Muloghonto Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Mods, feel free to merge this thread with the Kashmir bombing tread, if it seems relevant enough. I however, want to discuss the ideas, strategies, etc. on how to once and for all solve Kashmir with 370 repeal and a total, comprehensive demographic swamping project. This thread is to discuss the multi-faceted way Kashmir can be solved: 1. What does it take to repeal article 370: a) The election scenarios of Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha that opens the 'window' to repeal of 370 b) Dealing with the verdict ( Cannot remember if it was the Supreme Court or some special comission) that ruled 370 cannot ever be repealed 2. Repealing 370 alone wont be enough and infact, doing only repeal of 370 will be a sure-fire way of losing Kashmir. This has to be combined with a comprehensive plan of demographic swamping. Under what scenarios can we incentivize Indians ( preferrably non-muslims) moving to a volatile region and remaining there - this *has* to be more than just military families and such. velu and chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post beetle Posted February 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just do it. It is no ones business other than kashmiris.Muslims from rest of India have only as much stake as any other Indian. They should stand by the govt and support it. In kashmir only the muslim population will have issues...not the hindu and buddhist. Most kashmiri muslims already have issues.....on varying levels. Talk to the ones who listen and rest deal with the way we are dealing with it now. If kashmiri hindus and nonkashmiris married to kashmiri women are allowed to settle down in kashmir, a lot of imbalance created by the hindus and sikhs being forced out will be reversed. Allow people who have served in kashmir to settle there and then in 15 years the problem will be sorted out. It is for the greater good of the country. Country should not be held hostage to this article. AuxiliA, randomGuy, chewy and 7 others 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Allowing major factories open in Kashmir with waiver to bring thousands of labourers from other regions of India Give these labourers full.rights to own property, agriculture land and vote in Kashmir local and national elections. Any attack on these factories or labourers should be used as pretext to purge out any nasty elements with Kashmir, unleash both military and justice system Obvioulsy there will.noise from international media and left wingers in India, but any purge of these terrorists can be justified protecting civilians Stradlater, Real McCoy and Straight Drive 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Flood the valley with Pandeys and Thakurs from UP. Allow them to form militias and supply them with arms. Sit back and watch the tamasha to get unfold. maniac, chewy and Real McCoy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, chewy said: Allowing major factories open in Kashmir with waiver to bring thousands of labourers from other regions of India Give these labourers full.rights to own property, agriculture land and vote in Kashmir local and national elections. Any attack on these factories or labourers should be used as pretext to purge out any nasty elements with Kashmir, unleash both military and justice system Obvioulsy there will.noise from international media and left wingers in India, but any purge of these terrorists can be justified protecting civilians India is too strong to worry about international media. Which country other than a few islamic ones care for kashmir ? Which country is willing to take the terrorists as refugees? The whole world is suffering from islamic terrorism .No one will care except our stuck in the 70s world govt machinery. Why the * do we care about what others think? Does America care? Does China care? Does Russia care? The middle east is no longer the economic power they were...they can stuff their reaction in their backside. We can deal with whatever happens if we the people stand by the decision . Sgattick10 and Real McCoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 If today bjp does away with this article...I ,as a citizen will give bjp next 10 years to deal with this problem. I will vote for them this time and the next election too. Just show the guts to do away with this **** once and for all. Real McCoy, AK007 and maniac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, beetle said: India is too strong to worry about international media. Which country other than a few islamic ones care for kashmir ? Which country is willing to take the terrorists as refugees? The whole world is suffering from islamic terrorism .No one will care except our stuck in the 70s world govt machinery. Why the * do we care about what others think? Does America care? Does China care? Does Russia care? The middle east is no longer the economic power they were...they can stuff their reaction in their backside. We can deal with whatever happens if we the people stand by the decision . India is one of the largest oil importers from Middle East. Dollars>Ummah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Stradlater said: India is one of the largest oil importers from Middle East. Dollars>Ummah And still we bow to their opinion. We are really lame woth our foreign policy. Stradlater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 6 hours ago, chewy said: Allowing major factories open in Kashmir with waiver to bring thousands of labourers from other regions of India Give these labourers full.rights to own property, agriculture land and vote in Kashmir local and national elections. Any attack on these factories or labourers should be used as pretext to purge out any nasty elements with Kashmir, unleash both military and justice system Obvioulsy there will.noise from international media and left wingers in India, but any purge of these terrorists can be justified protecting civilians The bolded part won't work. Its not like there is a ban on major factories in Kashmir. The problem is, when terrorism is rife, businesses dont want to invest time and energy there. Who the * wants to spend crores of rupees making a factory only to see a car bomb rammed through it ? Also skilled workers are not attracted to war zones or dangerous volatile areas. someone and Real McCoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Its demographics that needs to be changed to start any progress there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 4 hours ago, someone said: Its demographics that needs to be changed to start any progress there.... Yes, but how ? We cant just flood the state with 5 million people who are going to sit around and do nothing. We need to create industry there, but first and foremost for creating industry is air-tight security. When China started to demographically flood Xinjiang ( 40 years ago, Han Chinese population of Xinjiang was ~ 10%, which is the historic average. Now it stands at 39%. But in order to accomplish this, China provided a crap ton of jobs (mostly mining industry) along with crap ton of security forces to keep everyone safe. So how does India make Kashmir safe ?!? if its not safe, Indians are not gonna be wanna there in the first place. sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 22 hours ago, Stradlater said: India is one of the largest oil importers from Middle East. Dollars>Ummah Oil isn't as much of a problem nowadays. Sanctioned countries like Iran & Venezuela are desperate to sell more to India and the sanctioner is the largest producer of oil as well. The bigger concern with middle East is the Indians employed there and India's dependence on their employment & foreign currency inflow. Still, I believe the external challenges can be absorbed. The internal challenges of legislation, security & providing the motivation for relocation are much bigger. Stradlater and Real McCoy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Forceful settlement is the way to go like Isreal. Give incentives to migrants from bihar, up, kerala who are looking for jobs , move them to kashmir. Increase police and army presence and militia to fight back fire with fire. Bhaad mein jaaye humanitarian crisis wrist slitters . future gen will be thankful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) First kill the troublemaker Kashmiris and potential threats, put the remaining in Xinjiang like camps. This way hardly any Kashmiri will be out there on the street, flood the area with migrants especially the ones with martial lineage and hatred for Muslims....not the cowardly Bengalis or peacenik Southies. Don't care what the rest of the world thinks, majority Kashmiris are on the enemy side....genocide sprinkled with human rights violation is the only way to move forward. Need information blackout in the state, then proceed to slaughter the pigs. This is a radical solution but the only one. Solve the problem for once and for all, 4 million Kashmiri Muslims in the valley. They can be managed if we shed our inhibitions.....call me crazy but do tell me if you have a better, more practical solution. And no I don't have conscience or humanity when it comes to Kashmiris, very very very few good ones may suffer but it's for the greater good. Break 'em, crush 'em, make their forefathers shiver in their graves.... Edited February 18, 2019 by Gollum DHONI_FANN and Stradlater 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Forceful settlement is the way to go like Isreal. Give incentives to migrants from bihar, up, kerala who are looking for jobs , move them to kashmir. Increase police and army presence and militia to fight back fire with fire. Bhaad mein jaaye humanitarian crisis wrist slitters . future gen will be thankful. Please not those submissive, low self-esteem, pseudo intellectual Mallus. First thing they'll do is revive the movement. Edited February 18, 2019 by Gollum Stradlater, DHONI_FANN, coffee_rules and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Gollum said: Please not those submissive, low self-esteem, pseudo intellectual Mallus. First thing they'll do is revive the movement. Only non muslims..need to normalize the demographics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 2/17/2019 at 11:48 AM, coffee_rules said: Forceful settlement is the way to go like Isreal. Give incentives to migrants from bihar, up, kerala who are looking for jobs , move them to kashmir. Increase police and army presence and militia to fight back fire with fire. Bhaad mein jaaye humanitarian crisis wrist slitters . future gen will be thankful. Kaun jayega vahan pe marne or to live under fear 24 hours. Migraine settlement isn't practical at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: Kaun jayega vahan pe marne or to live under fear 24 hours. Migraine settlement isn't practical at all. Log taiyyar bethe hai is overpopulated country me. Incentive do to sahi ek bar and watch how the demographics change within a decade. DHONI_FANN and Gollum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Kaun jayega vahan pe marne or to live under fear 24 hours. Migraine settlement isn't practical at all. First mass wipe out, then concentration camps, phir bhejo logon ko. Set up industrial townships, services, large scale plantations/orchards....bahut berozgar log ghar mein baithe hain....they will give their limbs for a job. Edited February 18, 2019 by Gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollack Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Gollum said: First mass wipe out, then concentration camps, phir bhejo logon ko. Set up industrial townships, services, large scale plantations/orchards....bahut unemployed log ghar mein baithe hain....they will give their limbs for a job. Concentration camps in 21st century. Are you serious? Humanity at its worst again ? No, thanks. We are capable of much better solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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