Ravindra Jadeja should be NOWHERE near Team India's 2019 World Cup squad!

[SecondSlip]

Ravindra Jadeja in ODI cricket from January 1, 2015 - Present: 

BATTING STATISTICS

Innings: 23 

Batting Average: 18.68
Batting Strike Rate: 87.42

Half Centuries: 0 

BOWLING STATISTICS
Innings: 37 
Wickets: 37 
Bowling Average: 46.67 
Bowling Strike Rate: 54.3 

As you can see above, Ravindra Jadeja has been horrendous with both bat and ball in the past 4 years. He has failed very badly in both departments and is slowly but surely becoming a specialist fielder in ODI cricket. The definition of "bits and pieces cricketer" is fitting in perfectly with Jadeja's case. It will be a massive blunder if this man is on that plane to England this summer. We already made the mistake 2 years ago during the Champions Trophy, I really hope we don't repeat it again.

SOURCE: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=2;spanmin1=01+jan+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

[bowl_out]

If we play Rayudu in the XI, then we need Jadeja in the squad to be Rayudu's back up fielder almost all the time

[maniac]

38 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

If we play Rayudu in the XI, then we need Jadeja in the squad to be Rayudu's back up fielder almost all the time

Will be a waste of an already tight 15 man squad if we have to carry his ass as a specialist fielder.

 

12 players pick themselves

 

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Rayudu

Dhoni

Jadhav

Pandya

Chahal

Kuldeep

Bumrah

Bhuvi

Shami

 

need a 4th fast bowler in England so either Umesh or Khaleel

 

that leaves with 2 spots between DK,Pant,Shankar,Jadeja and maybe Rahul as a backup opener if Dhawan’s poor form continues.

 

So no need for Jadeja

 

 

[Stradlater]

Sure he has been average in LOIs but calling Jadeja a bits n pieces player highlight the troll agenda of OP.

Bits n pieces players don't rule test cricket.

[vvvslaxman]

He is just a backup spinner. Nothing more. But to be honest if it is Asian side i would field faster bowlers.

[bowl_out]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

Will be a waste of an already tight 15 man squad if we have to carry his ass as a specialist fielder.

 

12 players pick themselves

 

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Rayudu

Dhoni

Jadhav

Pandya

Chahal

Kuldeep

Bumrah

Bhuvi

Shami

 

need a 4th fast bowler in England so either Umesh or Khaleel

 

that leaves with 2 spots between DK,Pant,Shankar,Jadeja and maybe Rahul as a backup opener if Dhawan’s poor form continues.

 

So no need for Jadeja

 

 

It was obviously a comment made in jest.

 

Anyways, Top 11 self selects 

 

Shami as back up for Bhuvi/Bumrah

DK/Pant as backup for Dhoni

Shankar as backup for Jadhav/Rayudu  (OR)  Pant as backup opener - KL has done zilch recently to warrant a recall

Jadeja as back up for Kuldeep/Chahal    (OR)  Umesh/Thakur for the fourth pacer  

 

That is all the options for now.

 

We should be good with three pacers.. Highly doubt if Umesh/Thakur will ever be used unless there are injuries.

 

 

 

[SecondSlip]

1 hour ago, Stradlater said:

Sure he has been average in LOIs but calling Jadeja a bits n pieces player highlight the troll agenda of OP.

Bits n pieces players don't rule test cricket.

Since when is the World Cup being played in test format?

[Stradlater]

12 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

Since when is the World Cup being played in test format?

You called Jadeja a bits n pieces player.

No bits n pieces player can succeed in test cricket as Jaddu did. 

Applying similar logic , Pujara is bits and pieces too. In fact he would be even worst since Jadeja at least enjoyed some success in LOIs unlike him.

[SK_IH]

Yup he is useless

[Gollum]

Not a white ball player at all, madness to carry him in a 15/16 man squad. Why didn't we try out Krunal earlier?

See @maniac this is what I was talking about. MSK hasn't been decisive, what was the need to recall Jadeja back after the CT disaster even though he did nothing in this format to show signs of change?

[Gollum]

Worst part is he is selfish and also a choker in ODIs/T20s. 

 

Great test player, potential ATG there but don't confuse formats. 

Edited February 5, 2019 by Gollum

[Clarke]

Third spinner. Don't really need him with KulCha around. Jadhav can complete his overs if the pitch is slow/spin friendly. 

[SecondSlip]

@Stradlater - As @Gollum said above, “Great test player, potential ATG there but don't confuse formats.”

 

@vvvslaxman & @Clarke - On what basis should this guy be a third spinner in the team? He averages almost 50 with the ball in the past 4 years! 

[Clarke]

6 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

@Stradlater - As @Gollum said above, “Great test player, potential ATG there but don't confuse formats.”

 

@vvvslaxman & @Clarke - On what basis should this guy be a third spinner in the team? He averages almost 50 with the ball in the past 4 years! 

Not that we play much of a third spinner, do we ? In the rare circumstance that we do, he may contribute with the bat and the field exploits are well known. 

 

Don't mistake the characterization of third spinner as someone who is a regular. I stated that generally we don't really need him with two frontline spinners.

[Nikhil_cric]

I am a fan of the guy but he just doesn't have the necessary skills required to make it to the XV. He's more valuable in tests where his pace through the air is an asset ; Especially on day 4/day 5 tracks. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Unfair to look at data from Jan 2015. He was dropped from LOIs in Jul 2017 before KulCha became the main spinners. Reason why he was dropped was the inability to take wickets.

 

Since his comeback in Asia Cup 6 months back, he’s been decent - 11 matches, 16 wickets@31, ER of 4.75, SR of 38. Obviously no way near KulCha but not the worst bowler either. Has to attack and look to pick wickets rather than being defensive. With the bat while he has no noticeable innings, his 20-odd in the Asia Cup finals and vs AFG were crucial, otherwise we would have lost. Add his fielding , best in the team, and he becomes a decent package, who when needed can be the 4th/5th bowler and an above average number 7. 

 

But should not be in WC squad of 15. Can be there as a reserve player outside the squad.

Edited February 5, 2019 by ShoonyaSifar

[sandeep]

24 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Unfair to look at data from Jan 2015. He was dropped from LOIs in Jul 2017 before KulCha became the main spinners. Reason why he was dropped was the inability to take wickets.

 

Since his comeback in Asia Cup 6 months back, he’s been decent - 11 matches, 16 wickets@31, ER of 4.75, SR of 38. Obviously no way near KulCha but not the worst bowler either. Has to attack and look to pick wickets rather than being defensive. With the bat while he has no noticeable innings, his 20-odd in the Asia Cup finals and vs AFG were crucial, otherwise we would have lost. Add his fielding , best in the team, and he becomes a decent package, who when needed can be the 4th/5th bowler and an above average number 7. 

 

But should not be in WC squad of 15. Can be there as a reserve player outside the squad.

WC is not played in the sandpits of UAE.

[ShoonyaSifar]

17 minutes ago, sandeep said:

WC is not played in the sandpits of UAE.

Do you realise stupidity of such wisecracks.

 

Let me take your argument further. WC is being played in England. So we should consider a player’s past record in England.

 

Jadeja in ODIs in England 17 matches, 281 runs@71, strike rate of 109, 27 wickets@27, ER 5.13, SR of 31

 

See?

 

 

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Do you realise stupidity of such wisecracks.

 

Let me take your argument further. WC is being played in England. So we should consider a player’s past record in England.

 

Jadeja in ODIs in England 17 matches, 281 runs@71, strike rate of 109, 27 wickets@27, ER 5.13, SR of 31

 

See?

You know what's stupid?  Complete and utter ignorance, shoonya understanding of the impact that ODI powerplay rule changes had on the viability of finger spinners in ODI cricket.  Jadeja's over-all England numbers massively benefit from his earlier record - its not just recency bias.  Its the rule change that mandates only four outfielders in the overs 10 to 40.  Because of this, not just Jadeja, almost all finger spinners' effectiveness has been reduced massively. 

 

4 outfielders mean that there is always one boundary that has to be left open, and with the minimal turn that finger spinners get after the bounce, batsmen can pre-mediate and target that zone.  This is the reason why in the most recent Champions trophy India lost a league-stage game to SL, after scoring more than 330 batting first.  Kusal Mendis repeatedly targeted Jadeja and milked him for 8+ RPO.  It was so bad that Jadeja only ended up bowling 6 overs in that match.  

 

And this has nothing to with England - in general, on tracks where the par score is usually over 300, Jadeja's bowling has been consistently targeted as the weak link.  

 

To drill down into this England numbers 

 

 

 

Link : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=2;host=1;template=results;type=bowling

 

In 2017, he averaged more than 62 runs per wicket, at an economy rate of 5.9, strike rate of 63.    His overall England numbers look really good because they are massively boosted by his performances in 2013 and 2014, the ODI game was completely different back then.  

 

Forget England, just look at his ODI performances everywhere except that Asia cup - played on tracks where par score was well-below 300, and the grip provided on those tracks meant that all spinners were more effective than they normally would be.

 

In the last 3 years, Jadeja averages 48 runs per wicket in 17 games, excluding the UAE.   Outside Asia, He's played 10 ODIs and averages 91 runs per wicket.  Just for comparison, Kedar Jadhav's bowling average with the same filters?  39 runs per wicket, with very similar economy rate.   Essentially Jadeja's bowling is reduced to the effectiveness of a part-time bowler, and his batting limitations in ODIs are extremely well-known.  His most famous contribution with the bat in the lasts 3 years in ODIs is running Hardik Pandya out in the CT final.  

 

 

Edited February 5, 2019 by sandeep

[vvvslaxman]

 he is our third choice spinner. I would keep him just for fielding. Kedhar jadhav should start an imaginary fight with Rayudu and beat him to pulp. Jadeja can walk in as a substitute fielder