Real McCoy Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gambit said: Break this down to a one on one contest. Tendulkar hammered McGrath in 1996 WC, 2000 CT and 2003 WC group game - yes where he took him for 14 an over before Dravid killed momentum with a 1 (23). McGrath owned Tendulkar in 1999 WC, 2003 final and 2006 CT. You missed one important detail. We lost every game apart from the 2000 CT where Yuvi scored 80+ and we fielded brilliantly. Laaloo 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 His ability to rise to the occasion and make the best of the best appear helpless is something no other bowler can claim. His resume is as complete as it gets, played a big role in winning series everywhere (incl 2004 India), WC performance, Ashes (marquee rivalry), measure over all the ATG batsmen of his era..... I am sure that given a large sample size he would have emerged triumphant over every ATG batsman in the history of the sport...Sobers, Viv, Gavaskar, Border, Chappell, Crowe... literally everyone. His dry, monotonous, patient style was not everyone's cup of tea but damn effective, it is what Peter Roebuck would call- 'like a dentist with a drill'. Ultimate battle of attrition, only equivalents I can find are Nadal on slow, high bouncing clay (Philippe Chatrier) and Carslen in chess. No wonder beating these 3 extraordinary humans in their fields is the pinnacle of their respective disciplines. Their similar playing template is so simple and yet so difficult to best PS- McGrath vs Kohli would have been fun, keh ke leta uski...that 4th/5th stump weakness and McGrath on top of his mark with a 5 man Oz slip+gully cordon, what a bloodbath it would have been. Everyone would eventually meet the same fate but watching Pigeon destroy the brat's ego would have been This is post retirement Pigeon against Warner fresh from his 40 ball 90 against RSA SK_IH and Stradlater 1 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Gambit said: Break this down to a one on one contest. Tendulkar hammered McGrath in 1996 WC, 2000 CT and 2003 WC group game - yes where he took him for 14 an over before Dravid killed momentum with a 1 (23). McGrath owned Tendulkar in 1999 WC, 2003 final and 2006 CT. Clutching at straws there mate. 2003 WC group game, come on !!!! SCORECARD Link to comment
SK_IH Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gambit said: Break this down to a one on one contest. Tendulkar hammered McGrath in 1996 WC, 2000 CT and 2003 WC group game - yes where he took him for 14 an over before Dravid killed momentum with a 1 (23). McGrath owned Tendulkar in 1999 WC, 2003 final and 2006 CT. 96 WC skipped my mind, McGrath must have been hammered there, I didn't watch that live. But surely you can't say Sachin hammered McGrath based on 1over in Centurion Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just now, SK_IH said: 96 WC skipped my mind, McGrath must have been hammered there, I didn't watch that live. But surely you can't say Sachin hammered McGrath based on 1over in Centurion Sachin scored 36(59), Mcgrath 1/23 in 8 overs (3 maidens)..India A.O 125, what a hammering based on 1 over !!!! Pratik77, SK_IH and Real McCoy 3 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 10 years, 450 wickets at avg less than 20. Gollum, Real McCoy and SK_IH 3 Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 @velu as I said. Real McCoy 1 Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Gollum said: His ability to rise to the occasion and make the best of the best appear helpless is something no other bowler can claim. His resume is as complete as it gets, played a big role in winning series everywhere (incl 2004 India), WC performance, Ashes (marquee rivalry), measure over all the ATG batsmen of his era..... I am sure that given a large sample size he would have emerged triumphant over every ATG batsman in the history of the sport...Sobers, Viv, Gavaskar, Border, Chappell, Crowe... literally everyone. His dry, monotonous, patient style was not everyone's cup of tea but damn effective, it is what Peter Roebuck would call- 'like a dentist with a drill'. Ultimate battle of attrition, only equivalents I can find are Nadal on slow, high bouncing clay (Philippe Chatrier) and Carslen in chess. No wonder beating these 3 extraordinary humans in their fields is the pinnacle of their respective disciplines. Their similar playing template is so simple and yet so difficult to best PS- McGrath vs Kohli would have been fun, keh ke leta uski...that 4th/5th stump weakness and McGrath on top of his mark with a 5 man Oz slip+gully cordon, what a bloodbath it would have been. Everyone would eventually meet the same fate but watching Pigeon destroy the brat's ego would have been This is post retirement Pigeon against Warner fresh from his 40 ball 90 against RSA Not sure about these guys though. Kohli, Root, Willaimson and Smith would be toast though. Laaloo 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just now, Real McCoy said: Not sure about these guys though. Kohli, Root, Willaimson and Smith would be toast though. Hadlee, Garner and Ambose gave them enough grief, no reason why Pigeon wouldn't. Sobers played in the era of flattest test wickets in the world. Real McCoy 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gollum said: @velu as I said. That ball at 18:10 was one the best i have seen. World Cup 1999 match i guess. Real McCoy, SK_IH and Gollum 3 Link to comment
Number Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) Closest to the ideal bowler one could create using Robotics and ML. His biggest weapon was his immense control and intensity throughout the innings. Though I would take Wasim and Ambrose in my team over him, too mechanical for my liking. Regarding battles in big game vs Sachin he got better when he had scoreboard pressure in 99 and 2003. In 1996 world cup( moderate total) and 2000 CT Sachin dominated him. Regarding bi-trilateral ODIs McGrath was better in Australia and Sachin dominated him in India 2001. Edited February 9, 2019 by Number Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Keep the tissue paper nearby and enjoy. Laaloo and Real McCoy 1 1 Link to comment
Gambit Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, Gollum said: Sachin scored 36(59), Mcgrath 1/23 in 8 overs (3 maidens)..India A.O 125, what a hammering based on 1 over !!!! Agree. I was giving some one on one context that when the game started McGrath got taken for 14 runs by Tendulkar and things were looking good until Dravid batted inexplicably. Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Gambit said: Agree. I was giving some one on one context that when the game started McGrath got taken for 14 runs by Tendulkar and things were looking good until Dravid batted inexplicably. Sachin could not have taken those 14 runs off of Mcgrath when Dravid was at the other end. It was after Sehwag got out that Dravid came in and batted cautiously Laaloo and Gollum 1 1 Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gollum said: And LOL at Sachin forgetting about his masters (McGrath, Anderson, Murali, Pollock, FD Villiers ...) and picking Cronje as the toughest bowler he faced. Besharmi ki bhi hadd hoti hai yaar. How petty can a person get to downplay his lifelong nemesis? It will be like Anand calling Nakamura his toughest opponent and not Kasparov, or Federer rating Kuerten as a tougher rival than Djokodal. Sachin neither disses an opposition player nor praises his rivals. yes, he is miserly with praise. He hardly said anything memorable about Lara, McGrath, Waugh, Warne etc... whereas all his era bowlers like Donald, Ambrose, McGrath, Warne, Murali heaped massive praises on him. Later, when they realised that he doesnt play the "reciprocation game" they shifted their viewpoints about their favourite batsmen too. At one point of time, Warne said that Sachin is the greatest but recently he said that it was actually Lara. Lara once said that he would like his son to grow up and become Sachin. This is a massive praise coming from a guy who was accused of superiority complex by his own teammates. Whereas when Sachin was asked to say something about Lara he just said that "Lara was probably one of the best batsmen in my era", which is more like stating a fact than a genuine heartfelt praise. Kallis is another guy who hardly praises others. A bit like Sachin. You cannot really find fault with Sachin or Kallis because they are not bitter people. They are too alpha for their own good. Dont give a S**t about other's opinion kind of guys. Edited February 9, 2019 by Temujin Khaghan Tendulkar1996 1 Link to comment
velu Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 robelinda is the master of clickbait titles .. Real McCoy and Gollum 1 1 Link to comment
velu Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, Temujin Khaghan said: Kallis is another guy who hardly praises others. A bit like Sachin. You cannot really find fault with Sachin or Kallis because they are not bitter people. They are too alpha for their own good. Dont give a S**t about other's opinion kind of guys. sachin is more like think twice before speaking a word kind of guy .. sachin hardly said anything about mi and mipaltan as well .. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 best cricketer in world for me Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I posted it few years back on ICF. Among all modern bowler, McGrath probably has highest (or 2nd highest) percentage of top order dismissal. Akram has highest lower order dismissal. Gollum 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share Posted February 9, 2019 Joy on the faces of gilly & pointing was absolutely amazing. Miss those days. Link to comment
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