sandeep Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, test fan said: Hahaha Karachi walo ki fatne lag gayi something big happening there by Indian force India isn't going to attack any civilian areas. These are psy-ops being run by PakMil on their AWAAM to increase support for the military. They were in real trouble after the initial Balakot strike - WC Abhinandan's bad luck is Allah's gift to the housing society mafia. Instantly addressed their credibility crisis. Captain and Clarke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 42 minutes ago, Haarkarjeetgaye said: Correct me if I am wrong. This is not a war, so no POWs unless Pakistan announces he will be treated like a POW. Has either India or Pak announced him as a POW. India has said MIA and Pakistan has said will be treated with respect. POW brings international laws into play You do not need a declaration of war for Geneva conventions to apply. Its more of a PR and reciprocity thing. PakMil has recognized the importance of PR since the Kargil loss. They are unlikely to mistreat him. They will try to squeeze maximum PR value out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dil Dil India Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, sandeep said: India isn't going to attack any civilian areas. These are psy-ops being run by PakMil on their AWAAM to increase support for the military. They were in real trouble after the initial Balakot strike - WC Abhinandan's bad luck is Allah's gift to the housing society mafia. Instantly addressed their credibility crisis. This is why we need to hit them. Get their morale down: lets see all that junoon and jazba get crushed. Not now maybe, but soon. Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Just now, Dil Dil India said: This is why we need to hit them. Get their morale down: lets see all that junoon and jazba get crushed. Not now maybe, but soon. Junoon Jazba doesn't matter. Let the fools keep being exploited by their military mafia. Our concern is stopping terrorism. That's the priority. You really need to develop the capacity to think more maturely instead of sounding like a 13 year old kid excited about his first fist-fight. This is serious business. People dying. Not a joke. Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, sandeep said: You do not need a declaration of war for Geneva conventions to apply. Its more of a PR and reciprocity thing. PakMil has recognized the importance of PR since the Kargil loss. They are unlikely to mistreat him. They will try to squeeze maximum PR value out of him. May be true but still he is not a POW. He is missing in action as per India and will be treated with respect as per Pakistan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dil Dil India Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, sandeep said: Junoon Jazba doesn't matter. Let the fools keep being exploited by their military mafia. Our concern is stopping terrorism. That's the priority. You really need to develop the capacity to think more maturely instead of sounding like a 13 year old kid excited about his first fist-fight. This is serious business. People dying. Not a joke. I am not sure you understand. Yes, we need to stop terrorism and for that we need to hit them where it hurts; otherwise, all the advantage we gained through the surgical strike has been lost. I am not some ignorant chest thumper suggesting there be a nuclear war or some such nonsense; but we need to repay them back in kind when they humiliate our soldiers. Otherwise it brings the morale of the defenses down. Moreover, their propaganda machine is at full swing claiming the Indian attack never happened. I hope we release evidence (at least limited evidence) just to ensure they have egg on their face. War is as psychological as it is on the battlefield and by parading our WC Abhinandan with cheap ploys like making videos etc, they are trying to bring down our morale...which is why we need to hit and capture at least 1-2 of their men. Negotiation should always be from a position of strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veer Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 So what happened to F-16 that we shot? or was that a fake story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 15 hours ago, test fan said: Hahaha Karachi walo ki fatne lag gayi something big happening there by Indian force want some tea ? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, veer said: So what happened to F-16 that we shot? or was that a fake story? no evidence from your side, no proof of it .. btw, we dont use F-16 for attack, its only for defend purpose. also we didnt use any F-16 today. your MEA didnt said anything about F-16. Edited February 27, 2019 by KeyboardWarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 44 minutes ago, sandeep said: Junoon Jazba doesn't matter. Let the fools keep being exploited by their military mafia. Our concern is stopping terrorism. That's the priority. You really need to develop the capacity to think more maturely instead of sounding like a 13 year old kid excited about his first fist-fight. This is serious business. People dying. Not a joke. It is not suprised that you see many 13 YO amongst us. Indians are tired of being killed by 3rd rate terrorists who thrive in $hithole called pakistan. If we have managed to strike the terrorist camps because they existed in the first place and Baki knew it, didnt they? So PakMil and Pak Govt are not just guilty of being complacent or just had tacit support to these non-state actors but they exists as a part of unstated state policy with 1 hand on the switch of their nukes they carry. This is outright bullying. They are not merely fighting us but they use despicable means to attack indias military and civil establishments. PakGovt as a country condones it because they are terrorist nation. We have no animosity against Pak Awam. We wont harm them. But please for a change go and explain to Bakis that their solders and terrorists should stop hiding among civilian population while fighting with us. The whole mentality is of a cockroach. Nothing better. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Haarkarjeetgaye said: Correct me if I am wrong. This is not a war, so no POWs unless Pakistan announces he will be treated like a POW. Has either India or Pak announced him as a POW. India has said MIA and Pakistan has said will be treated with respect. POW brings international laws into play It is considered combat as both violated each others' air space, it is an act of war and anybody caught will be a PoW. Civilians crossing border will not subjected to the same laws, but for enemy combatants, countries will have to adhere to ethical treatment as per military standards set by the Geneva convention. That includes no photographs or videos showing torture. It is tantamount to war crimes, but every country has indeed violated these laws. In any case, if they do WC Abhi any harm, the tension will escalate quicker, it is wise for them to release to calm things down from a practical pOV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: It is considered combat as both violated each others' air space, it is an act of war and anybody caught will be a PoW. Civilians crossing border will not subjected to the same laws, but for enemy combatants, countries will have to adhere to ethical treatment as per military standards set by the Geneva convention. That includes no photographs or videos showing torture. It is tantamount to war crimes, but every country has indeed violated these laws. In any case, if they do WC Abhi any harm, the tension will escalate quicker, it is wise for them to release to calm things down from a practical pOV. ok. But say if we continue to escalate the tension, then how can Pakistan react on WC Abhi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, KeyboardWarrior said: no evidence from your side, no proof of it .. btw, we dont use F-16 for attack, its only for defend purpose. also we didnt use any F-16 today. your MEA didnt said anything about F-16. So what would you guys have used for the incursion ? JF-17s ? Somehow i dont think PAF has the balls to cross the LoC with F-7 or Mirage-5s..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, KeyboardWarrior said: no evidence from your side, no proof of it .. btw, we dont use F-16 for attack, its only for defend purpose. also we didnt use any F-16 today. your MEA didnt said anything about F-16. MiG21 shot a missile to down a F16 which fell on PoK side. There were visuals reported by WCAbhi who shot it down. His plane went down as well in PoK and has been captured. Look at the isolation of Pak Airspace. CivilIAN Flights across Pak has been stopped. All commercials flights are avoiding the area like plague. So, complacency is not on your country's armed forces, any more. zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Haarkarjeetgaye said: ok. But say if we continue to escalate the tension, then how can Pakistan react on WC Abhi Pakistanies need him for PR to gain international opinion, the dance will continue for couple of days. I seriously doubt they can do the same as a Jadhav to him , who was considered a spy and not an enemy combatant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Pakistanies need him for PR to gain international opinion, the dance will continue for couple of days. I seriously doubt they can do the same as a Jadhav to him , who was considered a spy and not an enemy combatant. They cannot. He is an enemy combatant and PoW. He has Geneva convention rights and the amount of coolness towards India invading Pakistan's airspace means that if they mistreat him, they will get some international bamboo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Pakistanies need him for PR to gain international opinion, the dance will continue for couple of days. I seriously doubt they can do the same as a Jadhav to him , who was considered a spy and not an enemy combatant. But lets say we retaliate today and across International border or this continues for more than 8 days, then still will they have to release him on the 8th day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Haarkarjeetgaye said: But lets say we retaliate today and across International border or this continues for more than 8 days, then still will they have to release him on the 8th day? No. They dont have to release him immediately. They will drag their feet and release him weeks or months later. Thats usually the case unless one side completely surrenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: No. They dont have to release him immediately. They will drag their feet and release him weeks or months later. Thats usually the case unless one side completely surrenders. ok. so we are looking at his release after this conflict is over. And what is the guarantee something like Saurabh Kalia will not repeat. Because they have shown his capture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 So anything last night from either side? I read Jammu airport is functional. That may be a sign of de-escalation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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