Team is sabotaged by bad selections.

[vvvslaxman]

Quoting your post crash my browser. Just replace Pant with PUjara lol you will find how silly you sound there.       Pant is good at death? India does need slog over specialists . Why not  put him there? Basically he cannot play in the middle overs. Why do any team will want someone who cannot bat in the middle overs? Explain why his T20 strike rate is appalling 119 where there are no middle overs.

Edited March 9, 2019 by vvvslaxman

[zen]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Just replace Pant with PUjara lol you will find how silly you sound there.                                

Irrelevant point as we are talking from those in squad ....  if I have to pick from test squad, I have Agarwal and Shaw too who also have a better potential than Rohit 

 

 

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Pant is good at death? India does need slog over specialists . Why not           

And opening as well

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[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

Irrelevant point as we are talking from those in squad ....  if I have to pick from test squad, I have Agarwal and Shaw too who also have a better potential than Rohit 

 

 

And opening as well

So you think India has "great" finishers but not openers? You clearly live in an alternate world.

[zen]

25 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

So you think India has "great" finishers but not openers? You clearly live in an alternate world.

Improvement is needed everywhere except at Kohli’s position .... Once Pandya comes back, it will add explosive power at the death. Pant can slot in lower middle order, if someone like KL can open, and so on depending upon combination 

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

Improvement is needed everywhere except at Kohli’s position .... Once Pandya comes back, it will add explosive power at the death. Pant can slot in lower middle order, if someone like KL can open, and so on depending upon combination 

So one batsman who mainly hit spinners for sixes are enough? 

 

[Lannister]

Selectors, enjoy your last few days. This is going to end bloody for you and your incompetent asses totally deserve it. 

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Selectors, enjoy your last few days. This is going to end bloody for you and your incompetent asses totally deserve it. 

They are lucky a.holes. Remember even before CT 2017 we were cursing them for team selection. Same old TTFs. Due to incompetence of other teams we got to the final. 

Edited March 9, 2019 by vvvslaxman

[Lannister]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

They are lucky a.holes. Remember even before CT 2017 we were cursing them for team selection. Same old TTFs. Due to incompetence of other teams we got to the final. 

We only played against Asian teams and the chokers, and still couldn't win the tournament. 

[Tendulkar1996]

Biggest problem is sudden loss of form for openers.Now kohli is left alone.If Rohit and dhawan dont get their mojo back asap,we are done for the world cup.

[zen]

34 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

So one batsman who mainly hit spinners for sixes are enough? 

 

I have posted my 11 which has the options -> 7 optimal batting options + 4 bowlers from those currently "shortlisted" .... and I like the motto of "well begun is half done" 

 

btw, I do not know what the period in screenshot you posted covers.  It says Asia Cup so I am not sure if it is for the whole year. In Asia Cup, Ind chased in most of the games with scores of 252 or less 

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

I have posted my 11 which has the options -> 7 optimal batting options + 4 bowlers from those currently "shortlisted" .... and I like the motto of "well begun is half done" 

 

btw, I do not know what the period in screenshot you posted covers.  It says Asia Cup so I am not sure if it is for the whole year. In Asia Cup, Ind chased in most of the games with scores of 252 or less 

That was for 2018 year.  Unless you started following cricket only from 2019, this has been the case for the last few years. India always struggled in the end overs because there is no Yuvi, there is no inform Raina, Pandya blew hot and cold.  Rohit and Kohli scored more in the death overs than anyone else. IT has been the case for quiet some time. Like last year at Port Elizabeth India was 219/3 after 40 overs Rohit was 110 at that time. Once he departed India ended up with 274/7.  Dhoni 13(28)  Pandya first ball duck. This has been the case for the last few years. This is why it is funny to see your post about "opening partnerships". 

[zen]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

That was for 2018 year.  Unless you started following cricket only from 2019, this has been the case for the last few years. India always struggled in the end overs because there is no Yuvi, there is no inform Raina, Pandya blew hot and cold.  Rohit and Kohli scored more in the death overs than anyone else. IT has been the case for quiet some time. Like last year at Port Elizabeth India was 219/3 after 40 overs Rohit was 110 at that time. Once he departed India ended up with 274/7.  Dhoni 13(28)  Pandya first ball duck. This has been the case for the last few years. This is why it is funny to see your post about "opening partnerships". 

This is funny, you post 2018 stats and ignore the latest 2019   .... while ignoring that Ind chased low totals in many of its games 

 

On top of that you post a convenient scorecard when in fact it also tells you that it can be difficult to get going from ball 1 at the death, which is what the MO could be subjected to .... and then you are citing Dhoni, when we know he is past his best 

 

Also your the black and white thinking is on display, where either you can solve opening partnership or slog overs, when I have posted my 11 as overall solution 

 

It appears as if you just want to blow Rohit's horn .... the goal is not about providing convenience to Rohit so he can score his 100 in 1 out of 9 games or so and pad up his stats in bilaterals  

 

 

Edited March 9, 2019 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

This is funny, you post 2018 stats and ignore the latest 2019   .... while ignoring that Ind chased low totals in many of its games 

 

On top of that you post a convenient scorecard which in fact tells you that it is difficult to get going from ball 1, which is what the MO is subjected to .... and then you are citing Dhoni, when we know he is past his best 

 

Also the black and white thinking on display, where either you can solve opening partnership or slog overs, when I have posted my 11 as overall solution 

 

It appears as if you just want to blow Rohit's horn  

 

 

Nobody selects squad based on 3 month  sample. Going by that Pant has not played even a single game. Even in the T20 he has strike rate like 16 lol. Let me share a stat where DInesh karthik and Pant played together in the same match

Karthik comfortably outperforms Pant.  He is out of the squad. But Pant has to come in as opener replacing opener.  Check the trike rate of others and compare with Pant who is supposed to be "explosive" .

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

In the matches Pant played he has the worst strike rate worse than Dhoni.

 

[cowboysfan]

basically  we can't chase a big score if the openers fail irrespective  of what Kohli scores.

[Insidious]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

India's tail is only making things complicated. On a road even Indian bowlers can go for runs. That is where batting depth is needed. You basically need 7 inform batsmen with multiple gears.  There are serious "Gear problems" in the middle. Apart from Pandya nobody can dominate. Even he will dominate only spinners not seamers. Against seamers from 4 to 7 we are never going to go at good rate. Basically if any of the 2 batsmen from the middle order bat at the end they cannot produce big overs at the death. Even Dhawan cannot score big against seamers in the death. He is more a 30 to 35 over guy. It will be down to Kohli or Rohit to attack seamers in the death overs. 

Dinesh kartik might solve the problem. He is one batsman who can dominate pacers from the ball one, on flat surface. To me at this point, he is better than pant.

[zen]

26 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Nobody selects squad based on 3 month  sample. Going by that Pant has not played even a single game. Even in the T20 he has strike rate like 16 lol. Let me share a stat where DInesh karthik and Pant played together in the same match

Karthik comfortably outperforms Pant.  He is out of the squad. But Pant has to come in as opener replacing opener.  Check the trike rate of others and compare with Pant who is supposed to be "explosive" .

 

Pant is already in the squad .... And as mentioned, opening the batting is relatively easier in batting friendly conditions. Check Rohit Sharma stats as MO batsman and as an opener .... and we know what Pant can do 

 

It is getting quite evident that you think that

1. Rohit is not an improved player (so he can't be accommodated in the MO if he is not opening)

2. Rohit can only hold his place in the team as an opener 

3. Rohit can't play quicky early on

 

So it does not matter if it is KL, Pant, Shankar, Shaw, Agarwal or whoever is proposed as an opener to improve opening, you would try to attack that player. And to justify Rohit's modus operandi, you will try to blame everyone from MO to lower order

 

Instead of Pant if Ishant Kishan were picked, you would do the same to somehow suggest that Karthik is better .... But people care more about team India.  Until Tuktuk is thrown out or he improves his game, Tuktuk is going to be in the radar .... And Karthik is currently gone. Though I would not mind having him in the squad as he is a useful player but not at the expense of promising youngsters. Remember these guys have had their time in the sun (and are now regressing) 

 

Forget Rohit. Think ahead 

Edited March 9, 2019 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Insidious said:

Dinesh kartik might solve the problem. He is one batsman who can dominate pacers from the ball one, on flat surface. To me at this point, he is better than pant.

Agreed. Against seamers, he is actually really good.  But it has to be his day. That is the only problem. Everything can be traced to the inclusion of Rayudu. HE completely screwed up our plans top to bottom. Just to make "biriyani's selection" work India has been doing all kind of experiments for the last 12 months in the middle order. Dhoni i have made peace with his selection.  Vijay Shankar a batting all rounder is able to play much better than this guy. Imagine guys like Subhman Gill, Shaw, Agarwal getting the similar chances in the last one year ahead of Rayudu. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

Pant is already in the squad .... And as mentioned, opening the batting is relatively easier in batting friendly conditions. Check Rohit Sharma stats as MO batsman and as an opener

 

It is getting quite evident that you think that

1. Rohit is not an improved player (so he can't be accommodated in the MO if he is not opening)

2. Rohit can only hold his place in the team as an opener 

3. Rohit can't play quicky early on

 

So it does not matter if it is KL, Pant, Shankar, Shaw, Agarwal or whoever is proposed as an opener to improve opening, you would try to attack that player. And to justify Rohit's modus operandi, you will try to blame everyone from MO to lower order

 

Instead of Pant if Ishant Kishan were picked, you would do the same to somehow suggest that Karthik is better .... But people care more about team India.  Until Tuktuk is thrown out or he improves his game, Tuktuk is going to be in the radar .... And Karthik is currently gone. Though I would not mind having him in the squad as he is a useful player but not at the expense of promising youngsters. Remember this guys have had their time in the sun 

 

Forget Rohit. Think ahead 

In T20 opening , middle order it is all the same. You have to score at good rate. Infact Rohit's fastest T20 century was not scored in the first 6 overs. Majority of the runs he scored outside 6 overs.  If Pant relies  on fielders standing inside 30 yard circle then he is not quiet there. Rohit doesn't rely on fielders standing inside 30 yard circle. He can clear even outside powerplay.  I have clearly showed who is tuk tuk here lol He is a talented batsman. But he will come in only as keeper. Not specialist batsman. He will come in only as a middle order batsman. Not opener. KL Rahul will be the one who will open. He is not quiet there yet. This will miserably fail like Uthappa experiment in 2007 world cup. They thought he would go hell for leather at the top. Rest is history. Infact Uthappa was a proper opener. But the idea of using him as a pinch hitter and Tendu as MO backfired big time.  You have no proof Pant is not tuk tuk. I have proof at the international level pant is tuk tuk. 

[jf1gp_1]

8 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

Jadeja was dropped for a reason and should never have been brought back.Rayudu was never considered because he was not good enough.the selectors have failed the team going into the WC by insisting on these 2 guys who are just not good enough.now we have no time to blood new guys and there are plenty of options but they wont get a chance because we have 2 games before the WC.We are well and truly *ed and on top of that the openers have picked a terrible time to go out of form.

.... and yet since last world cup we have been winning 65-70% of ODIs. 

 

To maintain that kind of win ratio year after year means captain/coach/selectors know what they are doing. 

Edited March 9, 2019 by jf1gp_1