Rohit Sharma's SR in LOIs

[zen]

Shocking poor numbers by Rohit  .... Has to pull up his socks (needs to be far more consistent to play like that or bat quickly) 

[Nikola]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

I do not have much expectations from Ind .... if Ind reaches SF, I will take it as a bonus .... By chance, if we win  

  

Since 2016, in 55% of the games, he only avg 13 at a SR of 66. 55% translates to 5 out of 9 group games. If we open with him, he has to pull up his socks 

Okay so you are telling me that he fails badly in 55% of game. Let's consider his partner for now who hasn't scored century since asia cup. 

 

How many matches has Dhawan won due to his quick fire starts? I remember 1 hundred & few starts in SA. Went hiding in whole england & ireland tour. Came back strong in Asia cup. Went hiding in West indies tour (5 odis, 2 t20s). Went hiding again in Aus odi series. Scored similar like Rohit in NZ series.

 

For Rohit i know his struggle in SA where he scored 1 odi century in SA, 1 odi & 1 t20 hundred in england (in decider). Asia cup was great like dhawan had + scored imp runs in final. West indies he had more impact than even kohli whose 2 centuries came in draw & loss. In Aus tour scored century when team's top & middle order collapsed. Dhoni choked badly. Gave good start in 2nd odi. NZ tour he had avg like dhawan.

Edited February 17, 2019 by Nikola

[kosingh]

12 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Ganguly & Dravid played with strike rate of 70-71 when tendulkar was having 90+ strike rate in 90s. Lara many times played such innings. 

And now it's like Dravid and Ganguly are opening. 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Okay so you are telling me that he fails badly in 55% of game. Let's consider his partner for now who hasn't scored century since asia cup. 

 

How many matches has Dhawan won due to his quick fire starts? I remember 1 hundred & few starts in SA. Went hiding in whole england & ireland tour. Came back strong in Asia cup. Went hiding in West indies tour (5 odis, 2 t20s). Went hiding again in Aus odi series. Scored similar like Rohit in NZ series.

 

For Rohit i can his struggle in SA where he scored 1 odi centuryin SA, 1 odi & 1 t20 hundred in england (in decider). Asia cup was great like dhawan had. West indies he had more impact than even kohli whose 2 centuries came in draw & loss. In Aus tour scored century when team's top & middle order collapsed. Dhoni choked badly. Gave good start in 2nd odi. NZ tour he had avg like dhawan.

The point is we will have these two open (we are not considering new players). Of the two, Dhawan has usually only opened .... One player (among other options) likely to get in to the squad is Pant, who can try to optimize PPs .... Other option is someone like Pandya who can be slotted in top 4 to be used to pick up the scoring 

 

For me, once a cricketer gains certain experience, is like a tool to make me enjoy cricket .... which is why I cannot be a diehard fan of any cricketer (exceptions could be players from the past out of respect and having watched or heard about them as a kid)

[Nikola]

23 minutes ago, zen said:

We are talking different stuff buddy. I do not think you will understand the nuances  .... FYI, I support Rohit but not his tuktuk 

 

Anyways, on one hand you start threads against likes of Bhuvi, and easily gets worked up on a relatively serious discussion on SRs to unnecessarily support your player .... I do not support any player to such level (unless relatively new / youngster) where I cannot call a spade a spade 

 

Rohit has impact on his days. Your expectations is too high from him. If you see openers all around world they might be more attacking but when they face quality bowlers all go hiding. It's fact. In case of bhuvi he might have impact but his days are rare (atleast in odis) but it's great he has changed since Aus odi series and if he performs same way then i have no issue for him playing in XI of worldcup but if he fails in Aus series then shami surely deserves chance ahead of him.

[zen]

3 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Rohit has impact on his days. Your expectations is too high from him. If you see openers all around world they might be more attacking but when they face quality bowlers all go hiding. It's fact. In case of bhuvi he might have impact but his days are rare (atleast in odis) but it's great he has changed since Aus odi series and if he performs same way then i have no issue for him playing in XI of worldcup but if he fails in Aus series then shami surely deserves chance ahead of him.

My expectations are related to how he plays his game. You have to be far more consistent (cannot avg 13 w/ a SR of 66 in 55% of the games) to play like he does or have to score quickly to help others keep Ind in the game .... We have Kohli who plays similarly but is more impactful. We do not need two players in top 3 to play like that, and then we have Rayudu and Dhoni 

[Nikola]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

The point is we will have these two open (we are not considering new players). Of the two, Dhawan has usually only opened .... One player (among other options) likely to get in to the squad is Pant, who can try to optimize PPs .... Other option is someone like Pandya who can be slotted in top 4 to be used to pick up the scoring 

  

 For me, once a cricketer gains certain experience, is like a tool to make me enjoy cricket .... which is why I cannot be a diehard fan of any cricketer (exceptions could be players from the past out of respect and having watched or heard about them as a kid)

Stop being delusional. I know pant has ability and all but in LOIs he hasn't show his other abilities than slogging. I would love to see pant opening in t20 worldcup next year but for now with just 5 odis to go we can't change what's already worked good for us in past. In this way Australia should start opening with Maxwell, India should have opened with Yuvi or Raina ahead of Tendulkar & Sehwag/Gambhir. 

[zen]

1 minute ago, Nikola said:

Stop being delusional. I know pant has ability and all but in LOIs he hasn't show his other abilities than slogging. I would love to see pant opening in t20 worldcup next year but for now with just 5 odis to go we can't change what's already worked good for us in past. In this way Australia should start opening with Maxwell, India should have opened with Yuvi or Raina ahead of Tendulkar & Sehwag/Gambhir. 

Buddy, try to understand the nuances of what is being discussed 

[Nikola]

Idk why are we even wasting time on discussing this. Rohit & Dhawan are going no where till 2023. Dhoni is going no where till 2020 t20 wc. We can keep making dream 11 but in end you know who is gonna play.

[Tibarn]

Middle orders are where the bread and butter of the innings are. Going a little slower in the PP isn't as bad, as long as one can rotate the strike in the middle overs, between PP and the death(last 10). Last WC, our top 3 of Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli made sure we were tops in RR during the middle order, IIRC. 

 

The pommies can probably take more risks in the PP anyway, as they have the batting depth we don't have. 

[zen]

57 minutes ago, sandeep said:

India averages 45 runs in the 1st 10 overs, England usually manages 65+ - Those 20 runs also have a domino effect and end up adding another 15-25 runs through the middle overs as well.  This is the one thing that stands between our ODI team and legendary greatness.  Our team has it all - top-shelf bowling, both pace and spin - legit all-world top order batting, and a couple of handy all-round options in the middle order.  

and how you do in PP can also set the tone for the game on batting friendly tracks .... for e.g. if you walk in at 140/2 after 20 overs, you know that you have to score at a good SR. On the other hand, if you walk in at 100-110/2, ticking at 5 or so for the next 10-15 overs, you may think you are doing decently (when you could have accelerated a bit more) 

Edited February 17, 2019 by zen

[Nikola]

Also tell me how many times we need to chase 300+ score since 2017? I am sure it's very rare since bumrah & kulcha started playing together. Batsman don't have to take alot risk as well so they go safe like 45 - 50 runs in 10 overs which isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. If Rohit gets out playing quick in 1st 10 overs & kohli has bad day do you really think dhawan can save us with his quick fire knocks? 

[zen]

1 minute ago, Nikola said:

Also tell me how many times we need to chase 300+ score since 2017? I am sure it's very rare since bumrah & kulcha started playing together. Batsman don't have to take alot risk as well so they go safe like 45 - 50 runs in 10 overs which isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. If Rohit gets out playing quick in 1st 10 overs & kohli has bad day do you really think dhawan can save us with his quick fire knocks? 

Irrelevant as the below have Bumrah, Kuldeep or whoever in the team too 

 

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Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 100

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	2016-2019	41	25	4	438	45	20.85	403	108.68	0	0	2	30	19
KM Jadhav	2016-2019	45	26	10	455	41	28.43	451	100.88	0	0	2	42	11
RA Jadeja	2016-2019	26	15	6	186	25	20.66	206	90.29	0	0	0	11	1
S Dhawan	2016-2019	35	35	0	708	49	20.22	788	89.84	0	0	2	106	8
MK Pandey	2016-2018	20	15	4	215	36*	19.54	270	79.62	0	0	2	21	2
MS Dhoni	2016-2019	57	39	10	770	49*	26.55	982	78.41	0	0	2	56	13
V Kohli	2016-2019	25	25	3	558	46*	25.36	712	78.37	0	0	2	47	3
Yuvraj Singh	2017-2017	9	8	1	169	45	24.14	218	77.52	0	0	0	17	3
AT Rayudu	2016-2019	15	13	6	267	47	38.14	352	75.85	0	0	2	27	3
B Kumar	2016-2019	47	17	6	218	32*	19.81	288	75.69	0	0	1	18	3
KD Karthik	2017-2019	18	15	6	311	44	34.55	421	73.87	0	0	2	27	3
RG Sharma	2016-2019	32	32	0	430	48	13.43	656	65.54	0	0	2	39	16
AM Rahane	2016-2018	15	13	1	199	39	16.58	320	62.18	0	0	0	20	2

 

[Nikola]

11 minutes ago, zen said:

Irrelevant as the below have Bumrah, Kuldeep or whoever in the team too 

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	2016-2019	41	25	4	438	45	20.85	403	108.68	0	0	2	30	19
KM Jadhav	2016-2019	45	26	10	455	41	28.43	451	100.88	0	0	2	42	11
RA Jadeja	2016-2019	26	15	6	186	25	20.66	206	90.29	0	0	0	11	1
S Dhawan	2016-2019	35	35	0	708	49	20.22	788	89.84	0	0	2	106	8
MK Pandey	2016-2018	20	15	4	215	36*	19.54	270	79.62	0	0	2	21	2
MS Dhoni	2016-2019	57	39	10	770	49*	26.55	982	78.41	0	0	2	56	13
V Kohli	2016-2019	25	25	3	558	46*	25.36	712	78.37	0	0	2	47	3
Yuvraj Singh	2017-2017	9	8	1	169	45	24.14	218	77.52	0	0	0	17	3
AT Rayudu	2016-2019	15	13	6	267	47	38.14	352	75.85	0	0	2	27	3
B Kumar	2016-2019	47	17	6	218	32*	19.81	288	75.69	0	0	1	18	3
KD Karthik	2017-2019	18	15	6	311	44	34.55	421	73.87	0	0	2	27	3
RG Sharma	2016-2019	32	32	0	430	48	13.43	656	65.54	0	0	2	39	16
AM Rahane	2016-2018	15	13	1	199	39	16.58	320	62.18	0	0	0	20	2

 

Dude for real what's point of this stat? you want rohit to fail with better strike rate? that will mean he scores 10 (9 balls) or 18 (13 balls) type of innings? He is going to fail like everybody else. His avg when he scores less than 50 is 13. He scores 13 with strike rate of 65 that means like 21 ball 13 runs when he fails to convert into big score. Do you really think out of 300 balls those 8 ball are that big issue? Everybody has pros and cons. Rohit can't play quick in power play. Dhawan can't convert his quick fire knocks & goes hiding in whole series many times. Kohli can't score big sixes in 1st innings in end overs. Dhoni bats like rohit does in powerplay.

Edited February 17, 2019 by Nikola

[ShoonyaSifar]

In matches where a player scores 0, his average is 0 and SR also 0. Is that what OP is trying to prove? 

 

When he clicks, he wins matches for us and in last 3 years, that % is 21 50+ scores (11 100s and 10 50s) in 40/58 matches we have won. That’s 70% win rate for the team and 35% winning contributions by a single batsman. Let others step up in the matches where he doesn’t hit a 50 (those would mostly be single digit scores and getting out early)

 

 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Some numbers since 1st Jan 2016

 

Openers getting out for a score of less than 25

 

Munro 15/26, 58%

Jason Roy 30/55, 55%

Finch 25/44, 57%

Hales 16/31, 52%

Amla 24/48, 50%

Warner 20/41, 49%

Rohit 28/58, 48%

Guptill 19/46, 42%

QDK 21/49, 43%

Dhwan 21/54, 39%

Bairstow 9/28, 32%

 

OP, whom do you want Rohit to follow?

 

 

 

[jusarrived]

1 hour ago, zen said:

I do not have much expectations from Ind .... if Ind reaches SF, I will take it as a bonus .... By chance, if we win  

 

Since 2016, in 55% of the games, he only avg 13 at a SR of 66. 55% translates to 5 out of 9 group games. If we open with him, he has to pull up his socks 

What’s India’s win percentage when he fails ? That 55% of games since 2016

[jusarrived]

42 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

In matches where a player scores 0, his average is 0 and SR also 0. Is that what OP is trying to prove? 

 

When he clicks, he wins matches for us and in last 3 years, that % is 21 50+ scores (11 100s and 10 50s) in 40/58 matches we have won. That’s 70% win rate for the team and 35% winning contributions by a single batsman. Let others step up in the matches where he doesn’t hit a 50 (those would mostly be single digit scores and getting out early)

 

 

 

I don’t agree with the assumption that India wins when he scores as well .

[jusarrived]

1 hour ago, Nikola said:

Ganguly & Dravid played with strike rate of 70-71 when tendulkar was having 90+ strike rate in 90s. Lara many times played such innings. 

So you agree that we are still stuck in 90s approach 

[zen]

1 hour ago, Nikola said:

Dude for real what's point of this stat? you want rohit to fail with better strike rate? that will mean he scores 10 (9 balls) or 18 (13 balls) type of innings? He is going to fail like everybody else. His avg when he scores less than 50 is 13. He scores 13 with strike rate of 65 that means like 21 ball 13 runs when he fails to convert into big score. Do you really think out of 300 balls those 8 ball are that big issue? Everybody has pros and cons. Rohit can't play quick in power play. Dhawan can't convert his quick fire knocks & goes hiding in whole series many times. Kohli can't score big sixes in 1st innings in end overs. Dhoni bats like rohit does in powerplay.

Point is that he is failing badly 55% of the time. If he has to play the way he does, he has to be far more consistent (or bat quickly) esp. since we already have someone like Kohli. We cannot have 2 out of top 3 batting in this way 

 

Also that avg of 13 could also account for bowling friendly tracks where he is actually supposed to shield the middle order (and he is getting out early) 

 

As I said, you need to understand the nuances before coming to debates. Since you started a thread on Bhuvi and Kohli's average, I hope you are sporting enough to do a Bhuvi vs Rohit too based on this!