zen Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Link Rohit Sharma In The 16 Innings When He Has Scored ODI Hundreds* Score Range Runs BF SR BpB BpS <=50 811 987 80.33 10.6 75.9 >50, <=100 802 721 107.37 7.8 26.7 >100 767 415 184.82 3.6 9.7 Overall 2380 2123 112.11 7.1 25.6 Rohit Sharma In The 10 Innings When He Has Scored ODI Hundreds In 1st Inngs* Score Range Runs BF SR BpB BpS <=50 505 652 77.45 13 65.2 >50, <=100 499 433 115.24 7.5 25.5 >100 612 299 204.68 3.1 8.3 Overall 1616 1384 116.76 6.8 22.0 ^ the above analysis is based on the 100s he scored. Key Takeaways 1. Scores at a SR of 80 or less for his first 50 runs. At that SR, a team would score 240 runs 2. Only picks up once he crosses 50 3. Does justice to his "talent" once he crosses 100 Career stars to date Records type batting analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s overall 2007-2019 201 195 31 7808 264 47.60 8840 88.32 22 39 12 681 215 P Putting 2 & 2 together 1. In 69% of the games, he scores less than 50. Which means that in those games his SR would be 80 or less 2. In 20% of the games, his SR is 100 or more. This is 1/5 games 3. In 11% of the games, his SR is phenomenal .... But it is 1 in 9 games Applying this to the WC Group Games 1. Could go with a SR of 80 or less in 6 of the 9 games (And this 6 games could be vs major teams) 2. Could hit 2 50s where his SR could be 100+ (Could be vs. SL and Pak) 3. Could hit 1 100 at a phenomenal SR (Could be vs BD) Question 1. In 2019 WC, where par scores are expected to be 300+, Can Ind afford to waste PPs overs in possibly 6 of the 9 group games? Discuss Suhaan, manu4411, mancalledsting and 2 others 5 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 This is a known problem for him. He is a slow starter. Thankfully our bowlers do a good job restricting the opposition. When the opposition scores 300 plus he cannot start slowly. Link to comment
zen Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) As an opener: 58% of the time, scores less than 50 23% of the time, scores above 50 19% of the time, scores above 100 That is still 5 out of 9 games where PP could be wasted (and possibly vs top teams) Edited February 17, 2019 by zen Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Dude you want someone like roy or guptill who will fluke boundaries against trundlers and score quick fire fifties. Rohit is 2nd ranked odi batsman for reason. You can discredit him in t20 for his method but in odis he is perfectly fine. Don't tell me you want pant to replace him who has done nothing than slogging every single ball. Rohit & Dhawan both have scored more runs than kohli in 2013 ct, 2015 worldcup, 2017 ct & both were top scorer in asia cup too. Better shut up now. VT87, manu4411, putrevus and 3 others 1 1 1 3 Link to comment
zen Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: This is a known problem for him. He is a slow starter. Thankfully our bowlers do a good job restricting the opposition. When the opposition scores 300 plus he cannot start slowly. If we use Eng as a benchmark as the WC is in Eng .... Since 1 Jan 2016, Eng has been going at 6.40 RPO View overall figures [change view] Primary team England Home or away home venue Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2016 Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by matches won (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 1 of 1 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS England 2016-2018 32 25 4 1 2 6.250 48.85 6.40 32 481 15 In the same period, other teams vs Eng (min 2 games) View overall figures [change view] Opposition team England Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2016 Totals in terms of batting team Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 2 Ordered by average runs per six balls (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 7 of 7 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS South Africa 2017-2017 3 1 2 0 0 0.500 41.72 6.06 3 328 267 West Indies 2017-2017 5 0 4 0 1 0.000 36.43 6.03 4 356 245 Australia 2017-2018 6 0 6 0 0 0.000 27.17 5.82 6 310 205 Pakistan 2016-2017 6 2 4 0 0 0.500 36.95 5.58 6 304 251 Sri Lanka 2016-2016 5 0 3 1 1 0.000 32.37 5.51 5 305 202 India 2018-2018 3 1 2 0 0 0.500 38.05 5.42 3 269 236 Ireland 2017-2017 2 0 2 0 0 0.000 18.45 4.66 2 243 126 Link to comment
zen Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nikola said: Dude you want someone like roy or guptill who will fluke boundaries against trundlers and score quick fire fifties. Rohit is 2nd ranked odi batsman for reason. You can discredit him in t20 for his method but in odis he is perfectly fine. Don't tell me you want pant to replace him who has done nothing than slogging every single ball. Rohit & Dhawan both have scored more runs than kohli in 2013 ct, 2015 worldcup, 2017 ct & both were top scorer in asia cup too. Better shut up now. don't troll Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, zen said: If we use Eng as a benchmark as the WC is in Eng .... Since 1 Jan 2016, Eng has been going at 6.40 RPO View overall figures [change view] Primary team England Home or away home venue Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2016 Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by matches won (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 1 of 1 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS England 2016-2018 32 25 4 1 2 6.250 48.85 6.40 32 481 15 In the same period, other teams vs Eng (min 2 games) View overall figures [change view] Opposition team England Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2016 Totals in terms of batting team Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 2 Ordered by average runs per six balls (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 7 of 7 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS South Africa 2017-2017 3 1 2 0 0 0.500 41.72 6.06 3 328 267 West Indies 2017-2017 5 0 4 0 1 0.000 36.43 6.03 4 356 245 Australia 2017-2018 6 0 6 0 0 0.000 27.17 5.82 6 310 205 Pakistan 2016-2017 6 2 4 0 0 0.500 36.95 5.58 6 304 251 Sri Lanka 2016-2016 5 0 3 1 1 0.000 32.37 5.51 5 305 202 India 2018-2018 3 1 2 0 0 0.500 38.05 5.42 3 269 236 Ireland 2017-2017 2 0 2 0 0 0.000 18.45 4.66 2 243 126 Where were england's quick fire openers during india series? All went hiding and we were without main bowler. If not root's hundred they would have lost even odi series like they lost t20 series. Attacking trundlers or poor bowlers which guptill, finch, roy, hales and other batsman are master at & when they are to face best bowlers they go on hiding. Why don't you go deep and put all stats together of them? Even Kane williamson who is considered as underrated batsman is most overhyped player in world cricket right now. Edited February 17, 2019 by Nikola Link to comment
zen Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 Since 2016, when Rohit has scored less than 50 his SR is Rahane level! View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2016 Runs scored less than or equal to 49 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 100 Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 13 of 13 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s HH Pandya 2016-2019 41 25 4 438 45 20.85 403 108.68 0 0 2 30 19 KM Jadhav 2016-2019 45 26 10 455 41 28.43 451 100.88 0 0 2 42 11 RA Jadeja 2016-2019 26 15 6 186 25 20.66 206 90.29 0 0 0 11 1 S Dhawan 2016-2019 35 35 0 708 49 20.22 788 89.84 0 0 2 106 8 MK Pandey 2016-2018 20 15 4 215 36* 19.54 270 79.62 0 0 2 21 2 MS Dhoni 2016-2019 57 39 10 770 49* 26.55 982 78.41 0 0 2 56 13 V Kohli 2016-2019 25 25 3 558 46* 25.36 712 78.37 0 0 2 47 3 Yuvraj Singh 2017-2017 9 8 1 169 45 24.14 218 77.52 0 0 0 17 3 AT Rayudu 2016-2019 15 13 6 267 47 38.14 352 75.85 0 0 2 27 3 B Kumar 2016-2019 47 17 6 218 32* 19.81 288 75.69 0 0 1 18 3 KD Karthik 2017-2019 18 15 6 311 44 34.55 421 73.87 0 0 2 27 3 RG Sharma 2016-2019 32 32 0 430 48 13.43 656 65.54 0 0 2 39 16 AM Rahane 2016-2018 15 13 1 199 39 16.58 320 62.18 0 0 0 20 2 Among openers, he is also among the bottom 3: View overall figures [change view] Primary team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2016 Runs scored less than or equal to 49 Batting position between 1 and 2 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 100 Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 18 of 18 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s BB McCullum (NZ) 2016-2016 4 4 0 119 47 29.75 69 172.46 0 0 1 13 9 L Ronchi (NZ) 2017-2017 6 6 0 117 37 19.50 108 108.33 0 0 1 20 1 C Munro (NZ) 2017-2019 22 22 0 382 49 17.36 380 100.52 0 0 4 48 10 DA Warner (AUS) 2016-2018 26 26 1 468 48 18.72 510 91.76 0 0 0 56 5 JM Bairstow (ENG) 2017-2018 20 20 1 504 44 26.52 560 90.00 0 0 1 63 8 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2016-2019 35 35 0 708 49 20.22 788 89.84 0 0 2 106 8 JJ Roy (ENG) 2016-2018 41 41 1 713 49 17.82 828 86.11 0 0 5 94 10 AD Hales (ENG) 2016-2018 18 18 1 226 36 13.29 266 84.96 0 0 3 38 1 AK Markram (SA) 2018-2018 7 7 0 214 42 30.57 254 84.25 0 0 0 30 3 UT Khawaja (AUS) 2016-2017 7 6 0 131 44 21.83 157 83.43 0 0 0 13 2 HM Amla (SA) 2016-2019 33 33 1 612 45 19.12 756 80.95 0 0 2 83 2 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2016-2019 32 32 1 600 48 19.35 750 80.00 0 0 4 68 15 Q de Kock (SA) 2016-2019 31 31 1 608 47 20.26 800 76.00 0 0 2 69 3 AJ Finch (AUS) 2016-2019 30 29 0 428 47 14.75 584 73.28 0 0 2 52 5 TWM Latham (NZ) 2016-2017 17 17 0 208 46 12.23 291 71.47 0 0 4 27 1 RG Sharma (INDIA) 2016-2019 32 32 0 430 48 13.43 656 65.54 0 0 2 39 16 AM Rahane (INDIA) 2016-2017 8 8 0 136 39 17.00 221 61.53 0 0 0 16 2 RR Hendricks (SA) 2018-2019 5 5 0 118 45 23.60 203 58.12 0 0 0 13 0 Link to comment
zen Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 Rohit since 2016 Records type batting analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2016 Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s unfiltered 2007-2019 201 195 31 7808 264 47.60 8840 88.32 22 39 12 681 215 Profile filtered 2016-2019 58 58 9 3241 208* 66.14 3355 96.60 14 12 2 292 117 So in 32 out of 58 games (55%), Rohit has an avg SR of 66, which is like a team scoring 198 runs after 50 overs! Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 ^^ His highest innings of 48* which is considered as slow helped us to win asia cup final. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8532/scorecard/1153255/bangladesh-vs-india-final-asia-cup-2018 Everyone knows he takes like 15 - 20 balls and scores 5 - 10 runs and most of time he either gets out of scores big. So chances are when he gets out early his stats will show his strike rate is low. You want him to fail by scoring 5 ball 10 runs? Link to comment
zen Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 This is worse that I imagined. Avg of 13 at a SR of 66 in 55% of the games Rohit played since 2016 jusarrived, Nikola and sergio04 1 2 Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 In this way lara, dravid, tendulkar, ganguly type of players should have never played odi cricket. We need only sehwag, gilly, pant, dhawan kind of batsman who will score consistent 20s and 30s. manu4411 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Been posting about India's Powerplay wastage and Rohit's ganguly-esque strike rate since 2016. Rohit is a GOAT ODI opener, when he clicks. Rest of the time he's a liability who's been shielded by Dhawan's quick-fire starts. In early 2018, I was advocating for KL Rahul or Rishabh to open, i.e. treat top 3 slots as openers, and all 3 should bat with more attacking intent, move Virat to #4, but he's still a "#3" practically speaking. I was ridiculed for unnecessarily "messing" with the "best ODI batsman"' and his batting position. India averages 45 runs in the 1st 10 overs, England usually manages 65+ - Those 20 runs also have a domino effect and end up adding another 15-25 runs through the middle overs as well. This is the one thing that stands between our ODI team and legendary greatness. Our team has it all - top-shelf bowling, both pace and spin - legit all-world top order batting, and a couple of handy all-round options in the middle order. But the team is under-achieving with the bat, relative to their capabilities. England are setting the standard on ODI batting, and no disrespect to them, but I sincerely believe that from a batting skill and quality perspective - they are punching above their weight, because they are batting selflessly, adopting a team-first aggressive approach. Whereas our boys are still following the age-old theory of "get your eye in, go big and make it count". Too late to make such a radical shift in batting tactics a few games before the WC. You need 20+ games for the batsmen to practice and embrace the mindset and batting methodology of batting with more urgency all the time. Link to comment
jusarrived Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, zen said: Link Rohit Sharma In The 16 Innings When He Has Scored ODI Hundreds* Score Range Runs BF SR BpB BpS <=50 811 987 80.33 10.6 75.9 >50, <=100 802 721 107.37 7.8 26.7 >100 767 415 184.82 3.6 9.7 Overall 2380 2123 112.11 7.1 25.6 Rohit Sharma In The 10 Innings When He Has Scored ODI Hundreds In 1st Inngs* Score Range Runs BF SR BpB BpS <=50 505 652 77.45 13 65.2 >50, <=100 499 433 115.24 7.5 25.5 >100 612 299 204.68 3.1 8.3 Overall 1616 1384 116.76 6.8 22.0 ^ the above analysis is based on the 100s he scored. Key Takeaways 1. Scores at a SR of 80 or less for his first 50 runs. At that SR, a team would score 240 runs 2. Only picks up once he crosses 50 3. Does justice to his "talent" once he crosses 100 Career stars to date Records type batting analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s overall 2007-2019 201 195 31 7808 264 47.60 8840 88.32 22 39 12 681 215 P Putting 2 & 2 together 1. In 69% of the games, he scores less than 50. Which means that in those games his SR would be 80 or less 2. In 20% of the games, his SR is 100 or more. This is 1/5 games 3. In 11% of the games, his SR is phenomenal .... But it is 1 in 9 games Applying this to the WC Group Games 1. Could go with a SR of 80 or less in 6 of the 9 games (And this 6 games could be vs major teams) 2. Could hit 2 50s where his SR could be 100+ (Could be vs. SL and Pak) 3. Could hit 1 100 at a phenomenal SR (Could be vs BD) Question 1. In 2019 WC, where par scores are expected to be 300+, Can Ind afford to waste PPs overs in possibly 6 of the 9 group games? Discuss Thank you . This is exactly what I have been pointing out for a long time . 80% of the time he creates more harm to the team . India’s win percentage even when he gets his 100 is quite poor compared to most batsmen around . If you also consider he’s poor on pitches which are not flat and much less reliable when we are chasing , have to think about the value he adds to the team . Hes going to cost us the WC . sergio04 1 Link to comment
zen Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Nikola said: In this way lara, dravid, tendulkar, ganguly type of players should have never played odi cricket. We need only sehwag, gilly, pant, dhawan kind of batsman who will score consistent 20s and 30s. We are talking different stuff buddy. I do not think you will understand the nuances .... FYI, I support Rohit but not his tuktuk Anyways, on one hand you start threads against likes of Bhuvi, and easily gets worked up on a relatively serious discussion on SRs to unnecessarily support your player .... I do not support any player to such level (unless relatively new / youngster) where I cannot call a spade a spade Link to comment
jusarrived Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nikola said: In this way lara, dravid, tendulkar, ganguly type of players should have never played odi cricket. We need only sehwag, gilly, pant, dhawan kind of batsman who will score consistent 20s and 30s. None of the players you have mentioned would have played now the way did back when it was actually difficult to bat in the early stages . sergio04 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 minute ago, jusarrived said: Thank you . This is exactly what I have been pointing out for a long time . 80% of the time he creates more harm to the team . India’s win percentage even when he gets his 100 is quite poor compared to most batsmen around . If you also consider he’s poor on pitches which are not flat and much less reliable when we are chasing , have to think about the value he adds to the team . Hes going to cost us the WC . I know he will score big or get out early but that doesn't mean you start blaming him for all these looses. Many times he & kohli bats such way to save from middle order collapse. His strike rate wasn't high in asia cup as well but he was playing safe. Laaloo, sergio04 and Jimmy Cliff 2 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Need a breakdown like this for Tony lol Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, jusarrived said: None of the players you have mentioned would have played now the way did back when it was actually difficult to bat in the early stages . Ganguly & Dravid played with strike rate of 70-71 when tendulkar was having 90+ strike rate in 90s. Lara many times played such innings. Link to comment
zen Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, jusarrived said: Thank you . This is exactly what I have been pointing out for a long time . 80% of the time he creates more harm to the team . India’s win percentage even when he gets his 100 is quite poor compared to most batsmen around . If you also consider he’s poor on pitches which are not flat and much less reliable when we are chasing , have to think about the value he adds to the team . Hes going to cost us the WC . I do not have much expectations from Ind .... if Ind reaches SF, I will take it as a bonus .... By chance, if we win Since 2016, in 55% of the games, he only avg 13 at a SR of 66. 55% translates to 5 out of 9 group games. If we open with him, he has to pull up his socks Link to comment
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now