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11 minutes ago, Number said:

Not a good move. Why is BJP conceding all the centerist space to leftist parties and giving ammo to already charged self proclaimed defenders of constitution. 

Imagine someone like Madani fighting elections on Congress ticket after acquittal from court. Won't we all be furious ?

Also, does this Sadhvi has any vision or plan for development of Bhopal ? I don't think so. Then after 5 years on what basis you are going to ask for votes when she faces anti-incumbency ?

A local candidate who has worked for the party and for the district would have easily been a better candidate.

Yes, help her with her cases and further defamation against INC and allow her to work on her image but giving her an MP ticket is sacrificing a constituency and its development.

Agree with you. This is a disgraceful decision. She still has cases pending, some serious ones, out on bail presently. Let the judicial process conclude, as bad as Left fielding Madani :facepalm:. What credentials does she have to be an MP? 

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1 hour ago, Number said:

Not a good move. Why is BJP conceding all the centerist space to leftist parties and giving ammo to already charged self proclaimed defenders of constitution. 

Imagine someone like Madani fighting elections on Congress ticket after acquittal from court. Won't we all be furious ?

Also, does this Sadhvi has any vision or plan for development of Bhopal ? I don't think so. Then after 5 years on what basis you are going to ask for votes when she faces anti-incumbency ?

A local candidate who has worked for the party and for the district would have easily been a better candidate.

Yes, help her with her cases and further defamation against INC and allow her to work on her image but giving her an MP ticket is sacrificing a constituency and its development.

I disagree, in MP elections , local devlopment doesn't become such a big issue, but national issues take center stage. Agreed, there could be a better local candidate, but playing centrist for dev policy of Chauhan, BJP lost MP. It's time to consolidate the base in whereever possible. Esp, it is time to defeat the inner coterie of Sonia/Rahul - Ahmed Patel, Diggi etc. They need to take a risk and who else can rub DIggi, other than the one who he accused and one got acquitted. Left/Lutyens jaye bhaad mein, it is time to play the Hindu card in MP. Congis are on a big soft hindutva drive, they will not go after Sadhvi's Hinduness.

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36 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I disagree, in MP elections , local devlopment doesn't become such a big issue, but national issues take center stage. Agreed, there could be a better local candidate, but playing centrist for dev policy of Chauhan, BJP lost MP. It's time to consolidate the base in whereever possible. Esp, it is time to defeat the inner coterie of Sonia/Rahul - Ahmed Patel, Diggi etc. They need to take a risk and who else can rub DIggi, other than the one who he accused and one got acquitted. Left/Lutyens jaye bhaad mein, it is time to play the Hindu card in MP. Congis are on a big soft hindutva drive, they will not go after Sadhvi's Hinduness.

Don't think BJP lost by playing centrist. anti-incumbency was high against sitting MLAs after 15 years.

Digvijay Singh today is as irrelevant as it can get. Why give him unnecessary fodder.

Moreover there are cases running against her if anything gets proven it will be a serious loss of face for rational nationalists who support BJP. 

However BJP probably knows better than us. To get the RSS cadres moving in the state, they might have done this or for some other reasons we can't see. 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Gollum said:

As a BJP supporter I am disgusted by the choice of candidate in Bhopal, I hate Diggy Piggy but the city deserves better. 

Oh Bhai this is indeed a good decision,you don't know what that lady went through,not Just Jail but lots of harrassment,more importantly she is a very good orator,jiske bhashan sun ke logo ke raungate Khade ho jaate thay,she was tortured, lie detector was done on her where she came clean reason was given since she is a Sanyasi so she might have controlled her Beats what kind of logic is this,the whole Hindu atankwaad was created around her and asimanand, IMHO BJP has done good by fielding her, Yes she is New yes she doesn't know much about politics but she is here to fight the guy who was responsible for the trauma she went through.

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Most importantly this is done to consolidate Hindu votes, remember one thing her arrest was a Big news in Hindi heartland, and when she was acquitted it was considered justice to Hindu And she gained lots of sympathy, Just look at the burn liberandus are having Plus opposition.

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13 minutes ago, vayuu1 said:

Oh Bhai this is indeed a good decision,you don't know what that lady went through,not Just Jail but lots of harrassment,more importantly she is a very good orator,jiske bhashan sun ke logo ke raungate Khade ho jaate thay,she was tortured, lie detector was done on her where she came clean reason was given since she is a Sanyasi so she might have controlled her Beats what kind of logic is this,the whole Hindu atankwaad was created around her and asimanand, IMHO BJP has done good by fielding her, Yes she is New yes she doesn't know much about politics but she is here to fight the guy who was responsible for the trauma she went through.

Bhai she isn't acquitted yet in Malegaon blasts case, merely out on bail. And terrorism is a serious offence, sorry can't support that. What if Congress puts up a Muslim candidate for polls accused of terrorism, or CPM fielding an alleged Naxalite, will your reaction be the same? Sorry she has to clear her name first, no compromise on national security. I am not ruling out the possibility of her being framed by certain people but there is a process one has to go through. Imagine if she does become MP and 3 years later is found guilty in the case, what message will that send? I am sure BJP had much better, cleaner candidates from Bhopal. 

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BJP must strive to be a better party than Congress, BJP supporters have to hold them to higher standards. We support them mainly due to lack of a better alternative but they shouldn't be spared of criticism when they mess up. 

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1 minute ago, Gollum said:

BJP must strive to be a better party than Congress, BJP supporters have to hold them to higher standards. We support them mainly due to lack of a better alternative but they shouldn't be spared of criticism when they mess up. 

Thats very incorrect. BJP supporters cannot be the “nice guys”, you dont win anything with it. Ruthless is important. While the opposition today is filled with prejudice, and vengeance. 

 

Actually the same thing is said about Hindus. They are told to be “neutrals”, not to express themselves, compromise and accept everything. And this mindset is a big reason why we are losing the narrative battle.  

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Thats very incorrect. BJP supporters cannot be the “nice guys”, you dont win anything with it. Ruthless is important. While the opposition today is filled with prejudice, and vengeance. 

 

Actually the same thing is said about Hindus. They are told to be “neutrals”, not to express themselves, compromise and accept everything. And this mindset is a big reason why we are losing the narrative battle.  

BJP is very strong on national security and anti-terrorism matters. How can they put up someone who is yet to be acquitted for terrorism related offences? I am not asking BJP supporters to be the nice guys, we have to be ruthless especially in difficult terrain like Bengal, Kerala, Assam etc but that doesn't mean abandoning one's core principles. If opposition hits us hard, we will hit them hard, with ruthlessness...if needed take the initiative in some places. But putting a potential terrorist as candidate is stupidity and myopia, by all means let her be acquitted of all charges and contest in 2024 or 2029. If opposition puts up a candidate like Madani or some alleged Kashmiri militant for LS seat we lose the right to protest, imagine that scenario. 

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14 minutes ago, ProudLiberal said:

Where do these bhakts get all this baggage from? Who are "they" who tell hindus to be this or that? You do understand that hindus are not a monolithic group, just because you have chip on your shoulder because of the whatsapp narrative that has been fed to your simplistic mind over the last five years doesnt mean there is some big conspiracy against hindus going on. India is 80 percent hindu and it is never going to be islamic but still small hearted bhakts are scared of islamization and cant think above hindu muslim. 

When the agenda of election should be about development and progress these bhakts are talking about hindu vote, muslim vote, how far has the narrative fallen?

Typical gawars who cant rise above communal politics

Sure, when places such a RAMpur (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampur,_Uttar_Pradesh) are 28% Hindu, 70% Islamic, how can India ever become Islamic....even if it does, one can always convert from Hinduism or flee india, isn't it? So, caste politics zindabad for now? And Let's flood Jammu with Rohingyas for starters.

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Wish BJP focuses more on development agenda, the Hindutva card is being overplayed. This is an aspirational nation with a huge underachieving young population, besides they came to power in 2014 largely on the promise of development.  Frankly bored of this religion/caste nonsense day in and day out, because of the state of the nation/national politics such discussion is inevitable but can't be 24x7 business. BJP has made many improvements on the ground the last 5 years, developed ideas, implemented schemes/policies etc...why not focus on the good work? 

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22 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

 

 

Its because of these fake “neutrals” that Hindus are losing the perception and narrative battle. There is huge hinduphobia done by these fake neutrals Journalists, news outlets, NGOs. So for example, Wiki is highly controlled and filled with Hinduphobia people. 

 

We are the only country those own studies in controlled by the west. Thus our education is filled with Hinduphobia.

 

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Once you set a precedent the bar too is set. 5 years ago I never imagined Yogi would be a CM, today it is normal and no one will bat an eyelid if a Mahant or Imam becomes CM. Similarly a precedent has been set by fielding Sadhvi Pragya as a LS candidate, this opens a Pandora's box which isn't good for the country. Tomorrow all parties will be well within their rights to field terror accused candidates and no one can logically refute that because precedent has been set. This isn't good for Indian democracy. 

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