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Peacefuls led by by the terror organization PFI/SDPI at the forefront yet again. Yup, the same organization that chopped off the Kerala professor's hands a few years back, that amongst a myriad of crimes against humanity. 

 

PMK man has hands chopped off, murdered by gang for resisting conversion

 

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Fearing unrest over the murder of a Pattali Makkal Katchi (PMK) functionary allegedly by members belonging to a minority community, around 250 police personnel have been deployed near Kumbakonam in Thanjavur district.

The incident happened on Tuesday night in Thirubuvanam. A group of unidentified men assaulted the 42-year-old Ramalingam, a PMK functionary, on his way back home and chopped his hands off with billhooks. Ramalingam, who was bleeding profusely, was rushed to a private hospital in Kumbakonam. The doctors in the hospital referred Ramalingam to the Government Medical College and Hospital in the main city. However, Ramalingam died due to excessive bleeding on the way to the hospital.

Narrating the sequence of events that led to the attack on Ramalingam, a police officer at the Thiruvidaimarudhur police station told TNM that they suspect that the murder is related to an argument he had with the members of the minority community though it is not clear when the altercation took place. 

“There is a habit among the Muslims in the town to visit the localities dominated by the people from their community and preach about the religious practices and the greatness of Allah. Generally, the ones who visit the villages restrict themselves to the Muslim-dominated areas only,” the police officer told TNM. But on Tuesday, the group that came to preach had allegedly visited a street which had a large number of residents belonging to the Dalit community.

“Ramalingam had, coincidentally, gone into the street to pick up a few men who were working for him, in his catering business. When he saw the group of Muslims speaking about Islam there, he raised questions and as those men retaliated, an altercation ensued. The issue was also sorted out by the Muslim clerics in the afternoon,” explained the police officer. The police further suspect these men could have chopped off Ramalingam’s hands in order to settle the score.

Following this incident, around 250 policemen have been posted in and around Kumbakonam fearing communal unrest in the area. Ramalingam’s body has been handed over to his family and the police is yet to nab the accused. An FIR has also been registered under section 302 (Murder) of the IPC.

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@velu @Vilander there have been a number of communal murders in TN the last 5-10 years. Do the Dravidian parties (esp DMK, DK, Vaiko, Dalit parties....) and society speak out against these ghastly crimes or is it swept under the carpet? I mean Bengal, Kerala, Hyderabad etc have significant Muslim population but TN with a mere 6% Muslim population shouldn't be a problem, no?

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15 minutes ago, Gollum said:

@velu @Vilander there have been a number of communal murders in TN the last 5-10 years. Do the Dravidian parties (esp DMK, DK, Vaiko, Dalit parties....) and society speak out against these ghastly crimes or is it swept under the carpet? I mean Bengal, Kerala, Hyderabad etc have significant Muslim population but TN with a mere 6% Muslim population shouldn't be a problem, no?

 

rule 1 ) nobody cares if the crime is committed by minorities ..

rule 2 ) nobody cares if the crime is committed by dalits  ..

rule 3 ) nobody cares if the victim is a dalit and the crime is  committed by a minority ..

 

 

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Imagine the chutzpah of these Muslims. They are 6% of the population of the state, go and preach their religion in the majority community area, if someone opposes that his hands are chopped off and throat slit !!! Is this even possible anywhere else in the world? 

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3 hours ago, Gollum said:

@velu @Vilander there have been a number of communal murders in TN the last 5-10 years. Do the Dravidian parties (esp DMK, DK, Vaiko, Dalit parties....) and society speak out against these ghastly crimes or is it swept under the carpet? I mean Bengal, Kerala, Hyderabad etc have significant Muslim population but TN with a mere 6% Muslim population shouldn't be a problem, no?

DMK sucks up to minorities. 

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मृत्युंजय, इस घाट में अपना कालकूट भर दे तू आज,
ओ मंगलमय, पूर्ण, सदाशिव, रूद्र-रूप धर ले तू आज!

चिर निद्रित भी जाग उठें हम, कर दे तू ऐसी हुँकार ,
मद-मत्तों का मद उतार दे, दुर्धर तेरा दंड प्रहार।

हम अन्धें भी देख सकें कुछ, धधका दे प्रलय-ज्वाला
उसमे पड़कर भस्म शेष हो, है जो जड़ जर्जर निस्सार।

यह मृत शान्ति असह्य हो उठी, छिन्न इसे कर दे तू आज,
मृत्युंजय इस घाट में अपना कालकूट भर दे तू आज!

ओ कठोर, तेरी कठोरता कर दे हमको कुलिश-कठोर,
विचलित कर न सके कोई भी झंझा की दारुण झकझोर।

सिर के ऊपर के प्रहार सब सुमन-समूह-समान झड़ें,
पैरों के नीचे के कांटे मृदु-मृणाल से जान पड़ें।

नव-भूखंड अमृत के घट-सा दे ऊपर की ओर उछाल,
सागर का अंतस्थल मथकर तेरे विप्लव का भूचाल।

जीर्ण शीर्णता के दुर्गों को, कुसंस्कार के स्तूपों को
ढा दे एक साथ ही उठकर दुर्जय, तेरा क्रोध कराल।

कुछ भी मूल्य नहीं जीवन का, हो यदि उसके पास न ध्वंस;
ओ कृतांत, हमको भी दे जा निज कृतांतता का कुछ अंश।

ओ भैरव, कवि को वाणी का मृदु माधुर्य लजा दे आज;
वंशी के होंठों पर अपना निर्मम शंख बजा दे आज!

नभ को छूकर दूर दूर तक गूँज उठे तेरा जय-नाद,
घर के भीतर व्ह्हिपे पड़े जो बाहर निकल पड़ें साह्लाद ।

तेरा सुदृढ़ कवच पहनें हम घूम सकें चाहे जिस ओर,
ओ कठोर, तेरी कठोरता कर दे हमको कुलिश-कठोर।

ओ दुस्साहस, तेरी दुस्सहस्ता सहज-सहय हमको हो जाए,
तेरे प्रलय-घनों की धरा निर्मल कर हमको धो जाए!

ओ कृतांत, हमको भी दे जा निज कृतांतता का कुछ अंश,
नई सृष्टि के नवोल्लास में फ्होत पड़े तेरा विभ्रंश।

 

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2 hours ago, Vilander said:

DMK sucks up to minorities. 

What about the common people of TN? I don't see any outrage or condemnation on social media from Tamils, hardly any discussion on this matter. They are selective in their outrage. Even the high profile Kollywood celebs and activists who are vocal on many political matters are on maun vrat. And this is not the first, quite a few Hindus have been butchered by Islamists in TN in recent years.

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Religion killed Ramalingam: Immoral, unfair, biased media whitewashed the cause of murder

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"Catering contractor hacked to death in Tamil Nadu"

"Tension prevails in Thirubuvanam after murder of former PMK functionary"

"Murder of PMK man near Kumbakonam sparks tension"

"PMK man murdered in Kumbakonam, heavy police deployed fearing communal tension"

These are samples of headlines from the mainstream media of a murder in Thirubuvanam, a small town known for silk saris near Kumbakonam in Tamil Nadu, on Wednesday.

News headlines are supposed to enlighten and inform, but here, alas, they have done the opposite. They obfuscate and hide, thereby setting a false and flawed narrative.

For, the real story is: Muslims suspected to be behind man's murder for thwarting conversion bid.

Here is the background. The victim, the 42-year-old V Ramalingam, was killed on Muslim Street in Thirubuvanam by a gang  wielding sharp weapons. The murderous men mercilessly attacked Ramalingam with long knives and sickles and he suffered fatal cuts and injuries. A profusely bleeding Ramalingam was declared dead on arrival at the hospital. The deep cuts and lesions on his body tell a tale of absolute brutality.

Ramalingam was attacked apparently because he had tried to prevent a few Muslims who were trying to convert the Dalits in the village. A video, that has now gone viral on social media, has Ramalingam arguing with the Muslims and trying to tell them that they were causing religious chaos in an otherwise harmonious area.

Ramalingam, in the video, tells the Muslims that he can get them houses for rent in his locality, whereas can they (Muslims) get him a house for rent in their area? At one point, he takes out the cap of a Muslim and wears it, saying he has no problem with it. Ramalingam then goes on to smear holy ash on a Muslim man's forehead, who immediately erases it.

Ramalingam also tells the Muslims that he doesn't mind eating the food they give him after their worship. "Will you guys eat the food we give after our prayers?"

Surely, it is no coincidence that Ramalingam was heinously bumped off after this incident. Investigating police officers  confirm that prima facie the murder of Ramalingam was due to the fracas with the Muslims.

Now, go back to the headlines cited above. The murder has no bearing on Ramalingam being a Pattali Makkal Katchi (PMK) functionary nor is his profession of being a caterer a clincher in the case. His being referred to as a PMK man or a caterer is a cruel obfuscation. He was killed because he was Ramalingam, a Hindu.

Worse, there is no mention of who committed the crime. Okay, the case is being investigated. But the police themselves have officially said that the local Muslims were suspected to be behind the crime. So why sheepishly hide it? If not for the viral video, the news outlets would hide behind the inelegant euphemism: "members of a minority community are suspected to be behind the incident." 

It is understandable, and even recommended, for news outlets to play safe and not trigger communal passions. Sensational and screaming titles can lead to that. But in this case, the unseemly urge to push the truth under the carpet is what is making people see red. For, the events leading up to the murder has already been captured in video and has become viral on social media platforms. So, to play coy is now silly, stupid, and dare we say, irresponsible. It gives room to conspiracy theories.

Because, at the other end of the spectrum, the crimes of Hindu right-wing seem amplified disproportionately. In a sense, it is silly and shameful to be talking of these things as if these are competitive events.  

But when one set of events are seen to be played up while another bunch of similar occurrences are reported in a decidedly low-key manner, people become suspicious of regular media. The rise of social media news sources — most of them unreliable and dubious — are a direct result of the news media going about its work in an evidently lopsided manner.

The rise of right-wing politics, where Hindus rightly or wrongly feel victimised, can be also argued to be an upshot of this tendency of mainstream media outlets to play favourites. Media responsibility is about being seen to be fair to all. The scales of news reporting should not tilt one way or the other.

In Ramalingam's unfortunate murder, mainstream media has been neither responsible nor fair.

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RIP. It happens in Kashmir, it happens in TN, it happens in Bihar or UP and it definitely happens in Kerala.

 

Pack your bags or nahi toh arabi samundar main doob maro. Unke hathose marane se accha hai

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

What about the common people of TN? I don't see any outrage or condemnation on social media from Tamils, hardly any discussion on this matter. They are selective in their outrage. Even the high profile Kollywood celebs and activists who are vocal on many political matters are on maun vrat. And this is not the first, quite a few Hindus have been butchered by Islamists in TN in recent years.

not sure , i do not follow tamil social media. But usually such things are tracker in vernacular media.

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7 hours ago, Gollum said:

What about the common people of TN? I don't see any outrage or condemnation on social media from Tamils, hardly any discussion on this matter. They are selective in their outrage. Even the high profile Kollywood celebs and activists who are vocal on many political matters are on maun vrat. And this is not the first, quite a few Hindus have been butchered by Islamists in TN in recent years.

first it has to get reported. I don't think even that is happening

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3 hours ago, Vilander said:

first it has to get reported. I don't think even that is happening

And that shows all's not well in TN..... if vernacular media, parties and activists are not making enough noise. Not too different from what happens in Bengal. Muslim appeasement in full flow. 

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11 minutes ago, Gollum said:

And that shows all's not well in TN..... if vernacular media, parties and activists are not making enough noise. Not too different from what happens in Bengal. Muslim appeasement in full flow. 

Sure sure dire situation..risk of becoming pakistan etc. Ok in terms of reality. muslims have bitten more than they can chew this time. The type of violence this grp is capable of is some other level dalits and vanniars have been at each other from a long time. This popular front is a new entrant. Most of them wont survive in vellore jail.

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On 2/7/2019 at 2:20 PM, velu said:

 

rule 1 ) nobody cares if the crime is committed by minorities ..

rule 2 ) nobody cares if the crime is committed by dalits  ..

rule 3 ) nobody cares if the victim is a dalit and the crime is  committed by a minority ..

 

It is true. 

 

It happens in America too where if Black male is killed by police or any white racist, then it is a big news. But if an innocent while guy has been killed by police or any black racist, then it does not make a news.

 

Same thing happens in Pakistan too where their plight is covered much more in the Media as compared to others. E.g. extremist Sunnis and Shias are killing each other on regular bases, but hardly it makes a news. While atrocities against the minorities are taken seriously, especially by the Secularists in Media and elsewhere. 

 

This some how balances the things and without such huge coverage, the life of the minorities will become even more difficult. Extremist Right Wing Pakistanis are always abusing Media and Secularists for this huge coverage of the plight of the minorities. 

 

I assume it is human Psychology. Minorities need EXTRA support for their existence. One knows that Majority could not be suppressed by minorities for long, but in vice versa case it becomes impossible for a minority to defend itself  from the majority. 

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The reactions should come from WHOLE Indian Society and not from the Right Wing Hindu Parties

 

It is a worst response if reaction comes from right wing parties and they become Champion of "countering Muslim Extremism". 

 

The best in the interest of India is if the response comes from the Whole India Civil Society, irrespective of party or religion. Even the moderate Muslim should also be on the board, as it happened to a great extent in the case of Triple Talaqs. 

 

When right wing parties try to become the sole Thekaydar, then this brings the disunity among the masses. Many people hate right wing hindutva parties as much (if not more) as the Muslim extremist terrorists. 

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11 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Lo ji the fraud "humanist" shows his zehniyat by finding a way to rant against the "Hindutva parties" even on this thread :hysterical:

 

10 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

@Gollum avoid pulling that padosi fake humanist into debate. He has a one track mind about equating Hindutva with mullah extremism of his country.

 

Brothers, call me what ever you like, I am not even going to answer it. 

 

I only want to tell you the universal truth that extremism is evil, which is some time produces even more damage to humanity than Islam could do. 

 

Look at extremism of Nationalism of Hitler and how millions of Jews were killed due to it. I doubt that any Muslim Ruler slaughtered so many Hindus  in India. 

 

Look at extremist approach of Stalin and how many millions of Russians were killed due to it. I don't think that real communist ideology is so bad, but Stalin made to look it bad due to his extremist behaviour. Again I doubt any Muslim ruler killed so many people as Stalin did. 

 

Just look at the right wing extremism in US, which is supporting Trump. They are not only against Muslims, but many of them are also against Hindus and Indians too. They just make fun of Hindus and their style of speaking. They just hate them and try to humiliate them too. If they get absolute power, then Hindus in US will suffer too for sure. 

 

In India, the right wing Hindus are not only threatening extremist Muslims, but also the moderate Muslims, and also all other minorities are feeling uncomfortable and they fear them and thus oppose them. 

 

India needs political parties which unite the society, and not those who polarize the society and create tensions. A real political party should be able to secular enough that all parts of the society feel themselves comfortable with them. 

This is a small and very simple message of Humanity. I wish every one could understand it. 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

 

 

 

 

Look at extremism of Nationalism of Hitler and how millions of Jews were killed due to it. I doubt that any Muslim Ruler slaughtered so many Hindus  in India. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

Ummm Let's see 

 

Historian K. S. Lal in his book Theory and Practice of Muslim State in India claims that between the years 1000 AD and 1500 AD, the population of the Indian subcontinent decreased from 200 to 170 million.

 

 

Will Durant calls the Muslim conquest of India "probably the bloodiest story in history".During this period, Buddhism declined rapidly while Hinduism faced military-led and Sultanates-sponsored religious violence.Even those Hindus who converted to Islam were not immune from persecution, which was illustrated by the Muslim Caste System in India as established by Ziauddin al-Barani in the Fatawa-i Jahandari.

 

According to military historian Victoria Schofield, Sabuktagin, the Turkish ruler of Ghazni and father of Mahmud, "set as his goal the expulsion of the Hindus from the Kabul valley and Gandhara (Khandar), as the vale of Peshawar was still called. His son and successor, the Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni, continued his work, carrying the so called, 'holy war' against the Hindus into India".

 

Edward Sachau : "Mahmud utterly ruined the prosperity of the country, and performed there wonderful exploits, by which the Hindus became like atoms of dust scattered in all directions, and like a tale of old in the mouth of the people".

 

"The (Muslim) army left Delhi in November 1310. After crossing rivers, hills and many depths, the elephants were sent, in order that the inhabitants of Ma'bar might be made aware of the day of resurrection had arrived amongst them; and that all the burnt Hindus would be despatched by the sword to their brothers in hell, so that fire, the improper object of their worship, might mete out proper punishment to them".

 

— Amir Khusrow, Táríkh-i 'Aláí

 

Kazi Mughisuddin of Bayánah advised Allauddin to "keep Hindus in subjection, in abasement, as a religious duty, because they are the most inveterate enemies of the Prophet, and because the Prophet has commanded us to slay them, plunder them, and make them captive; saying - convert them to Islam or kill them, enslave them and spoil their wealth and property".

 

We have only reached to Khiljis who ruled during early 1300s. Do you want me to continue?

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48 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

 

Brothers, call me what ever you like, I am not even going to answer it. 

 

I only want to tell you the universal truth that extremism is evil, which is some time produces even more damage to humanity than Islam could do. 

 

Look at extremism of Nationalism of Hitler and how millions of Jews were killed due to it. I doubt that any Muslim Ruler slaughtered so many Hindus  in India. 

 

Look at extremist approach of Stalin and how many millions of Russians were killed due to it. I don't think that real communist ideology is so bad, but Stalin made to look it bad due to his extremist behaviour. Again I doubt any Muslim ruler killed so many people as Stalin did. 

 

Just look at the right wing extremism in US, which is supporting Trump. They are not only against Muslims, but many of them are also against Hindus and Indians too. They just make fun of Hindus and their style of speaking. They just hate them and try to humiliate them too. If they get absolute power, then Hindus in US will suffer too for sure. 

 

In India, the right wing Hindus are not only threatening extremist Muslims, but also the moderate Muslims, and also all other minorities are feeling uncomfortable and they fear them and thus oppose them. 

 

India needs political parties which unite the society, and not those who polarize the society and create tensions. A real political party should be able to secular enough that all parts of the society feel themselves comfortable with them. 

This is a small and very simple message of Humanity. I wish every one could understand it. 

 

 

Also US attacking killing terrorists outfits  in Afganistan and getting involved in Saudi - Yemen war is increasing day by day and that count is huge, isn't it?  Those two are Islamic countries. Peace talks have kept failing to resolve disputes with those countries. No wonder US is bombing directly or indirectly many Islamic countries. How can you blame US. They are doing the cleanup after they faced wrath of terrorists.

 

 

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Hmmm

Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery

MA Khan

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That is just until 1525... and doesn't include slavery or castrations or forced conversions, all methods of genocide. 

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2 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

Hmmm

Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery

MA Khan

Screenshot-1.png

 

That is just until 1525... and doesn't include slavery or castrations or forced conversions, all methods of genocide. 

Just not in Bangaldesh that Pakistan army killed Muslims in Bangladesh. If we see the other civil wars it is actually muslims killing muslims. Be it the army of two Islamic nations or various factions of Muslim communitiy fighting each other in civil wars. While they are busy killing people of their own religion, America drops bombs and kill scores. The death toll of all the civil wars involving Islamic countries and US backed fighting must be very huge as well.

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53 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Just not in Bangaldesh that Pakistan army killed Muslims in Bangladesh. If we see the other civil wars it is actually muslims killing muslims. Be it the army of two Islamic nations or various factions of Muslim communitiy fighting each other in civil wars. While they are busy killing people of their own religion, America drops bombs and kill scores. The death toll of all the civil wars involving Islamic countries and US backed fighting must be very huge as well.

While you are correct that Muslims murder other Muslims in large numbers, the Bangladesh War is not really a good example here IMO. The Bangladesh War was a genocide attempt on Bengalis in general, but there was specific targeting of Hindu Bengalis in East Pakistan

 

From

The Blood Telegram

Gary Bass

blood telegram

and

http://home.iitk.ac.in/~hcverma/Article/Genocide of Hindus in banglasdesh.pdf

ABSTRACT

It is well known that the 1971 army repression in Bangla Desh (former East Pakistan) resulted in an influx of 10 million refugees into India. Most world renowned relief and news agencies put the number of dead at 3 million. However the fact that is glossed over in these statistics is that THE ENTIRE HINDU POPULATION OF EAST PAKISTAN WAS THE PRIMARY TARGET OF PAKISTANI ARMY DURING THE 9 MONTHS OF REPRESSION IN 1971. Using the population statistics from Bangla Desh Government and US Government publications this article PROVES that 80 percent of the refugees from Bangla Desh were Hindus and that 80 percent of the 3 million killed were Hindus. THUS IT WAS A HINDU REFUGEE PROBLEM and IT WAS A HINDU GENOCIDE THAT TOOK PLACE IN EAST PAKISTAN IN 1971.

 

http://dro.dur.ac.uk/9904/1/9904.pd

There are pictures of these checked circumcisions online as well, for example here from Durham University:

image.jpeg.f0cd0bc6dd69de6b5cb0b8aba23b1968.jpeg

 

Then there was the rape of women, due to the fact that Bengali Muslims were "Half-Muslim"

http://dro.dur.ac.uk/9904/1/9904.pd (pg 6,8)

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14 Personal Communication with Swapan Parekh; P. Bartholemew (2008), Close Up: Kishor Parekh. February 2008 World Press Photo Foundation, Amsterdam http://www.enterworldpressphoto.org/editie9/close_up.php?hilow = (click on ‘CLOSE UP kishor parekh’ [accessed 10 November 2011]. 15 Published, and frequently contested, official figures vary: the number ranges between 100,000 and 400,000 rapes of women by Pakistani soldiers and their local Bengali collaborators. 16 The government designation of 200,000 ‘war-heroines’ applied to women from all socio-economic backgrounds who had been raped during the war.

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The constant evocation of the rape of women during the Bangladesh war stands in contrast, to the silence relating to male rapes and violation during the war. One of the often cited reasons for the rape of the women during the war is that Pakistani soldiers wanted to improve the genes of the Bengali Muslim people and populate Bangladesh with ‘pure’ Muslims.20 Bengali Muslims were also considered to be ‘Hinduized’, ‘half Muslims’ and ‘impure’, as evidenced in colonial discourses and documents of the eighteenth century

 

No doubt, this was covered up by the "secular" nature of certain people in government at the time to maintain "communal harmony."

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27 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

While you are correct that Muslims murder other Muslims in large numbers, the Bangladesh War is not really a good example here IMO. The Bangladesh War was a genocide attempt on Bengalis in general, but there was specific targeting of Hindu Bengalis in East Pakistan

 

From

The Blood Telegram

Gary Bass

blood telegram

and

http://home.iitk.ac.in/~hcverma/Article/Genocide of Hindus in banglasdesh.pdf

ABSTRACT

It is well known that the 1971 army repression in Bangla Desh (former East Pakistan) resulted in an influx of 10 million refugees into India. Most world renowned relief and news agencies put the number of dead at 3 million. However the fact that is glossed over in these statistics is that THE ENTIRE HINDU POPULATION OF EAST PAKISTAN WAS THE PRIMARY TARGET OF PAKISTANI ARMY DURING THE 9 MONTHS OF REPRESSION IN 1971. Using the population statistics from Bangla Desh Government and US Government publications this article PROVES that 80 percent of the refugees from Bangla Desh were Hindus and that 80 percent of the 3 million killed were Hindus. THUS IT WAS A HINDU REFUGEE PROBLEM and IT WAS A HINDU GENOCIDE THAT TOOK PLACE IN EAST PAKISTAN IN 1971.

 

http://dro.dur.ac.uk/9904/1/9904.pd

There are pictures of these checked circumcisions online as well, for example here from Durham University:

image.jpeg.f0cd0bc6dd69de6b5cb0b8aba23b1968.jpeg

 

Then there was the rape of women, due to the fact that Bengali Muslims were "Half-Muslim"

http://dro.dur.ac.uk/9904/1/9904.pd (pg 6,8)

 

No doubt, this was covered up by the "secular" nature of certain people in government at the time to maintain "communal harmony."

Agree,  it has been reported that Hindus were the prime targets during the operations conducted to counter the independence movement as the Hindus were suspected to be  the Masterminds who were poisoning the minds of Bengali Muslims.  But the Bengali Muslims did protest against the target killings of Hindus and didn't let it happen to leave the Hindus to their fate.  No? 

 

Even during the last Shabagh protests in 2013, it was largely Bengali Muslims protesting for Capital Punishment for War Criminals some of whom primarily targeted the Hindus. There is a spirit of Secularism among a lot of Bengali Muslims who Identiy as Bengali First and are not biased against Hindus,  must have something to do with Secular Bengali Culture. Have to applaud their resistance against Islamization of their culture which was seen as Hinduized and not Islamic enough for the Al -Bakistanis. 

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12 hours ago, Stradlater said:

Ummm Let's see 

 

Historian K. S. Lal in his book Theory and Practice of Muslim State in India claims that between the years 1000 AD and 1500 AD, the population of the Indian subcontinent decreased from 200 to 170 million.

 

 

Will Durant calls the Muslim conquest of India "probably the bloodiest story in history".During this period, Buddhism declined rapidly while Hinduism faced military-led and Sultanates-sponsored religious violence.Even those Hindus who converted to Islam were not immune from persecution, which was illustrated by the Muslim Caste System in India as established by Ziauddin al-Barani in the Fatawa-i Jahandari.

 

According to military historian Victoria Schofield, Sabuktagin, the Turkish ruler of Ghazni and father of Mahmud, "set as his goal the expulsion of the Hindus from the Kabul valley and Gandhara (Khandar), as the vale of Peshawar was still called. His son and successor, the Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni, continued his work, carrying the so called, 'holy war' against the Hindus into India".

 

Edward Sachau : "Mahmud utterly ruined the prosperity of the country, and performed there wonderful exploits, by which the Hindus became like atoms of dust scattered in all directions, and like a tale of old in the mouth of the people".

 

"The (Muslim) army left Delhi in November 1310. After crossing rivers, hills and many depths, the elephants were sent, in order that the inhabitants of Ma'bar might be made aware of the day of resurrection had arrived amongst them; and that all the burnt Hindus would be despatched by the sword to their brothers in hell, so that fire, the improper object of their worship, might mete out proper punishment to them".

 

— Amir Khusrow, Táríkh-i 'Aláí

 

Kazi Mughisuddin of Bayánah advised Allauddin to "keep Hindus in subjection, in abasement, as a religious duty, because they are the most inveterate enemies of the Prophet, and because the Prophet has commanded us to slay them, plunder them, and make them captive; saying - convert them to Islam or kill them, enslave them and spoil their wealth and property".

 

We have only reached to Khiljis who ruled during early 1300s. Do you want me to continue?

What? You are misinformed. Accordind to resident historians, Muslum invaders did what other kings were doing to other kings in the region. Temples were destroyed for wealth and not for religion, just like other kings, in the end only about 80 temples were destroyed and the genocide is a myth. This will be taught to kids in school.

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The fact that someone like Audrey Truschke is allowed so freely to headline conferences/summits in certain parts of India and spread tales about the secular, tolerant, noble, humane Aurangzeb as opposed to the wicked dharmics while a rapturous home audience laps it up as divine truth...tells all you need to know about the good for nothing servile Hindu qaum.

 

The beech was in the land of Periyar recently to do the same at an event organized by 'The Hindu' and drew record crowds, huge attendance rapt in attention while she was justifying and praising all the evil acts by the Mughal Emperor whilst drawing false equivalence with infidel rulers. Maybe Lemurians are enamored by Truschke's description of Lord Ram ('suar' in case you are wondering), common enemy for both.

 

And then we wonder why news such as the one in OP don't attract any attention in the local press.

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6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

What? You are misinformed. Accordind to resident historians, Muslum invaders did what other kings were doing to other kings in the region. Temples were destroyed for wealth and not for religion, just like other kings, in the end only about 80 temples were destroyed and the genocide is a myth. This will be taught to kids in school.

You forgot how one small king in modern day Karnataka or something tortured some Hindus of other sects and looted their temple .

Therefore all Hindu kings = Same as Muslim Kings in their zeal to loot wealth of religious institutions.

Therefore TMC rule in Bengal is completely justified since Ram sucks and Durga rules.

 

Jai Bhadralok!

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On 2/9/2019 at 5:34 PM, Alam_dar said:

In India, the right wing Hindus are not only threatening extremist Muslims, but also the moderate Muslims, and also all other minorities are feeling uncomfortable and they fear them and thus oppose them. 

 

This part is totally incorrect. The right wing Hindus do not threaten extremist Muslims at all. In the Indian context, the rise of the  right wing Hindu political force is a reaction to Muslim extremism.

Right wing Hindu forces are moderately successful in uniting the various Hindu sects into one major voting block. They are also moderately successful in pushing the non extreme Muslims away from the mainstream and towards the right wing Muslim narrative.

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23 hours ago, rageaddict said:

Agree,  it has been reported that Hindus were the prime targets during the operations conducted to counter the independence movement as the Hindus were suspected to be  the Masterminds who were poisoning the minds of Bengali Muslims.  But the Bengali Muslims did protest against the target killings of Hindus and didn't let it happen to leave the Hindus to their fate.  No? 

 

Even during the last Shabagh protests in 2013, it was largely Bengali Muslims protesting for Capital Punishment for War Criminals some of whom primarily targeted the Hindus. There is a spirit of Secularism among a lot of Bengali Muslims who Identiy as Bengali First and are not biased against Hindus,  must have something to do with Secular Bengali Culture. Have to applaud their resistance against Islamization of their culture which was seen as Hinduized and not Islamic enough for the Al -Bakistanis. 

Yes, those Bangladeshis who protest against the Bakistani war criminals deserve credit. However, just a minor technicality, the Bangladesh government sells the Bakistani atrocities as a Punjabi vs Bengali thing: Punjabis genociding Bengalis. I think this is slightly misleading. While it is true that ~20% of the victims were Muslim Bangladeshis, the "branding" of it as Bakistani Punjabis persecuting Bangladeshis because they are Bengali obfuscates that the Bakistanis had a clear religious angle to their actions as well.  Calling Bangladeshis Muslims "half-Muslim half-Hindu" to justify their genocide of them makes that pretty clear. It's also mentioned that the Bakistanis had their fair share of Bangladeshi collaborators during the genocide as well, who were presumably "full-Muslim".

 

I know my fair share of Bangladeshi students/immigrants in the US who condemn the Bakis in general and are aware of some of the religious aspects of the crimes, so it's not necessarily a criticism of Bangladeshis in toto, but both Bangladesh and India seem to have hidden the religious angle to the genocide to the world community, for whatever reason.  It's also fair to note that one of their political parties in Bangladesh, sorry I am forgetting the name, is pretty openly pro-Pakistan. Methinks, this party is likely made up of those collaborators.  

 

I am more disappointed that we let those 90K + war criminals go, without facing anything resembling justice. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Texy said:

Recently more and more Bdeshi Muslims are transforming into saudi/Pakistani wordhipping puppets. But credit to them Hasina was elected again as oppose to West Bengal

More like Hasina elected herself tbh, farce of an election. Most Bangladeshis hate her, but good for the region and peace. After her Bangladesh will become tough to deal with from our pov. 

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On 2/9/2019 at 1:35 PM, Stradlater said:

Ummm Let's see 

 

Historian K. S. Lal in his book Theory and Practice of Muslim State in India claims that between the years 1000 AD and 1500 AD, the population of the Indian subcontinent decreased from 200 to 170 million.

 

Please imagine if Hitler ruled for 500 years, how many million people (especially Jews) would have been killed by him? 

 

And it was not even the main issue/message which I was conveying. It is so sad that you (and all the following posters) neglected the main issue/message and started targeting me for this non-issue. The fanatic Hindutva will bring only bad to Indian people and the humanity. The usage of Muslim extremism to cover up the Hindutva fanaticism is not going to reform the thing, but the disease will continue and hurt. 

 

 

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Bandh in Kumbakonam to condemn communal murder of Ramailingam

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No representation from PMK in any of the protests even though the deceased used to be PMK urban secretary for many years. Don't even have to talk about other Dravidian and left parties, bloody hypocrites and cowards. The most hated party in the state BJP at the forefront again, taking out rallies, getting arrested, meeting family members, talking loudly about justice and no PC BS.  

 

Online campaign raises Rs 29 lakhs for the victim's kin

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Any developments/justice in the case? Or is the media/state/people still silent?

Tamil people in general are anti-bjp/anti-hindutva/anti-indian/anti-indian. Their ideology is "first Tamil, then Indian.  If any dispute with the centre, most of them would be willing to secede from the country, with the Notion that Tamil is the oldest language/culture in the world(not Sanskrit), they were there before the rest of India, then the BS about aryans, Dravidians etc etc. And they don't really give a **** about these conversion incidents from Muslims and Christians. 

 

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On 2/9/2019 at 5:34 PM, Alam_dar said:

 

 

Brothers, call me what ever you like, I am not even going to answer it. 

 

I only want to tell you the universal truth that extremism is evil, which is some time produces even more damage to humanity than Islam could do. 

 

Look at extremism of Nationalism of Hitler and how millions of Jews were killed due to it. I doubt that any Muslim Ruler slaughtered so many Hindus  in India. 

 

Look at extremist approach of Stalin and how many millions of Russians were killed due to it. I don't think that real communist ideology is so bad, but Stalin made to look it bad due to his extremist behaviour. Again I doubt any Muslim ruler killed so many people as Stalin did. 

 

Just look at the right wing extremism in US, which is supporting Trump. They are not only against Muslims, but many of them are also against Hindus and Indians too. They just make fun of Hindus and their style of speaking. They just hate them and try to humiliate them too. If they get absolute power, then Hindus in US will suffer too for sure. 

 

In India, the right wing Hindus are not only threatening extremist Muslims, but also the moderate Muslims, and also all other minorities are feeling uncomfortable and they fear them and thus oppose them. 

 

India needs political parties which unite the society, and not those who polarize the society and create tensions. A real political party should be able to secular enough that all parts of the society feel themselves comfortable with them. 

This is a small and very simple message of Humanity. I wish every one could understand it. 

 

 

Bhai, the difference between hindu extremists and Muslim extremists is: if a liberal/secular Muslim says what ramalingam said" I am willing to wear tilak and go to temple if u are willing to go to a mosque" the hindu extremists would probably be happy to hear that statement or at the worst case he wouldn't be killed by them!

Now if a liberal hindu or even a liberal Muslim for that matter had said those statements, he would definitely be killed by the Extremist Muslims, which was the case here. 

 

So in your words, even when comparing extremism and fanaticism, there are various degrees. Hinduism, Buddhism etc are definitely the lesser of the evils. 

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