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Biggest Match Winners in Tests

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  1. 1. Who is the biggest match winner in tests?

    • Bradman
    • Sobers
    • Hadlee
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    • Tough to pick among the 3
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  • Poll closes on 04/02/2019 at 12:31 AM

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Bradman (though played for a strong side, which is among the ATG sides) 

 

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  Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0  
unfiltered 1928-1948 52 80 10 6996 334 99.94 29 13 7 Profile
filtered 1929-1948 30 43 6 4813 299* 130.08 23 4 3

 

  • Avg of 130
  • 23 100s in just 43 innings 

 

 

Sobers (played for a relatively weak team. Eventually making it strong) 

 

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  Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff  
unfiltered 1954-1974 93 8032 365* 57.78 26 235 6/73 34.03 6 109 0 23.74 Profile
filtered 1956-1974 31 3097 365* 77.42 12 104 6/73 24.04 3 58 0 53.37

 

  • Batting avg of 77, bowling avg of 24 

 

 

 

Hadlee (played for NZ, which won mainly because of Hadlee) 

 

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  Span Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10  
unfiltered 1973-1990 86 150 21918 9611 431 9/52 15/123 22.29 2.63 50.8 36 9 Profile
filtered 1974-1990 22 44 5808 2261 173 9/52 15/123 13.06 2.33 33.5 17 8

 

  • Bowling avg of 13, SR of 33
  • In 17 matches NZ played w/o Hadlee in the period, it lost 9 and drew 8 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Nikola said:

Bradman and it's not even close. Played with avg side but still won them matches single handedly.

Isn't Brandman's team among the top 3 or so ATG sides? :hmmm:

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Just now, Nikola said:

which side? pre or post worldwar.

I only recall that one of the Bradman's side was ATG side before WI came up with that amazing team 

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1 minute ago, zen said:

I only recall that one of the Bradman's side was ATG side before WI came up with that amazing team 

i read it somewhere along with stats that he played with avg side. I am not sure which side it was like early 30s or 47-48 side.

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But just 3 players? What about players like murali or ashwin who are great in home conditions and genuine match winners?

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;result=1;template=results;type=bowling

 

I am surprised by kumble's stats in won matches. Kallis averages 62 with bat & 24 with ball in wins. 

 

Ricky Ponting has just 4 centuries in loss out of 41 in test matches. 37 Came in Draw & Win. Kallis has just 3 centuries in loss out of 45!

 

Personally i think you can't pick out any one player from different era. For each era you can pick the biggest match winner but that too depends like if you have team like murali had then you will get most wickets as spinner or ashwin being biggest match winner in asian conditions.

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20 minutes ago, Nikola said:

But just 3 players? What about players like murali or ashwin who are great in home conditions and genuine match winners?

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;result=1;template=results;type=bowling

 

I am surprised by kumble's stats in won matches. Kallis averages 62 with bat & 24 with ball in wins. 

 

Ricky Ponting has just 4 centuries in loss out of 41 in test matches. 37 Came in Draw & Win. Kallis has just 3 centuries in loss out of 45!

 

Personally i think you can't pick out any one player from different era. For each era you can pick the biggest match winner but that too depends like if you have team like murali had then you will get most wickets as spinner or ashwin being biggest match winner in asian conditions.

In terms of avgs (batsmen and bowlers), these 3 are the best since 1900 in their respective categories 

 

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Vs peers

 

 

Bradman

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Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending 100 50 0  
DG Bradman 1929-1948 30 43 6 4813 299* 130.08 23 4 3 investigate this query
SG Barnes 1946-1948 10 14 1 920 234 70.76 3 5 1 investigate this query
WH Ponsford 1930-1934 12 18 2 1080 266 67.50 4 3 0 investigate this query

 

  • Bradman is 1.83x away from #2 

 

 

Sobers 

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Player Span Mat Runs HS Bat AvDescending 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff  
GS Sobers 1956-1974 31 3097 365* 77.42 12 104 6/73 24.04 3 58 0 53.37 investigate this query
RB Kanhai 1958-1974 27 2404 256 58.63 5 0 - - 0 17 0 - investigate this query
SM Nurse 1961-1969 10 873 168 54.56 2 0 - - 0 12 0 - investigate this query
CC Hunte 1958-1967 22 1744 260 51.29 6 0 - - 0 9 0 - investigate this query
BF Butcher 1958-1969 16 1174 209* 51.04 3 - - - - 8 0 - investigate this query
JS Solomon 1958-1965 14 692 96 36.42 0 2 1/23 49.00 0 7 0 -12.57 investigate this query
OG Smith 1956-1959 10 292 64 24.33 0 23 4/71 23.95 0 4 0 0.37 investigate this query
WW Hall 1958-1969 21 306 50* 15.30 0 90 6/49 20.47 6 6 0 -5.17 investigate this query
CC Griffith 1963-1968 11 139 30 13.90 0 39 6/36 21.79 2 7 0 -7.89 investigate this query
LR Gibbs 1958-1974 28 177 22 6.80 0 144 8/38 19.14 13 28 0 -12.33 investigate this query

 

  • Only good AR in the team 
  • Batting avg is 1.31x away from #2 

 

 

Hadlee

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Player Span Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM AveAscending Econ SR 5 10  
Sir RJ Hadlee 1974-1990 22 44 5808 2261 173 9/52 15/123 13.06 2.33 33.5 17 8 investigate this query
EJ Chatfield 1983-1988 12 24 2760 988 52 5/63 7/81 19.00 2.14 53.0 2 0 investigate this query
JG Bracewell 1983-1990 10 18 1580 675 35 6/32 10/106 19.28 2.56 45.1 3 1 investigate this query
BL Cairns 1976-1985 12 24 2878 1130 48 7/74 10/144 23.54 2.35 59.9 2 1 investigate this query
MC Snedden 1981-1990 8 16 1580 649 24 5/68 5/77 27.04 2.46 65.8 1 0

 

  • In terms of bowling avg, #2 is 1.46x away from Hadlee 
  •  Hadlee's SR is 33.5 

 

 

Will vote for Bradman 

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2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bowlers win matches generally unless the pitch is overly favoring bowlers like the WI pitch where Dravid scored twin fifties

That is a separate discussion. The thread is about picking one of the 3 whose records in wins are listed :dontknow:

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We usually overlook match winners from

average to middle level teams especially when it is winning at home for example India in the 90s

 

India used to white wash most teams at home for fun thanks to Kumble.

 

From memory I can remember white wash of England,Australia,Zimbabwe,Srilanka etc etc that’s probably 10 tests right there.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, maniac said:

We usually overlook match winners from

average to middle level teams especially when it is winning at home for example India in the 90s

 

India used to white wash most teams at home for fun thanks to Kumble.

 

From memory I can remember white wash of England,Australia,Zimbabwe,Srilanka etc etc that’s probably 10 tests right there.

 

 

Kumble was good but not even in top 30 -> Link

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16 minutes ago, zen said:

Kumble was good but not even in top 30 -> Link

Criteria is subjective. Let us take Australia for example. Everyone says Hayden,Ponting, Warne,McGrath but for me the difference maker was Gilchrist. He would take middling scores like 130/5 to 300+ in no time or 300/5 would be 500

in no time and the bowlers would wrap up the opposition.

 

Every test that Sl won during their non minnow phase from 1996-2012 was due to Murali and every test then since Herath but the Victory quantity might not be as much as Bradman because  he had to play against only 2-3 teams.

 

In mid 90s no test playing was an outright minnow including Zimbabwe when even they had 2-3 match winners. South Africa who missed 3 decades where a top tier team.Toughest era for me.

 

So you can’t pick black and white stats to call

some one the greatest match winner.

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, maniac said:

Criteria is subjective. Let us take Australia for example. Everyone says Hayden,Ponting, Warne,McGrath but for me the difference maker was Gilchrist. He would take middling scores like 130/5 to 300+ in no time or 300/5 would be 500

in no time and the bowlers would wrap up the opposition.

 

Every test that Sl won during their non minnow phase from 1996-2012 was due to Murali and every test then since Herath but the Victory quantity might not be as much as Bradman because  he had to play against only 2-3 teams.

 

In mid 90s no test playing was an outright minnow including Zimbabwe when even they had 2-3 match winners. South Africa who

missed 3 decades where a top tier team.Toughest era for me.

 

So you can’t pick black and white stats to call

some one the greatest match winner.

The difference should show in stats too otherwise the player is just among many other contributors .... there are so many good players but the 3 here (even though you may not support them or want to squeeze in some Ind player) are at the top (does not imply other players are not good)

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