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We got to see someone great hitting by Pandya in this series. Also liked how he faced Boult in the last two games. I often wondered if Ind would have got 280+, if Pandya had come in earlier and allowed to settle down .... Currently, he lacks the experience of playing long innings like Rohit and Dhawan but in terms of raw batting talent, he appears to be in that league and someone who can win a game with the bat on his own. He has all types of shots and plays both pace and spin well (and will get even better with time)

 

Discuss in terms of raw batting talent, if Hardik right up there with Rohit and Dhawan.   

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3 minutes ago, velu said:

 

you hype only golt players..

zen hype only gujju players..

 

i hype pan-indian players :dontknow:

I support Pandya brothers, Pujara and Bumrah .... do not hype Jadeja, Pathiv, Axar, Udankat, Hooda, etc. :dontknow:

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10 minutes ago, velu said:

 

you hype only golt players..

zen hype only gujju players..

 

i hype pan-indian players :dontknow:

Ishant Sharma,Rishabh Pant, Jason Holder, Prithwi Shaw,Steve Smith, Joe Root,Ross Taylor,Aiden Makram etc etc etc?

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18 minutes ago, maniac said:

You mean the ones wearing yellow jersey

 

16 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

   Velu Anna , Such bolo ..   CSK ...

 

henrich klassen , mohammed shahzad , guptill , willaimson , russell , buttler , shaw , hardik , etc etc

even i support rohit when the ball is not swining :dontknow:

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28 minutes ago, maniac said:

Another Pandya thread :wall:

 

Zen is overtaking me and @velu :giggle:

After a long time, I have followed cricket in detail. Saw Gill, Shankar, Rayudu, and Pandya .... Pandya when he bats looks as good as Rohit and Dhawan, who seem to have the similar flaws as Pandya too 

 

So far the youngsters (25 years or less) that have impressed me with their batting skills -> Shaw, Pant and Pandya .... Gill looks like a work in progress atm but will get better if he gets more opportunities 

 

 

 

 

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I was a big advocate for batting Pandya at #5 - 15 months ago.  Reality is that Dhoni is still in the XI, and our #4 batsman is not yet settled - at that point, match practice for those 2 batsmen is more critical to our WC chances than Pandya batting earlier. Its a bit too late now.   Definitely Pandya has enough skill to potentially evolve into a handy batsman at #5.  He's not just a slogger, he's played enough cover drives and straight drives against top bowlers to demonstrate that.  

 

Problem is that a substantial chunk of posters here have him pigeon-holed as a borderline 3rd seamer who can bat a bit.  And they are unable to see anything beyond that - reality doesn't matter to these folks.  

 

Ideally, I would have wanted to see Dhoni retired 12 months ago, and Hardik Pandya and Rishabh Pant given a proper run at #5 and #6, with a Deepak Hooda/Washington Sundar/Krunal Pandya/K Goutham type guy at #7, i.e. an alternative to Jadhav who was an upgrade on the bowling front, while still being a handy lower order bat.   Heck I would have wanted to occasionally throw Pant in the opening slot on flatter tracks, to see whether he can be our game-breaker like up top like QdK.  

 

To me, India's best ODI XI has Hardik Pandya at no lower than #6, with an allrounder who can bat competently at #7, with Rishabh Pant either at the top of the order, or somewhere in the lower middle order.  

 

Pick 4 bowlers from (Bumrah, Bhuvi, Shami, Chahal, Kuldeep) depending on opponent match-up and conditions, and that team will increase our ODI winning probabilities even higher than what it is today.  

 

But its a bit too late to go to this combination for the WC - Dhoni is clinging on to the gloves, and its too late to throw in a Sundar/Krunal in ODIs.  Which is a shame really.  Given the number of times Jadhav was injured, we really should have given Sundar/Krunal/Goutham a bit of a run instead of Sir Rajput bwoy.

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To add - its unfortunate that 2 of our youngest and most promising prospects both got serious ankle injuries when they were on the cusp of getting a chance to solidify their slots in the squad, if not the team.  

 

Sundar has been highly touted for his potential with bat and ball.  If we had a strong batsman at #4, followed by Rishabh and Pandya at 5 and 6, I think the only missing link stopping our team from being an unstoppable juggernaut in ODIs is a solid bowling allrounder who can be relied on to give you 8+ overs consistently, and can bat competently.  And no Jadeja isn't that guy in ODIs.  I don't think Krunal's bowling is strong enough to be that guy either.  

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16 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Problem is that a substantial chunk of posters here have him pigeon-holed as a borderline 3rd seamer who can bat a bit.  And they are unable to see anything beyond that - reality doesn't matter to these folks. 

You hit the nail on the head .... this is also a reframing exercise 

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Nope he isn't up there with Rohit/Dhawan. But he is seriously talented, in ODIs he is as vital as top 3, Kuldeep, Bumrah. Coming at number 7 he can deliver 35/135 batting stats and that can be a game changer. If we are to win the WC he will have to play a starring role, as a finisher/enforcer and 3rd seamer.

 

@zen I am not exaggerating but he gives me Klusener vibes. Similar bowling, better in the field and enough tools to get his batting to the level of Zulu. He is a spin killer unlike the great Saffer and has age/talent/athleticism to improve against quicks and other departments. 20 years later, same WC venue, will we see the emergence of another ATG ODI A/R? 

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19 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Nope he isn't up there with Rohit/Dhawan. But he is seriously talented, in ODIs he is as vital as top 3, Kuldeep, Bumrah. Coming at number 7 he can deliver 35/135 batting stats and that can be a game changer. If we are to win the WC he will have to play a starring role, as a finisher/enforcer and 3rd seamer.

 

@zen I am not exaggerating but he gives me Klusener vibes. Similar bowling, better in the field and enough tools to get his batting to the level of Zulu. He is a spin killer unlike the great Saffer and has age/talent/athleticism to improve against quicks. 20 years later, same WC venue, will we see the emergence of another ATG ODI A/R? 

His power hitting at times also reminds me of a young this, who was my favorite player at one point:

 

 

 

Below 6 hitting vs leg spinners:

 

 

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After 2019 WC this should be our ODI top 7 in WI:

Rohit (c)

Shaw

Kohli 

Gill

Pant (wk)

Iyer...FTB but chalta hai since 2023 will be held in India

Hardik Pandya

 

Exact order can be interchanged.....

 

Planning for next WC should start right after this edition meaning everyone above age 33 should be asked to call a PC and announce retirement from ODI...that includes Dhawan even if he has a MoS performance in the WC. And definitely the likes of Dhoni, DK, Jadhav, Biryani must be dropped permanently. 

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1 hour ago, zen said:

You hit the nail on the head .... this is also a reframing exercise 

For that exercise to work, you have to first get yourself reframed away from "bias gujju rooting for gujju lukdya".  :p:

 

On a tangential half-serious note, I have always referred Pandya as Gujju Lukdya,  but he's starting to fill out a bit.  Its a positive, you need to have proper strong back and legs if you want to be regularly bowling pace, but I hope he's getting competent professional guidance in this.  As Michael Holding says all the time, bowling muscles are different from T-shirt muscles, and you have to be limber and flexible.  

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Pandya is tailor made for T20 and worth his weight in gold for ODIs. I think most of us don’t disagree on that and are on the same page here . No irrational hate. However he is not good enough to bat at no.6 in tests,at best a no.7 and not good enough to be your frontline 3rd seamer in tests. This ruins the balance. Tests is for specialists unless you are a special once in a generational talent like the fab 4 allrounders in the 80s or Kallis.

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10 minutes ago, maniac said:

Pandya is tailor made for T20 and worth his weight in gold for ODIs. I think most of us don’t disagree on that and are on the same page here . No irrational hate. However he is not good enough to bat at no.6 in tests,at best a no.7 and not good enough to be your frontline 3rd seamer in tests. This ruins the balance. Tests is for specialists unless you are a special once in a generational talent like the fab 4 allrounders in the 80s or Kallis.

This thread is on his LOI batting .... For test, there is an article on it:

 

 

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16 minutes ago, maniac said:

Pandya is tailor made for T20 and worth his weight in gold for ODIs. I think most of us don’t disagree on that and are on the same page here . No irrational hate. However he is not good enough to bat at no.6 in tests,at best a no.7 and not good enough to be your frontline 3rd seamer in tests. This ruins the balance. Tests is for specialists unless you are a special once in a generational talent like the fab 4 allrounders in the 80s or Kallis.

Pandya could have a very good test career if he was English.

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5 hours ago, sandeep said:

I was a big advocate for batting Pandya at #5 - 15 months ago.  Reality is that Dhoni is still in the XI, and our #4 batsman is not yet settled - at that point, match practice for those 2 batsmen is more critical to our WC chances than Pandya batting earlier. Its a bit too late now.   Definitely Pandya has enough skill to potentially evolve into a handy batsman at #5.  He's not just a slogger, he's played enough cover drives and straight drives against top bowlers to demonstrate that.  

 

Problem is that a substantial chunk of posters here have him pigeon-holed as a borderline 3rd seamer who can bat a bit.  And they are unable to see anything beyond that - reality doesn't matter to these folks.  

 

Ideally, I would have wanted to see Dhoni retired 12 months ago, and Hardik Pandya and Rishabh Pant given a proper run at #5 and #6, with a Deepak Hooda/Washington Sundar/Krunal Pandya/K Goutham type guy at #7, i.e. an alternative to Jadhav who was an upgrade on the bowling front, while still being a handy lower order bat.   Heck I would have wanted to occasionally throw Pant in the opening slot on flatter tracks, to see whether he can be our game-breaker like up top like QdK.  

 

To me, India's best ODI XI has Hardik Pandya at no lower than #6, with an allrounder who can bat competently at #7, with Rishabh Pant either at the top of the order, or somewhere in the lower middle order.  

 

Pick 4 bowlers from (Bumrah, Bhuvi, Shami, Chahal, Kuldeep) depending on opponent match-up and conditions, and that team will increase our ODI winning probabilities even higher than what it is today.  

 

But its a bit too late to go to this combination for the WC - Dhoni is clinging on to the gloves, and its too late to throw in a Sundar/Krunal in ODIs.  Which is a shame really.  Given the number of times Jadhav was injured, we really should have given Sundar/Krunal/Goutham a bit of a run instead of Sir Rajput bwoy.

Dhoni the batsman does create a huge imbalance for the team. Hopefully 2019 WC is the end of his international career.

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10 hours ago, velu said:

as good as anyone else when comes to slogging spinners ..

decent hitter vs pace , but need to see how he fares vs genuine pace bowlers

He had belted Kumara who was hitting 90 mph in SL test match he scored 100.

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9 hours ago, mishra said:

he is placed after Rayudhu Dhoni and DK in batting order, just ahead of Bhuvi or Jadeja.

Thats is sum total of his raw batting talent

and when he batted ahead of Dhoni, he got MOS.

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10 hours ago, velu said:

as good as anyone else when comes to slogging spinners ..

decent hitter vs pace , but need to see how he fares vs genuine pace bowlers

 

Pandya the NZ pacers mercilessly and all were  bowling around 140 k.

 

Saw him hit Kumara bowling 145 k in SL.

 

Many other such instances.

 

 

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Pandya had great opportunity to just play out Boult's last over and then make merry in the 4th ODI. That would have really set him apart.

 

The shot he got out to was ugly. It was a leg side bouncer that he could have left. This is where his temperament will have to improve for him to be considered a better player than he is right now.

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Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SRDescending 100 50 0 4s 6s  
HH Pandya 3 2 0 61 45 30.50 42 145.23 0 0 0 6 5 investigate this query
KM Jadhav 6 4 2 118 61* 59.00 119 99.15 0 1 0 13 1 investigate this query
KD Karthik 5 4 2 75 38* 37.50 76 98.68 0 0 1 7 1 investigate this query
V Kohli 6 6 0 301 104 50.16 360 83.61 1 1 0 22 3 investigate this query
RG Sharma 8 8 0 354 133 44.25 434 81.56 1 2 0 26 13 investigate this query
MS Dhoni 6 5 3 242 87* 121.00 303 79.86 0 3 0 14 4 investigate this query
S Dhawan 8 8 1 243 75* 34.71 305 79.67 0 2 1 28 1 investigate this query
AT Rayudu 7 7 2 214 90 42.80 269 79.55 0 1 2 20 6

 

SRs this year. Now if Pandya can get some big scores, he could jump up to #2 in LOIs (since Rohit and Dhawan are relatively slow) after Kohli, who is the best most conditions batsman in the team 

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2 minutes ago, mishra said:

^ Afridi too had a great SR. Its about how dependable a batsman is

He is playing the role assigned to him. If he bats higher, he will get big scores as well .... Right now, he is in the Rohit-Dhawan bracket and on his way to becoming #2 LOI batsman for Ind  :dance:

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44 minutes ago, zen said:

He is playing the role assigned to him. If he bats higher, he will get big scores as well .... Right now, he is in the Rohit-Dhawan bracket and on his way to becoming #2 LOI batsman for Ind  :dance:

You say Number 6-7 role is to be bits and pieces player, and then compare him to Kapil paaji :adore:

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6 minutes ago, mishra said:

You say Number 6-7 role is to be bits and pieces player, and then compare him to Kapil paaji :adore:

Why would I care about comparing him with Kapil Dev, who only avgs 24 in ODIs? If there is a topic on it, I will give my 2 cents :hysterical:

 

 

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Chk, bhuvi scored 32 of 30.

And guess what, looking at scorecard, i guessed it was India and D/N game

 

And then he has to do well by standing on one leg :lol:

 

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Just now, zen said:

Why would I care about comparing him with Kapil Dev, who only avgs 24 in ODIs? If there is a topic on it, I will give my 2 cents :hysterical:

 

 

And then he has to do well by standing on one leg :lol:

 

Kapil Dev played the greatest ODI  innings ever. Ravindra Jadeja averages more than a lot of 80s batsmen too, is he better?

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Just now, maniac said:

Kapil Dev played the greatest ODI  innings ever. Ravindra Jadeja averages more than a lot of 80s batsmen too, is he better?

If Pandya would have played it, you will say it is fluke .... and that he did not stand on one leg when he played that :lol:

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Just now, zen said:

If Pandya would have played it, you will say it is fluke .... and that he did not stand on one leg when he played that :lol:

Yes because Pandya has not smacked bowling attacks like the WI bowling lineups and Bob Willis  etc. 

 

Pandya is just a better version of Phehlukwayo Ashraf,Mitch Marsh  and Neesham at the moment. He is not even at Stokes level yet

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