going to be Rayudu at 4 for the WC

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16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

but if he comes across good quality pace attack he is in trouble most days. 

Against quality pace, as of now, I trust Rayudu a LOT more than I trust Shankar.   This is not even close.  

 

Rayudu gets a lot of flak, but some of it is undeserved. 

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7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

how diff it for u to understand it doesnt work.....no team uses it . These theories dnt work in modern day cricket

U need utility, hitter, part timers , good fielders 

And what proper bowler- here we cant find a proper 4th fast bowler ....so what proper bowler. These all rounder contribute in 2-3 depts

 

Pandya made 45+ 2 wkts + excellent fielding

Shankar- runs , tiddy bowling, saved 10 runs in field

 

U need balance and thats what all rounders gives , thats why every team uses it 

Forgot to mention that Pandya conceded the most runs.

 

If you saw the shyt show shankar how can you promote him. Shankar should not be in the same continent this team is playing in.

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seems to have temperament issues. I feel though just need to be kept lower down for his own good. A few solid innings and he will be a different player

 

bowling wise i think he is good for 2-3 overs. 

 

 

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Well, Shankar seems t be the only batsmen assured against quality pace bowling with swing....

 

Indian complete batting order pee their pants when the bowl is swinging....

 

I dont think he has a chance for this WC but he should be in the mix post the world cup...

 

His part time bowling is a bonus

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8 hours ago, Khota said:

Forgot to mention that Pandya conceded the most runs.

Someone will, in many main bowlers do so shud i throw them out to. Like in last 2 games main bowlers conceded more then pandya shud we throw them out

8 hours ago, Khota said:

If you saw the shyt show shankar how can you promote him. Shankar should not be in the same continent this team is playing in.

shankar batted really well thats why , if that was a shyte batting:hysterical:

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For this team to leave a mark it has to win a test series in England, can Shankar be a cog in the middle order? His pies can work in England under the right conditions, dibbly dobblies are effective over there more than anywhere else. 

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