rkt.india Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Gollum said: ODI batsmen: Sachin debut 1989, beast mode from mid 90s Ganguly debut 1992, beast mode 1997 Toronto, then Independence Cup final Dravid debut 1996, beast mode 1998-99 NZ, 1999 WC Yuvraj debut 2000, few sparkling contributions in the start but consistent gun from 2005-06, starting from that fighting back to the wall 100 against RSA at home Raina debut 2005, beast mode from circa 2010-11 Dhoni debut 2004, few good knocks upfront but beast mode activated in 2006-07 starting from Pak tour Kohli debut 2008, beast mode 2012 Hobart Rohit Sharma debut 2007, beast mode 2013 WI tri-series followed by Oz home series Dhawan debut 2010, beast mode 2013 CT As you can see most of our quality batsmen took 2-6 years to develop from 'talent' to 'high performer' status. Now how can we expect Pant, Rahul, Gill, Shankar etc to achieve their peak form in their 4th or 5th match? Is it fair on them? When present superstar batsmen like Kohli and Sharma took 3-5 years to justify the investment why so harsh on these rookies. Also tells how bad the planning has been since 2015 WC? We actually went backwards by selecting oldies like UV, Raina, Dhoni, DK, Rayudu in place of young blood. That must be a first. Good post. Too much expectations from rookies. Gollum, beetle and Mosher 3 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, kirkutfan said: He needs games. Has been on the bench for too long. Also, Dhoni had an incredible run despite many blah games. As it is, I think we missed a big opportunity by not playing Pant in Odis from a year ago, with someone like Saha coaching him on the sidelines. So, it looks like he won’t get much playing time in the World Cup. But post World Cup, Pant should play in all 3 formats. Yes, it doesn't help a WK batsman when start playing matches as a batsman. Karthik lost touch with his keeping once he started playing as specialist batsman. beetle 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 He is a definite future wicket keeper. He has virtually no competition. So his place is safe. But he has to constantly improve his technique. He has done well in Tests. But in ODIs where batsmen are likely to step out a lot more than in Tests, he has to be more alert. Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) View overall figures Primary team India Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Apr 2015 Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by matches played (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 47 of 47 Overall figures Player Teams Span Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS MS Dhoni 1 2015-2019 79 52 24 2 1 2.166 45.28 5.73 79 392 112 RG Sharma 1 2015-2019 70 45 24 1 0 1.875 44.04 5.74 70 392 92 V Kohli 1 2015-2019 68 42 24 1 1 1.750 45.26 5.83 68 381 158 S Dhawan 1 2015-2019 66 42 22 1 1 1.909 45.32 5.80 66 392 92 B Kumar 1 2015-2019 59 40 18 0 1 2.222 44.17 5.69 59 392 92 KM Jadhav 1 2015-2019 57 44 11 1 1 4.000 46.33 5.63 57 381 92 JJ Bumrah 1 2016-2019 48 38 10 0 0 3.800 49.76 5.87 48 392 112 HH Pandya 1 2016-2019 45 31 13 0 1 2.384 45.36 5.78 45 392 92 Kuldeep Yadav 1 2017-2019 43 29 11 2 1 2.636 43.54 5.59 43 377 92 YS Chahal 1 2016-2019 41 31 9 1 0 3.444 47.37 5.62 41 392 92 AM Rahane 1 2015-2018 36 21 14 0 1 1.500 41.40 5.61 36 323 178 RA Jadeja 1 2015-2019 31 17 12 2 0 1.416 45.39 5.86 31 381 158 AT Rayudu 1 2015-2019 28 21 5 2 0 4.200 42.93 5.48 28 377 92 UT Yadav 1 2015-2018 27 13 12 1 1 1.083 45.67 5.88 27 356 178 AR Patel 1 2015-2017 25 19 6 0 0 3.166 43.42 5.56 25 375 200 MK Pandey 1 2015-2018 23 16 6 1 0 2.666 47.20 5.69 23 392 112 KD Karthik 1 2017-2019 20 13 6 1 0 2.166 41.34 5.30 20 392 92 R Ashwin 1 2015-2017 15 7 7 0 1 1.000 44.93 6.01 15 381 158 Mohammed Shami 1 2017-2019 15 10 4 1 0 2.500 44.58 5.54 15 326 178 KL Rahul 1 2016-2019 14 10 3 1 0 3.333 49.86 6.09 14 381 236 SK Raina 1 2015-2018 11 4 7 0 0 0.571 32.86 5.46 11 317 200 Yuvraj Singh 1 2017-2017 11 7 3 0 1 2.333 54.80 6.29 11 381 158 A Mishra 1 2015-2016 9 4 5 0 0 0.800 35.96 5.53 9 299 224 KK Ahmed 1 2018-2019 8 4 3 1 0 1.333 35.75 5.75 8 377 92 DS Kulkarni 1 2015-2016 8 6 2 0 0 3.000 39.81 5.11 8 317 200 V Shankar 1 2019-2019 8 6 2 0 0 3.000 40.28 5.52 8 358 250 Harbhajan Singh 1 2015-2015 7 5 2 0 0 2.500 35.07 5.42 7 299 224 SS Iyer 1 2017-2018 6 4 2 0 0 2.000 46.62 5.90 6 392 112 MM Sharma 1 2015-2015 6 3 3 0 0 1.000 31.79 5.41 6 299 224 BB Sran 1 2016-2016 6 3 3 0 0 1.000 67.00 5.55 6 309 - STR Binny 1 2015-2015 5 4 1 0 0 4.000 44.28 5.66 5 317 - SN Thakur 1 2017-2018 5 4 1 0 0 4.000 52.34 5.95 5 375 - RR Pant 1 2018-2019 4 1 2 1 0 0.500 46.11 6.55 4 358 240 I Sharma 1 2016-2016 4 1 3 0 0 0.333 44.89 6.31 4 331 323 R Dhawan 1 2016-2016 3 1 2 0 0 0.500 47.45 6.36 3 331 323 Gurkeerat Singh 1 2016-2016 3 1 2 0 0 0.500 47.45 6.36 3 331 323 S Kaul 1 2018-2018 3 1 1 1 0 1.000 34.40 5.40 3 269 236 MK Tiwary 1 2015-2015 3 3 0 0 0 - 42.21 5.34 3 276 - RV Uthappa 1 2015-2015 3 3 0 0 0 - 42.21 5.34 3 276 - M Vijay 1 2015-2015 3 3 0 0 0 - 42.21 5.34 3 276 - KK Nair 1 2016-2016 2 2 0 0 0 - 100.66 4.35 2 173 - Shubman Gill 1 2019-2019 2 1 1 0 0 1.000 17.20 4.26 2 252 92 DL Chahar 1 2018-2018 1 0 0 1 0 0.000 25.20 5.05 1 252 252 FY Fazal 1 2016-2016 1 1 0 0 0 - - 5.77 1 126 - Mohammed Siraj 1 2019-2019 1 1 0 0 0 - 74.75 6.06 1 299 - Washington Sundar 1 2017-2017 1 1 0 0 0 - 98.00 7.84 1 392 - J Yadav 1 2016-2016 1 1 0 0 0 - 44.83 5.38 1 269 - LINK Matches played since 2015 WC. Was it fair for the top 5 in the list to play so many matches? Our top 3 and Dhoni have done lots of stats boosting but blocked 4 crucial spots where we could have tested others. Bhuvi didn't even deserve so many matches 36 matches for Rahane, 31 Jadeja, 28 Rayudu, 27 Umesh, 25 Axar, 23 Pandey, 20 DK Potential prospects who were ignored or undercooked: Shami 15 Rahul 14 Shankar 8 Iyer 6 Pant 4 Gill 2 Sundar 1 Siraj 1 Many haven't even been given debut, like Shaw, Saini, Gowtham, Ishan Kishan, Mayank, Krunal etc. Edited March 10, 2019 by Gollum Stan AF, bowl_out and bahubali 2 1 Link to comment
TNAmarkFromIndia Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 57 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said: Why was crowd going at him? He tried a Dhoni-esque no-look flick to the stumps attempting a run out but missed and gave an extra run. Laaloo 1 Link to comment
Pollack Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, TNAmarkFromIndia said: He tried a Dhoni-esque no-look flick to the stumps attempting a run out but missed and gave an extra run. OmG ! That's criminal. How can Pant try Dhoni's copyright no-look flick. Needs to burn in fire for eternity! Laaloo, bahubali, Gollum and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Pollack Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Really pathetic from the crowd and too much expectations from a rookie who isn't even made to keep regularly at internationals to accommodate a certain leech. bahubali, Gollum, beetle and 1 other 4 Link to comment
TNAmarkFromIndia Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pollack said: OmG ! That's criminal. How can Pant try Dhoni's copyright no-look flick. Needs to burn in fire for eternity! You missed the part where he failed at it and gave away an extra run. beetle, Laaloo, Vilander and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
Pollack Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said: You missed the part where he failed at it and gave away an extra run. Are you sure he just gave away an extra run? Not 358 extra runs? beetle, bahubali, Gollum and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I think op does remember about the booeing Thala got in England This is probably 5th time Pant represented India , beetle, Gollum and Mosher 1 2 Link to comment
velu Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 pant moves little early when keeping .. gave lifeline to buttler twice in one of the tests vs england and we went on to lose that game Link to comment
Suhaan Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Pant has to play this is plain and simple,you cannot hide more than two corpses in modern odi lineup VS in place of Rayudu,rayudu needs to retire to make things ingenious beetle, Mosher and bahubali 3 Link to comment
velu Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, Gollum said: Potential prospects who were ignored or undercooked: Shami 15 Rahul 14 Shankar 8 Iyer 6 Pant 4 Gill 2 Sundar 1 Siraj 1 Many haven't even been given debut, like Shaw, Saini, Gowtham, Ishan Kishan, Mayank etc. its not TMs fault when they backed rahane and pandey .. both were suppose to be our regulars who failed miserably ( i still feel rahane can do better than rayudu at #4 in england ) .. compelte waste of our effort .. rayudu , dk , axar etc Link to comment
TNAmarkFromIndia Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Pollack said: Really pathetic from the crowd and too much expectations from a rookie who isn't even made to keep regularly at internationals to accommodate a certain leech. Jesus, if you can't even deal with people chanting "Dhoni" at Pant for something he was directly responsible for, you might as well cover him in bubble wrap and have him play with 10-year-olds in the backyard where they won't make fun of him. This in international cricket. He has to deal with it and let his performances do the talking. The Hound, flamy and Laaloo 2 1 Link to comment
bahubali Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, velu said: its not TMs fault when they backed rahane and pandey .. both were suppose to be our regulars who failed miserably ( i still feel rahane can do better than rayudu at #4 in england ) .. compelte waste of our effort .. rayudu , dk , axar etc This is the major problem if you still think he is good to be in team. People talk abt his batting in swinging conditions, remind me any odi inning in any condition which suggests he can play as per modern odi demands. At this age and time his sr is 75 like rahul dravid. Not just him these incompetent selectors have backed most of the wrong players for middle orders and most of mediocre bowlers as bench strength bowler. Tell ne how unadkat, Kaul, Chahr and Thakur are ahead of Ankit, Saini , Aniket and Mavi. Also how rahane, Rayadu and Karthik are better prospect compare to agrwal, saw,Gill,pant,Rahul in loi. Edited March 10, 2019 by bahubali Link to comment
velu Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Nikola said: Those retards needs to be banned from entering cricket stadium all around world while playing international cricket. Did they go after their thala when he was so pathetic with bat for last 5 years? stadiums will be empty Nikola, Rasgulla and Real McCoy 2 1 Link to comment
wanted_desi Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) He is in under a lot of pressure, these two innings are make or break for him for World Cup. With that kind of pressure, even big guns would fail as well, Pant is a kid and really F*** the crowd. Edited March 10, 2019 by wanted_desi Mosher, beetle, Suhaan and 1 other 4 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Gollum said: ODI batsmen: - Sachin debut 1989, beast mode from mid 90s - Ganguly debut 1992, beast mode 1997 Toronto, then Independence Cup final - Dravid debut 1996, beast mode 1998-99 NZ, 1999 WC - Yuvraj debut 2000, few sparkling contributions in the start but consistent gun from 2005-06, starting from that fighting back to the wall 100 against RSA at home - Raina debut 2005, beast mode from circa 2010-11 - Dhoni debut 2004, few good knocks upfront but beast mode activated in 2006-07 starting from Pak tour - Kohli debut 2008, beast mode 2012 Hobart - Rohit Sharma debut 2007, beast mode 2013 WI tri-series followed by Oz home series - Dhawan debut 2010, beast mode 2013 CT As you can see most of our quality batsmen took 2-6 years to develop from 'talent' to 'high performer' status. Now how can we expect Pant, Rahul, Gill, Shankar etc to achieve their peak form in their 4th or 5th match? Is it fair on them? When present superstar batsmen like Kohli and Sharma took 3-5 years to justify the investment why so harsh on these rookies? Also tells how bad the planning has been since 2015 WC. We actually went backwards by selecting oldies like UV, Raina, Dhoni, DK, Rayudu in place of young blood. That must be a first. You didn't really understand the gist of the thread before going on with this post. It is not my contention that he becomes Kohli or a finished article but an insane talent has to justify the tag sooner or later. It's been always the case of now he ll deliver , today he might click but he always flatter to deceive. @rkt.india talking about LOI not tests here. And expectations are high from him, if needs to find a place in the side he has to deliver more. This batting lineup not like of previous era here if plays he will be playing at pivotal number Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) Fitting Pant in the XI is going to be challenging. For one thing not a good fielder. Still learning his keeping. Still evolving as a batsman. I very much doubt he will purely qualify as a batsman at this point. They should have groomed Shubhman Gill. I have no idea how Rayudu became a default no.4 choice for this lineup. At this point he is a future replacement for Dhoni. Edited March 11, 2019 by vvvslaxman Link to comment
SK_IH Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 And before others get their knickers in a twist and link everything to Dhoni, this is not about Dhoni at all. I am just stating Pant till now has not shown he is the answer to any of Ind middle order problem. I am not even convinced as of now if he can be a middle order option or he needs more time upfront and needs power play to make impact. flamy 1 Link to comment
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