Pandya's raw batting talent

[zen]

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[Gollum]

Nope he isn't up there with Rohit/Dhawan. But he is seriously talented, in ODIs he is as vital as top 3, Kuldeep, Bumrah. Coming at number 7 he can deliver 35/135 batting stats and that can be a game changer. If we are to win the WC he will have to play a starring role, as a finisher/enforcer and 3rd seamer.

 

@zen I am not exaggerating but he gives me Klusener vibes. Similar bowling, better in the field and enough tools to get his batting to the level of Zulu. He is a spin killer unlike the great Saffer and has age/talent/athleticism to improve against quicks and other departments. 20 years later, same WC venue, will we see the emergence of another ATG ODI A/R? 

Edited February 4, 2019 by Gollum

[zen]

19 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Nope he isn't up there with Rohit/Dhawan. But he is seriously talented, in ODIs he is as vital as top 3, Kuldeep, Bumrah. Coming at number 7 he can deliver 35/135 batting stats and that can be a game changer. If we are to win the WC he will have to play a starring role, as a finisher/enforcer and 3rd seamer.

 

@zen I am not exaggerating but he gives me Klusener vibes. Similar bowling, better in the field and enough tools to get his batting to the level of Zulu. He is a spin killer unlike the great Saffer and has age/talent/athleticism to improve against quicks. 20 years later, same WC venue, will we see the emergence of another ATG ODI A/R? 

His power hitting at times also reminds me of a young this, who was my favorite player at one point:

 

 

 

Below 6 hitting vs leg spinners:

 

 

Edited February 4, 2019 by zen

[Nikola]

Should try to bat at #5 after worldcup. If he starts finishing like msd used to do in old days then that will be great for us.

[Gollum]

After 2019 WC this should be our ODI top 7 in WI:

Rohit (c)

Shaw

Kohli 

Gill

Pant (wk)

Iyer...FTB but chalta hai since 2023 will be held in India

Hardik Pandya

 

Exact order can be interchanged.....

 

Planning for next WC should start right after this edition meaning everyone above age 33 should be asked to call a PC and announce retirement from ODI...that includes Dhawan even if he has a MoS performance in the WC. And definitely the likes of Dhoni, DK, Jadhav, Biryani must be dropped permanently. 

Edited February 4, 2019 by Gollum

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, zen said:

You hit the nail on the head .... this is also a reframing exercise 

For that exercise to work, you have to first get yourself reframed away from "bias gujju rooting for gujju lukdya".  

 

On a tangential half-serious note, I have always referred Pandya as Gujju Lukdya,  but he's starting to fill out a bit.  Its a positive, you need to have proper strong back and legs if you want to be regularly bowling pace, but I hope he's getting competent professional guidance in this.  As Michael Holding says all the time, bowling muscles are different from T-shirt muscles, and you have to be limber and flexible.  

[maniac]

Pandya is tailor made for T20 and worth his weight in gold for ODIs. I think most of us don’t disagree on that and are on the same page here . No irrational hate. However he is not good enough to bat at no.6 in tests,at best a no.7 and not good enough to be your frontline 3rd seamer in tests. This ruins the balance. Tests is for specialists unless you are a special once in a generational talent like the fab 4 allrounders in the 80s or Kallis.

[zen]

10 minutes ago, maniac said:

Pandya is tailor made for T20 and worth his weight in gold for ODIs. I think most of us don’t disagree on that and are on the same page here . No irrational hate. However he is not good enough to bat at no.6 in tests,at best a no.7 and not good enough to be your frontline 3rd seamer in tests. This ruins the balance. Tests is for specialists unless you are a special once in a generational talent like the fab 4 allrounders in the 80s or Kallis.

This thread is on his LOI batting .... For test, there is an article on it:

 

 

[mishra]

16 minutes ago, maniac said:

Pandya is tailor made for T20 and worth his weight in gold for ODIs. I think most of us don’t disagree on that and are on the same page here . No irrational hate. However he is not good enough to bat at no.6 in tests,at best a no.7 and not good enough to be your frontline 3rd seamer in tests. This ruins the balance. Tests is for specialists unless you are a special once in a generational talent like the fab 4 allrounders in the 80s or Kallis.

Pandya could have a very good test career if he was English.

[sandeep]

17 minutes ago, maniac said:

I think most of us don’t disagree on that and are on the same page here

There area a few on ICF who think he shouldn't be anywhere near ODI team...

[flamy]

Pandya needs to work on his temperament if he wants to make a case for batting higher up.

[GolGappe]

5 hours ago, sandeep said:

I was a big advocate for batting Pandya at #5 - 15 months ago.  Reality is that Dhoni is still in the XI, and our #4 batsman is not yet settled - at that point, match practice for those 2 batsmen is more critical to our WC chances than Pandya batting earlier. Its a bit too late now.   Definitely Pandya has enough skill to potentially evolve into a handy batsman at #5.  He's not just a slogger, he's played enough cover drives and straight drives against top bowlers to demonstrate that.  

 

Problem is that a substantial chunk of posters here have him pigeon-holed as a borderline 3rd seamer who can bat a bit.  And they are unable to see anything beyond that - reality doesn't matter to these folks.  

 

Ideally, I would have wanted to see Dhoni retired 12 months ago, and Hardik Pandya and Rishabh Pant given a proper run at #5 and #6, with a Deepak Hooda/Washington Sundar/Krunal Pandya/K Goutham type guy at #7, i.e. an alternative to Jadhav who was an upgrade on the bowling front, while still being a handy lower order bat.   Heck I would have wanted to occasionally throw Pant in the opening slot on flatter tracks, to see whether he can be our game-breaker like up top like QdK.  

 

To me, India's best ODI XI has Hardik Pandya at no lower than #6, with an allrounder who can bat competently at #7, with Rishabh Pant either at the top of the order, or somewhere in the lower middle order.  

 

Pick 4 bowlers from (Bumrah, Bhuvi, Shami, Chahal, Kuldeep) depending on opponent match-up and conditions, and that team will increase our ODI winning probabilities even higher than what it is today.  

 

But its a bit too late to go to this combination for the WC - Dhoni is clinging on to the gloves, and its too late to throw in a Sundar/Krunal in ODIs.  Which is a shame really.  Given the number of times Jadhav was injured, we really should have given Sundar/Krunal/Goutham a bit of a run instead of Sir Rajput bwoy.

Dhoni the batsman does create a huge imbalance for the team. Hopefully 2019 WC is the end of his international career.

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, velu said:

as good as anyone else when comes to slogging spinners ..

decent hitter vs pace , but need to see how he fares vs genuine pace bowlers

He had belted Kumara who was hitting 90 mph in SL test match he scored 100.

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, mishra said:

he is placed after Rayudhu Dhoni and DK in batting order, just ahead of Bhuvi or Jadeja.

Thats is sum total of his raw batting talent

and when he batted ahead of Dhoni, he got MOS.

[express bowling]

10 hours ago, velu said:

as good as anyone else when comes to slogging spinners ..

decent hitter vs pace , but need to see how he fares vs genuine pace bowlers

 

Pandya the NZ pacers mercilessly and all were  bowling around 140 k.

 

Saw him hit Kumara bowling 145 k in SL.

 

Many other such instances.

 

 

Edited February 5, 2019 by express bowling

[flamy]

Pandya had great opportunity to just play out Boult's last over and then make merry in the 4th ODI. That would have really set him apart.

 

The shot he got out to was ugly. It was a leg side bouncer that he could have left. This is where his temperament will have to improve for him to be considered a better player than he is right now.

[zen]

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Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	3	2	0	61	45	30.50	42	145.23	0	0	0	6	5
KM Jadhav	6	4	2	118	61*	59.00	119	99.15	0	1	0	13	1
KD Karthik	5	4	2	75	38*	37.50	76	98.68	0	0	1	7	1
V Kohli	6	6	0	301	104	50.16	360	83.61	1	1	0	22	3
RG Sharma	8	8	0	354	133	44.25	434	81.56	1	2	0	26	13
MS Dhoni	6	5	3	242	87*	121.00	303	79.86	0	3	0	14	4
S Dhawan	8	8	1	243	75*	34.71	305	79.67	0	2	1	28	1
AT Rayudu	7	7	2	214	90	42.80	269	79.55	0	1	2	20	6

 

SRs this year. Now if Pandya can get some big scores, he could jump up to #2 in LOIs (since Rohit and Dhawan are relatively slow) after Kohli, who is the best most conditions batsman in the team 

Edited February 5, 2019 by zen

[mishra]

^ Afridi too had a great SR. Its about how dependable a batsman is

[zen]

2 minutes ago, mishra said:

^ Afridi too had a great SR. Its about how dependable a batsman is

He is playing the role assigned to him. If he bats higher, he will get big scores as well .... Right now, he is in the Rohit-Dhawan bracket and on his way to becoming #2 LOI batsman for Ind  

Edited February 5, 2019 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, mishra said:

^ Afridi too had a great SR. Its about how dependable a batsman is

at 7 u need an impact player and no can be dependable at 7 as u have to start hitting from ball-1 most days