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A group of Indians, who are apparently the believers of anti-natalism are working towards building a ‘child-free’ society. One such anti-natalist is Mumbai-based Raphael Samuel, who is planning to sue his parents for bringing him into this world without asking for his consent.

 

Madness of consent at extreme level

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9 hours ago, velu said:

there is some word for this .. women who dont want to have kids ., ever

It is not a question of men or women want kids or not.  They are just saying a baby cannot give consent to come in world so no human should have babies

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18 hours ago, beetle said:

India can do with a few of these.

We need people to stop obsessing with making babies.

It's natural really. It's inherent in human beings and other animals/organisms to maximize their survival potential by perpetuating their genes to next generation which in our case is through sexual reproduction.

It has been etched in our DNA due to the millions of years of evolution.

Not having babies is as unnatural as it can get. 

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6 minutes ago, velu said:

antinatalism .. 

 

once i saw a girl in instagram that she is antinatalist and dont want to have any kids of her own..

i googled the word for its  meaning 

Her choice. I pity such creatures but then again it's good in the larger scheme of things that faulty genes such as of hers do not get passed down to the next generations. Imagine a population group full of feminists and Homosexuals and what not.

Such morons should be allowed to die alone .

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Just now, Stradlater said:

Her choice. I pity such creatures but then again it's good in the larger scheme of things that faulty genes such as of hers do not get passed down to the next generations. Imagine a population group full of feminists and Homosexuals and what not.

Such morons should be allowed to die alone .

she is a muslim women and femanazi :phehe: 

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15 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

It's natural really. It's inherent in human beings and other animals/organisms to maximize their survival potential by perpetuating their genes to next generation which in our case is through sexual reproduction.

It has been etched in our DNA due to the millions of years of evolution.

Not having babies is as unnatural as it can get. 

Yeah....but exceptions are always there....more so in progressive societies which allow people choices without social sanction from others.

 

Even traditional societies like the Koreans are experiencing this .

 

This will probably become a problem in the long run but right now the obsession with having kids is a bigger problem in countries like India.

 

We can easily afford some antinatalist to balance things out.

 

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16 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Her choice. I pity such creatures but then again it's good in the larger scheme of things that faulty genes such as of hers do not get passed down to the next generations. Imagine a population group full of feminists and Homosexuals and what not.

Such morons should be allowed to die alone .

Unfortunately there is no guarantee that the ones having kids are passing down non faulty genes......

 

Hating on people who choose to be different is not a worthy trait either to pass on.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, beetle said:

Even traditional societies like the Koreans are experiencing this .

 

 

korean society is far more money minded  .. my korean colleague told that he will get married only buying a home which will cost  10/15 years of his salary 

byt he time he amrries , he will be above 40 and the women will also be close to 40 .. reason why they are seeing population decline

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2 minutes ago, beetle said:

Unfortunately there is no guarantee that the ones having kids are passing down non faulty genes......

 

Hating on people who choose to be different is not a worthy trait either to pass on.

 

 

No it isn't but at least there's a 50/50 chance.

I am not hating on these dimwits. I just fail to see their utility.

They are far too detached from the ground realities and for them the whole world is a big liberal arts college campus.

 

They amuse me is all. I see their kind all the time here in Delhi and feel nothing but pity for them.

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3 minutes ago, beetle said:

I prefer these people to guys like laaloo prasad yadav producing 9 good for nothing ,corrupt, burdens on the nation.

It's not a mutually exclusive thing Beetle ji.

Both are equally bad. Just because I didn't mention Lalu doesn't mean I endorse the lifestyle of that douche.

In fact he is even a bigger threat.

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22 minutes ago, velu said:

 

korean society is far more money minded  .. my korean colleague told that he will get married only buying a home which will cost  10/15 years of his salary 

byt he time he amrries , he will be above 40 and the women will also be close to 40 .. reason why they are seeing population decline

Poor guy can't expect his wife's dad to cough up a big fat dowry...:roti:

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12 minutes ago, beetle said:

Poor guy can't expect his wife's dad to cough up a big fat dowry...:roti:

only guys who are earning a lot get big fat dowry.  have you seen any unemployed getting big fat dowry?  parents also want guys with big paycheck to their daughters and for that they give that big fat dowry.

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14 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

only guys who are earning a lot get big fat dowry.  have you seen any unemployed getting big fat dowry?  parents also want guys with big paycheck to their daughters and for that they give that big fat dowry.

Arey bhai...I saw a video on u tube that day.

Useless banda....dowry mein bike lee par chalana nahi aata tha. 

 

Parents of girls are stupid. Giving away money to such guys with no guarantee of happiness. Instead they should give their daughters the money as inheritance like they give boys....

 

Aise gadhon se shaadi karne se achcha hai.....beti ko shaan se apne ghar mein rakho . Kamaegi ,khilayegi aur seva bhi karegi ....:beer:

Shaadi is not necessary for having kids any longer.

Ekta kapoor,tushar kapoor and karan johar have changed the rules of the game.

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Singh bling said:

It is not a question of men or women want kids or not.  They are just saying a baby cannot give consent to come in world so no human should have babies

there wont be any humans left then or would not have been.

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2 minutes ago, beetle said:

Arey bhai...I saw a video on u tube that day.

Useless banda....dowry mein bike lee par chalana nahi aata tha.

bike is not big fat dowry. bike is like cycle these days.  

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30 minutes ago, beetle said:

Interesting video.

Some ****ed up reasoning for having children and adoption . What is interesting is the comments and how many people do not want to have kids.

 

 

Yeah right, facked up reason for the inspiration for adoption is to have a life insurance jo budhape ki lathi banega, zindagi bhar ehsaanmand rahega. WTF! And that too based on a movie story! :hehe:

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On 2/5/2019 at 12:36 AM, Stradlater said:

It's natural really. It's inherent in human beings and other animals/organisms to maximize their survival potential by perpetuating their genes to next generation which in our case is through sexual reproduction.

It has been etched in our DNA due to the millions of years of evolution.

Not having babies is as unnatural as it can get. 

Actually no, there is nothing unnatural in not wanting kids. Its not majoritarian view, but psychological journals show, that human beings typically bounce around 25-30% not wanting kids of their own ( there are significant # of us for eg, who will have kids if their siblings do not want kids/are gay/dont have siblings but will be happy to not have kids if their siblings have children and they are content with being the uncle/aunts). 

 

What is unnatural, is for people to abandon their kids/give them away for adoption after birth, since birthing process is a proven process of chemically forming love-bonds between parents and the infants. 
For eg, when you 'feel in love', its oxytocin being released in your brain. Our bodies have evolutionary trigger-points for oxytocin dumping in the brain. For men, its a simple act of a baby wrapping its hands around our fingers. For women, the physical sensation of being suckled while lactating produces oxytocin. They get an 'atomic bomb' dosage of oxytocin when the cervix dialates. This is why women can be in excruciating pain during delivery for 12 hours and not wanna kill their baby first thing after its out. All this makes the act of giving up one's kid an unnatural act. But not having/wanting kids - its a pretty prevalent strong undercurrent in humanity. 

Ofourse, most of the 'i dont want kids' crowd end up having them anyways, because they still like sex and having sex = getting pregnant eventually is a common theme. Then oxytocin kicks in and you are a parent. 

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On 2/5/2019 at 3:13 PM, beetle said:

Shaadi is not necessary for having kids any longer.

Ekta kapoor,tushar kapoor and karan johar have changed the rules of the game

Since when bollywood is role model for common indians? Divorces , having more than one wife , marrying old men were quite common from ages in Bollywood but still that is not acceptable in indian society

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On 2/5/2019 at 2:25 PM, beetle said:

This will probably become a problem in the long run but right now the obsession with having kids is a bigger problem in countries like India.

Another myth . Barring UP MP Bihar and cow belt most of india now have 2 or less than 2 tfr which is similar to many European nations. So it is people from hindi speaking belt who reduce to need tfr. The rest are fine

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3 hours ago, Singh bling said:

Another myth . Barring UP MP Bihar and cow belt most of india now have 2 or less than 2 tfr which is similar to many European nations. So it is people from hindi speaking belt who reduce to need tfr. The rest are fine

Its an India problem. Saying its UP-Bihar problem is basically saying 'its not my problem, so i don't care'...why stop there ? UP-Biharis can say 'its gao-wallah problem, we city-folks are fine' and continue to pass the buck. 

We as a society and species are facing three choices very soon:

 

1. Reduce our population significantly ( ie, not holding pattern, but go back to 1900 population levels- for India it means nearly 5 fold reduction) if we want to persue the western life-style of 'gaari, banglaa, vacation, beaches' for everyone

 

2. Get into a holding pattern and live like the third world, where we can sustain ourselves hand-to-mouth with basic ammenities

 

3. Go about the way we do and have severe to extreme class difference happening along with completely screwing up the planet. 

 

No other option exists, barring some miracle tech showing up. 

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3 hours ago, Singh bling said:

Since when bollywood is role model for common indians? Divorces , having more than one wife , marrying old men were quite common from ages in Bollywood but still that is not acceptable in indian society

It is becomming more acceptable. At end of the day, you don't need marriage to stick together and make a family. Yes, the kids need mom and dad together to have a healthy, balanced life but mom and dad need to be together and if they dont need a piece of paper and a super-expensive fancy ceremony to declare to the world that they are together (shaadi), then its fine. 

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3 hours ago, Singh bling said:

Since when bollywood is role model for common indians? Divorces , having more than one wife , marrying old men were quite common from ages in Bollywood but still that is not acceptable in indian society

This is not about bollywood any longer.

It is about being giving the opportunity of not following the society norms just to tick the boxes.

 

There are so many people who marry only because of pressure from family,being forced to live a family life they don't want to live. Both genders.

 

Men being forced to take on responsibility they don't want to take because the parents have to see the grandchild.

 

Women being forced to marry and suffer an alien family when they want to live a free life. Being forced to have children that they have to care for a long long time.

 

Mothers having to suffer a daughter in law who wants to share her son ,just for a grand child.

 

Woman having to suffer a mother in law just because she wants a child.

 

What these bollywood guys have done is give freedom to all these people .

 

The only roadblock is the govt new law on surrogacy( absolutely necessary to prevent misuse ).

But people will bypass that by involving relatives and friends.

 

You will see strange things happening.

 

There has already been a case( in India) of a mother carrying a child for her daughter who could not do so because of medical reasons.

Another  case where a mother's uterus was transplanted into daughter who had to have a hysterectomy at a young age.

 

These things that involve children are adopted so easily by our society.

Remember how well they adopted the technology to get babies of the required gender.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Reduce our population significantly ( ie, not holding pattern, but go back to 1900 population levels- for India it means nearly 5 fold reduction) if we want to persue the western life-style of 'gaari, banglaa, vacation, beaches' for everyone

Is there any humane way to reduce population ? Medical science is making people live longer and longer but they are hardly making them live youthful life as a result dependent population is increasing. Forget about India even Japan and China are unable to reduce population. Their aging population is increasing while young working population is declining. Reducing birth rate cuts down working population which puts severe pressure on economy . Even China has to reverse 1 child norm despite no reduction in population.

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11 hours ago, beetle said:

This is not about bollywood any longer.

It is about being giving the opportunity of not following the society norms just to tick the box

A society is very cruel place either follow the norms or live like an outcast.

 

11 hours ago, beetle said:

There are so many people who marry only because of pressure from family,being forced to live a family life they don't want to live. Both genders.

This is only one side of story. Parents pressure their children to marry because they know their chances of finding best mate is early . Most youngsters these days just don't want to live in reality. They keep delaying their marriage but still want dream partners. Women want rich handsome educated men with big salary . Men wants young beautiful educated women. Indians these days have extremely . I have all examples in family . One of my cousin had truck load of proposals but she rejected. She started looking from 30s but at that time all her dream men were gone . result she is now in mid 40s unmarried depressed 

 

11 hours ago, beetle said:

What these bollywood guys have done is give freedom to all these people .

 

The only roadblock is the govt new law on surrogacy( absolutely necessary to prevent misuse ).

But people will bypass that by involving relatives and friends.

Lol just like Ambani is role model for all? Surrogacy is extremely expensive. Moreover it is also oppressive. Feminine all over world want to ban prostitution but surrogacy is acceptable. If a man wants a good time with woman for 30 minutes for which he pays , he is oppressing her. but someone pay a woman to carry child for 9 months then its ok. 

 

11 hours ago, beetle said:

There has already been a case( in India) of a mother carrying a child for her daughter who could not do so because of medical reasons.

Another  case where a mother's uterus was transplanted into daughter who had to have a hysterectomy at a young age.

There is case of 90 plus man becoming father . These are exceptions. There were always exception and there always will be they cannot become norm of society

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40 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

A society is very cruel place either follow the norms or live like an outcast.

 

This is only one side of story. Parents pressure their children to marry because they know their chances of finding best mate is early . Most youngsters these days just don't want to live in reality. They keep delaying their marriage but still want dream partners. Women want rich handsome educated men with big salary . Men wants young beautiful educated women. Indians these days have extremely . I have all examples in family . One of my cousin had truck load of proposals but she rejected. She started looking from 30s but at that time all her dream men were gone . result she is now in mid 40s unmarried depressed 

 

Lol just like Ambani is role model for all? Surrogacy is extremely expensive. Moreover it is also oppressive. Feminine all over world want to ban prostitution but surrogacy is acceptable. If a man wants a good time with woman for 30 minutes for which he pays , he is oppressing her. but someone pay a woman to carry child for 9 months then its ok. 

 

There is case of 90 plus man becoming father . These are exceptions. There were always exception and there always will be they cannot become norm of society

Such a society that makes one an outcast is a cruel society that deserves little respect.

People in cities don't care about society .

The society in urban areas is less caring of what people do with their lives.

 

As for people marrying late or being extra picky...that is a different issue altogether.

Such people have existed in all times...some people just are not realistic.

This thread in not about unrealistic picky people. It is about people who do not want to marry or do not want conventional marriage.

 

There are people who do not need marriage.

People who do not want kids .

Gays and lesbians who do not want conventional hetero marriages.

Asexuals who do not want intimacy.

All these people are forced into marriages and spoil the lives of their partners....just for the sake of keeping family happy or following society rules.

 

Agree on the ban on commercial surrogacy completely . It is the worst form of exploitation .

But people are free to help out family members and friends by carrying the baby for them .

Since the cases of common people do not come into public domain...I can only cite the example of Shahrukh Khan. His sister is believed to have been a surrogate for their third child.

 

This will  catch on faster in our society because ..

1) It has no stigma of 'sex out side marriage ' . When no sex is involved,everything is hunky dory with society.

2) The extreme obsession with children in our society. People would rather have grandchildren through surrogacy than not have grandchildren.

 

Yes....surrogacy is costly but not so costly if it is done amongst family and friends .

Even fertility treatments are costly....but people find the resources because it is important to them.

 

90 year old guys or 50 year old woman having babies happened in the past too. 

But people having babies through surrogacy is new. People choosing to be single parent through surrogacy is new. This has given single people a chance to become parents without marriage ...with social approval.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Singh bling said:

Is there any humane way to reduce population ? Medical science is making people live longer and longer but they are hardly making them live youthful life as a result dependent population is increasing. Forget about India even Japan and China are unable to reduce population. Their aging population is increasing while young working population is declining. Reducing birth rate cuts down working population which puts severe pressure on economy . Even China has to reverse 1 child norm despite no reduction in population.

Seriously ?! Do you travel a lot ? If you do, you' see 65-70 year olds fit enough to travel like most folks...Ie, not backpack or hike macchu picchu but these old folks getting off planes, hailing taxis, going to hotels, walking around the historic parts of the cities etc. 
How many 65-70 year olds were fit enough to do that 100 years ago ? like less than 1/100th of them. 

Medical science *is* making it easier and easier to have youthful lives later and later. Obviously it takes humongous time to make a big difference because medical science cannot override genetics or nutrition in just a few generations. but it is making a difference. 


Anyways, the humane way to reduce population is something that we can only speculate on. China thought 1 child policy would work but then realized its a quick way to demographic doom. Ideally 2 kids per family for most and having 70-80% people producing kids *should* produce a holding pattern for population ( assuming that some people WILL have 3 or more kids). Maybe some form of swinging back and forth between 1 child policy, 2 child-dominant households and incremental usage of labor-saving automated services is a way. But the problem is, as the western world is slowly starting to realize, too much replacement of human labor, connection with the biological and ecological processes can have adverse effects on human psychology and mental well being. 

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9 hours ago, Singh bling said:

A society is very cruel place either follow the norms or live like an outcast.

 

This is only one side of story. Parents pressure their children to marry because they know their chances of finding best mate is early . Most youngsters these days just don't want to live in reality. They keep delaying their marriage but still want dream partners. Women want rich handsome educated men with big salary . Men wants young beautiful educated women. Indians these days have extremely . I have all examples in family . One of my cousin had truck load of proposals but she rejected. She started looking from 30s but at that time all her dream men were gone . result she is now in mid 40s unmarried depressed 

 

Lol just like Ambani is role model for all? Surrogacy is extremely expensive. Moreover it is also oppressive. Feminine all over world want to ban prostitution but surrogacy is acceptable. If a man wants a good time with woman for 30 minutes for which he pays , he is oppressing her. but someone pay a woman to carry child for 9 months then its ok. 

 

There is case of 90 plus man becoming father . These are exceptions. There were always exception and there always will be they cannot become norm of society

Did you just pull the bolded part out of your rear-end ? The overwhelming majority of feminists support legalization of prostitution and legalizing it simply has so many positives, its hard to justify criminalizing it even more than hard drugs. 

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On 2/5/2019 at 2:31 PM, velu said:

 

korean society is far more money minded  .. my korean colleague told that he will get married only buying a home which will cost  10/15 years of his salary 

byt he time he amrries , he will be above 40 and the women will also be close to 40 .. reason why they are seeing population decline

Impotency is on rise and we see even people aged below 30 cannot produce even one kid.  Lots of childless couples nowadays. No wonder the fertility centres are blooming across the country. Waiting till 40 and producing kid will be very tough especially for impotent ones even after taking treatment. Probably need to send them to basic course on *ing if there is any .

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