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Ravindra Jadeja should be NOWHERE near Team India's 2019 World Cup squad!

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38 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

If we play Rayudu in the XI, then we need Jadeja in the squad to be Rayudu's back up fielder almost all the time

Will be a waste of an already tight 15 man squad if we have to carry his ass as a specialist fielder.

 

12 players pick themselves

 

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Rayudu

Dhoni

Jadhav

Pandya

Chahal

Kuldeep

Bumrah

Bhuvi

Shami

 

need a 4th fast bowler in England so either Umesh or Khaleel

 

that leaves with 2 spots between DK,Pant,Shankar,Jadeja and maybe Rahul as a backup opener if Dhawan’s poor form continues.

 

So no need for Jadeja

 

 

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

Will be a waste of an already tight 15 man squad if we have to carry his ass as a specialist fielder.

 

12 players pick themselves

 

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Rayudu

Dhoni

Jadhav

Pandya

Chahal

Kuldeep

Bumrah

Bhuvi

Shami

 

need a 4th fast bowler in England so either Umesh or Khaleel

 

that leaves with 2 spots between DK,Pant,Shankar,Jadeja and maybe Rahul as a backup opener if Dhawan’s poor form continues.

 

So no need for Jadeja

 

 

It was obviously a comment made in jest.

 

Anyways, Top 11 self selects 

 

Shami as back up for Bhuvi/Bumrah

DK/Pant as backup for Dhoni

Shankar as backup for Jadhav/Rayudu  (OR)  Pant as backup opener - KL has done zilch recently to warrant a recall

Jadeja as back up for Kuldeep/Chahal    (OR)  Umesh/Thakur for the fourth pacer  

 

That is all the options for now.

 

We should be good with three pacers.. Highly doubt if Umesh/Thakur will ever be used unless there are injuries.

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

Since when is the World Cup being played in test format? :laugh:

You called Jadeja a bits n pieces player.

No bits n pieces player can succeed in test cricket as Jaddu did. 

Applying similar logic , Pujara is bits and pieces too. In fact he would be even worst since Jadeja at least enjoyed some success in LOIs unlike him.

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Not a white ball player at all, madness to carry him in a 15/16 man squad. Why didn't we try out Krunal earlier?

See @maniac this is what I was talking about. MSK hasn't been decisive, what was the need to recall Jadeja back after the CT disaster even though he did nothing in this format to show signs of change?

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6 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

@Stradlater - As @Gollum said above, “Great test player, potential ATG there but don't confuse formats.”

 

@vvvslaxman & @Clarke - On what basis should this guy be a third spinner in the team? He averages almost 50 with the ball in the past 4 years! 

Not that we play much of a third spinner, do we ? In the rare circumstance that we do, he may contribute with the bat and the field exploits are well known. 

 

Don't mistake the characterization of third spinner as someone who is a regular. I stated that generally we don't really need him with two frontline spinners.

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Unfair to look at data from Jan 2015. He was dropped from LOIs in Jul 2017 before KulCha became the main spinners. Reason why he was dropped was the inability to take wickets.

 

Since his comeback in Asia Cup 6 months back, he’s been decent - 11 matches, 16 wickets@31, ER of 4.75, SR of 38. Obviously no way near KulCha but not the worst bowler either. Has to attack and look to pick wickets rather than being defensive. With the bat while he has no noticeable innings, his 20-odd in the Asia Cup finals and vs AFG were crucial, otherwise we would have lost. Add his fielding , best in the team, and he becomes a decent package, who when needed can be the 4th/5th bowler and an above average number 7. 

 

But should not be in WC squad of 15. Can be there as a reserve player outside the squad.

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24 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Unfair to look at data from Jan 2015. He was dropped from LOIs in Jul 2017 before KulCha became the main spinners. Reason why he was dropped was the inability to take wickets.

 

Since his comeback in Asia Cup 6 months back, he’s been decent - 11 matches, 16 wickets@31, ER of 4.75, SR of 38. Obviously no way near KulCha but not the worst bowler either. Has to attack and look to pick wickets rather than being defensive. With the bat while he has no noticeable innings, his 20-odd in the Asia Cup finals and vs AFG were crucial, otherwise we would have lost. Add his fielding , best in the team, and he becomes a decent package, who when needed can be the 4th/5th bowler and an above average number 7. 

 

But should not be in WC squad of 15. Can be there as a reserve player outside the squad.

WC is not played in the sandpits of UAE.

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17 minutes ago, sandeep said:

WC is not played in the sandpits of UAE.

Do you realise stupidity of such wisecracks.

 

Let me take your argument further. WC is being played in England. So we should consider a player’s past record in England.

 

Jadeja in ODIs in England 17 matches, 281 runs@71, strike rate of 109, 27 wickets@27, ER 5.13, SR of 31

 

See?

 

 

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2 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Do you realise stupidity of such wisecracks.

 

Let me take your argument further. WC is being played in England. So we should consider a player’s past record in England.

 

Jadeja in ODIs in England 17 matches, 281 runs@71, strike rate of 109, 27 wickets@27, ER 5.13, SR of 31

 

See?

You know what's stupid?  Complete and utter ignorance, shoonya understanding of the impact that ODI powerplay rule changes had on the viability of finger spinners in ODI cricket.  Jadeja's over-all England numbers massively benefit from his earlier record - its not just recency bias.  Its the rule change that mandates only four outfielders in the overs 10 to 40.  Because of this, not just Jadeja, almost all finger spinners' effectiveness has been reduced massively. 

 

4 outfielders mean that there is always one boundary that has to be left open, and with the minimal turn that finger spinners get after the bounce, batsmen can pre-mediate and target that zone.  This is the reason why in the most recent Champions trophy India lost a league-stage game to SL, after scoring more than 330 batting first.  Kusal Mendis repeatedly targeted Jadeja and milked him for 8+ RPO.  It was so bad that Jadeja only ended up bowling 6 overs in that match.  

 

And this has nothing to with England - in general, on tracks where the par score is usually over 300, Jadeja's bowling has been consistently targeted as the weak link.  

 

To drill down into this England numbers 

 

 

 

Link : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=2;host=1;template=results;type=bowling

 

In 2017, he averaged more than 62 runs per wicket, at an economy rate of 5.9, strike rate of 63.    His overall England numbers look really good because they are massively boosted by his performances in 2013 and 2014, the ODI game was completely different back then.  

 

Forget England, just look at his ODI performances everywhere except that Asia cup - played on tracks where par score was well-below 300, and the grip provided on those tracks meant that all spinners were more effective than they normally would be.

 

In the last 3 years, Jadeja averages 48 runs per wicket in 17 games, excluding the UAE.   Outside Asia, He's played 10 ODIs and averages 91 runs per wicket.  Just for comparison, Kedar Jadhav's bowling average with the same filters?  39 runs per wicket, with very similar economy rate.   Essentially Jadeja's bowling is reduced to the effectiveness of a part-time bowler, and his batting limitations in ODIs are extremely well-known.  His most famous contribution with the bat in the lasts 3 years in ODIs is running Hardik Pandya out in the CT final.  

 

 

JadduEngland.JPG

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1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 he is our third choice spinner. I would keep him just for fielding. Kedhar jadhav should start an imaginary fight with Rayudu and beat him to pulp. Jadeja can walk in as a substitute fielder

On what basis? He doesn’t pick up

wickets. On best days he keeps it economical and can have bad days too. Batting is useless in LOIs. I am sure there are 100s or better options. I wouldn’t mind Krunal Pandya over him but he looks like a run of the mill pie chucked but has some batting talent. Whatever happened to Rasool guy?

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1 minute ago, maniac said:

On what basis? He doesn’t pick up

wickets. On best days he keeps it economical and can have bad days too. Batting is useless in LOIs. I am sure there are 100s or better options. I wouldn’t mind Krunal Pandya over him but he looks like a run of the mill pie chucked but has some batting talent. Whatever happened to Rasool guy?

Ravichandran Torres  :)  is our other option.  

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

Ravichandran Torres  :)  is our other option.  

Why go to TTF’s. I refuse to believe India doesn’t have spinners who can hold a bat. Ashwin,Jadeja hell even Mishra and Chawla.

 

Sundar is obviously too raw.

 

KP is the best bet not the SA/Eng one but the WI wannabe one

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7 minutes ago, maniac said:

Why go to TTF’s. I refuse to believe India doesn’t have spinners who can hold a bat. Ashwin,Jadeja hell even Mishra and Chawla.

 

Sundar is obviously too raw.

 

KP is the best bet not the SA/Eng one but the WI wannabe one

Seen a few like Shreyas Gopal, Hooda, Abishek sharma. Not quiet there yet with either department.  Gowtham is okayish. He can hit long balls.

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

Seen a few like Shreyas Gopal, Hooda, Abishek sharma. Not quiet there yet with either department.  Gowtham is okayish. He can hit long balls.

Gowtham can be worth a shot, total slogger and better bowler than Krunal even though batting still rate Krunal over him

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7 hours ago, sandeep said:

You know what's stupid?  Complete and utter ignorance, shoonya understanding of the impact that ODI powerplay rule changes had on the viability of finger spinners in ODI cricket.  Jadeja's over-all England numbers massively benefit from his earlier record - its not just recency bias.  Its the rule change that mandates only four outfielders in the overs 10 to 40.  Because of this, not just Jadeja, almost all finger spinners' effectiveness has been reduced massively. 

 

4 outfielders mean that there is always one boundary that has to be left open, and with the minimal turn that finger spinners get after the bounce, batsmen can pre-mediate and target that zone.  This is the reason why in the most recent Champions trophy India lost a league-stage game to SL, after scoring more than 330 batting first.  Kusal Mendis repeatedly targeted Jadeja and milked him for 8+ RPO.  It was so bad that Jadeja only ended up bowling 6 overs in that match.  

 

And this has nothing to with England - in general, on tracks where the par score is usually over 300, Jadeja's bowling has been consistently targeted as the weak link.  

 

To drill down into this England numbers 

 

 

 

Link : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=2;host=1;template=results;type=bowling

 

In 2017, he averaged more than 62 runs per wicket, at an economy rate of 5.9, strike rate of 63.    His overall England numbers look really good because they are massively boosted by his performances in 2013 and 2014, the ODI game was completely different back then.  

 

Forget England, just look at his ODI performances everywhere except that Asia cup - played on tracks where par score was well-below 300, and the grip provided on those tracks meant that all spinners were more effective than they normally would be.

 

In the last 3 years, Jadeja averages 48 runs per wicket in 17 games, excluding the UAE.   Outside Asia, He's played 10 ODIs and averages 91 runs per wicket.  Just for comparison, Kedar Jadhav's bowling average with the same filters?  39 runs per wicket, with very similar economy rate.   Essentially Jadeja's bowling is reduced to the effectiveness of a part-time bowler, and his batting limitations in ODIs are extremely well-known.  His most famous contribution with the bat in the lasts 3 years in ODIs is running Hardik Pandya out in the CT final.  

 

 

JadduEngland.JPG

You would have avoided such detailed analysis had you read what I wrote "should not be in the WC squad, can at best be in the reserves".

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BUMP! 

Ravindra Jadeja from January 1, 2015 - Present (UPDATED STATISTICS
Batting Average: 18.10
Bowling Average 47.92



He has been selected or the World Cup despite doing NOTHING with both bat and ball for the past 4 years!

CSK Quota Zindabad :csk:

SOURCE: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=2;spanmin1=01+jan+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

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Our selecters must think he is the next Steve Smith? A average spinner who can bat a bit, to eventually a world class batsman?

 

much rather play Krunal Pandaya than this fellow...

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what's funny, he was discarded with Ashwin after disastrous CT finals, and was overlooked for last two years

and whap bamp, he gets picked in the WC squad, off two-three half decent IPL games.

 

Have to feel for likes of Krunal Pandya, Washington, D Jadeja, Rasool, Jalaj Saxena,  Nadeem, Jayant Yadav...never given any chances to provide alternative to leg spin and Jaddu sneaks through

 

As usual lack of long term targetted planning from India

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42 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

When i watch him struggling to have one solid connection with the bat, ball after ball in the end overs, i feel disgusted with selectors.

Selectors are just there for name, all decisions were taken by kohli in the end. I have heard that 4 - 5 people from selection committee wanted pant but kohli declined it and he wasn't picked. Kohli should have known how useless jaddu was in 2017 ct or even 2015 world cup but he is still sticking with him now i just hope they don't play him in xi for his fielding.

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He was way worse than Ashwin in the CT final, last 4 years in ODIs he has significantly worse stats than Ash despite playing on many favorable pitches. Both were rightly thrown out of the team but only one of them has :csk:connection. 

 

As a specialist 12th man he can be an asset, otherwise a huge burden. 

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The selectors wasted a spot by selecting him. He would be carted all around if he makes to playing eleven.

And does he even contribute with the bat? I think his knock against KKR a day before WC selection fooled the selection committee. Vaughan has told many times in his interviews that English pitches are getting more & more flat in last few years. In England's list A domestic tournament, these were the following scores on day 1- 342, 367, 379, 326 and 310. So, just pray that he keeps warming the benches otherwise it is gonna be advantage oposition on the field. 

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On 4/17/2019 at 10:30 PM, Zero_Unit said:

I don't understand why he still gets selected. Overall a crappy package cricketer. Only good for his fielding ... even Jonty Rhodes wacked a few with the bat.

More i see Jadhav is also a crappy selection along with DK.  Could have gone with Shreyas Gopal as a second leggie option. Saini as a 4th pace man.

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On 4/18/2019 at 3:39 AM, Turning_track said:

The selectors wasted a spot by selecting him. He would be carted all around if he makes to playing eleven.

And does he even contribute with the bat? I think his knock against KKR a day before WC selection fooled the selection committee. Vaughan has told many times in his interviews that English pitches are getting more & more flat in last few years. In England's list A domestic tournament, these were the following scores on day 1- 342, 367, 379, 326 and 310. So, just pray that he keeps warming the benches otherwise it is gonna be advantage oposition on the field. 

Jaddu is also capable of contributing to that level of scores or better with a century or two - as a bowler.

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Having read all your comments I can only tell you all that you all still dont get it why Jadeja was selected...The reason is for his fielding..as a substitute fielder..think of this..Bumrah or Shami bowls a spell gets tired/slightly injured and walks off..or it is the 45th over and legendary fielder Yuzi Chahal has left the field and AUs needs 55 of 34 balls and there is a difficult catch in deepmid wicket..who would you have as your substitite fielder..Pant or Jadeja or Rayudu..close your eyes and youll get up in cold sweat if its Rayudu or Pant..THATS where Jadeja the sub fielder comes in..he can effect a run out or take a blinder when our legendary fielders like chahal,kuldeep,bumrah are taking some breather and believe me there will be lots of opportunities if this years heat is as bad as last years in June..so I will always bat for Jadeja..and if he is lucky he ll get a game or 2 against BD/Afghanistan..and I bet it was Dhoni s plan to have him;)

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Some things are beyond stats, he's a match winner in any format when it matters with his 3D skills and chasma, experience too. Waise bhi, him and Dhoni are a match in the field and bring the best out in one another.  Chahal is a mental midget who feasts on poor line ups and when it doesn't matter as much, can't bat and can't field either.

 

Kuldeep is losing form too, makes me regret about Ashwin which is not a good thing. Bhajji in form too.

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On 4/24/2019 at 4:51 AM, ViruDilSeKhelo said:

Some things are beyond stats, he's a match winner in any format when it matters with his 3D skills and chasma, experience too. Waise bhi, him and Dhoni are a match in the field and bring the best out in one another.  Chahal is a mental midget who feasts on poor line ups and when it doesn't matter as much, can't bat and can't field either.

 

Kuldeep is losing form too, makes me regret about Ashwin which is not a good thing. Bhajji in form too.

wtf are you are talking about..

 

He has been part of 5 of our world cup campaigns.. in all those 5 campaigns, we didn't even make past SF even once...his performance in those 5 world cup was the worst out of all the bowlers...

 

matchwinner my @$s .... the amount of chances he has got for Indian team without any performance, he should call himself lucky...

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, rahulrulezz said:

wtf are you are talking about..

 

He has been part of 5 of our world cup campaigns.. in all those 5 campaigns, we didn't even make past SF even once...his performance in those 5 world cup was the worst out of all the bowlers...

 

matchwinner my @$s .... the amount of chances he has got for Indian team without any performance, he should call himself lucky...

 

 

 

 

Why are you talking about t20? Not a world cup even if they renamed it and different format. Jaddu played well in UK in CT2013. Horses for courses. Playing chahal makes tail ultra long and he's a mental midget, crap fielder.

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