Umesh takes wickets, Bhuvi only saves runs

[mancalledsting]

Argument frequently cited, Bhuvi despite not conceding runs gives away more runs by not taking wickets but Umesh saves runs by taking wickets, despite leaking runs. Well congratulations, the merits of this theory was on its best display today. Bhuvi would have no doubt finished the job today. 

Edited February 25, 2019 by mancalledsting

[Pollack]

Umesh in T20s is a big no. Usually those who accuse bhuvi are sensible enough to know Umesh is not a t20 bowler. And in any case how does Umesh's failure make bhuvi a better option. The point of criticizing bhuvi is to find another option whonis better than mediocre bhuvi. Now that just don't have to be only Umesh who is actually not even someone who hasn't been tried before. 

[CSK Fan]

The fact that after so many lois and years, the choices are still only between bhuvi and Umesh is the failure of the selectors and management 

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, CSK Fan said:

The fact that after so many lois and years, the choices are still only between bhuvi and Umesh is the failure of the selectors and management 

True and any way, don't anyone on ICF even wants Umesh anymore. Blame the selectors for picking him.

[Dil Dil India]

Umesh Yadav is one of the most useless bowlers to have played as much as he has in the last 2 decades. Boils my blood whenever this fool runs up and bowls pies. That second ball of the last over was such a typical Umesh ball - brainless short ball. Why this moron still gets picked is beyond me...but then our headcoach is the biggest moron.

[mancalledsting]

Umesh is the next realistic contender in line after Bhuvi (if you consider Bumrah and Shami the other two certs). 

Otherwise who else you gonna pick? Unadkat? Khaleel? Siraj? Thakur? 

And believe me, in the Bhuvi out debate, there are ICFers who have cited Umesh's greater wicket taking prowess. 

[G_B_]

the concept of a learning curve is lost of umesh....

 

Even ishant has improved his figures over the past few years in test cricket.

[Insidious]

Posters here don't understand the simple thing, that Bumrah is a light years ahead than any other fast bowler in India atm. If Umesh Yadav, is brainless, then he is among the 99.9% of Indian fast bowlers, who are brainless too.

 

And tell me one Indian fast bowler, who could have made any difference. Khaleel Ahmed? Sid kaul? Shardul Thanks? Or Deepak chahar? May be shami but even he is not a good T20 bowler. So how selectors are culprit?

 

[vvvslaxman]

I am sure Kedhar jadhav would have defended 14 runs in that over against tailenders. Heck even Unadkuter would have defended that.

[Moochad]

Don't think anyone dislikes BK in T20s, it is ODIs where he is questioned. Likewise, noone really wants Umya in the limited over sides. Umesh outside of WC 2015 and IPL has been a mediocre bowler in limited overs. BK is a good bowler in T20s IPL or international b/c he can bowl all his overs at the opening and at the death, both places where he is among the better bowlers in that regard.

 

The stats mostly bear out what is in the title regarding the two as ODI bowlers. Umesh takes wickets at a good rate, but is a very expensive bowler. Yesterday was par for the course.

 

BK does not take wickets in ODIs at even an avg level. The question is if BK really even saves runs in ODIs? I think he saves runs in the death b/c he has a very good knuckle ball and yorkers, but taking wickets also lowers the opponents RR, which he doesn't do. Teams can easily milk his overs easily for 5+ runs in the middle overs with no threat of wicket loss. Then their batsmen are set --> high score for the other team. 

 

TL;DR Neither is good in ODIs, BK is good in T20s, our WC attack should be Bumrah+Shami

[Nikola]

6 minutes ago, Moochad said:

Don't think anyone dislikes BK in T20s, it is ODIs where he is questioned. Likewise, noone really wants Umya in the limited over sides. Umesh outside of WC 2015 and IPL has been a mediocre bowler in limited overs. BK is a good bowler in T20s IPL or international b/c he can bowl all his overs at the opening and at the death, both places where he is among the better bowlers in that regard.

 

The stats mostly bear out what is in the title regarding the two as ODI bowlers. Umesh takes wickets at a good rate, but is a very expensive bowler. Yesterday was par for the course.

 

BK does not take wickets in ODIs at even an avg level. The question is if BK really even saves runs in ODIs? I think he saves runs in the death b/c he has a very good knuckle ball and yorkers, but taking wickets also lowers the opponents RR, which he doesn't do. Teams can easily milk his overs easily for 5+ runs in the middle overs with no threat of wicket loss. Then their batsmen are set --> high score for the other team. 

 

TL;DR Neither is good in ODIs, BK is good in T20s, our WC attack should be Bumrah+Shami

I agree Bhuvi for sure is 2nd best t20 bowler we have got at the moment. In odis however there should be no doubt that shami has to play ahead of him.