vayuu1 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 United Nations: India’s bid to get Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed's chief Masood Azhar as a "global terrorist" by the UN Security Council was once again blocked by China as it placed a “technical” hold on the resolution on Wednesday. This is the fourth time that China has blocked the resolution against Azhar since 2009. The proposal to designate Azhar under the 1267 Al Qaeda Sanctions Committee of the UN Security Council was moved by France, the UK and the US on February 27, days after the Pulwama terror attack carried out by a suicide bomber belonging to the Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) that led to a flare-up in tensions between India and Pakistan. The Committee makes its decisions by consensus among its members. China, a veto-wielding permanent member of the Security Council, and an "all-weather ally" of Pakistan had previously blocked India's proposal from being adopted by the Sanctions Committee in 2009 and 2016. In 2017, Beijing also blocked a move by the US, the UK and France to designate Azhar as a global terrorist by the UN. A UNSC designation would have subjected Azhar to an assets freeze, travel ban and an arms embargo. An assets freeze under the Sanctions Committee requires that all states freeze without delay the funds and other financial assets or economic resources of designated individuals and entities. The travel ban entails preventing the entry into or transit by all states through their territories by designated individuals. Under the arms embargo, all states are required to prevent the direct or indirect supply, sale and transfer from their territories or by their nationals outside their territories, or using their flag vessels or aircraft, of arms and related material of all types, spare parts, and technical advice, assistance, or training related to military activities, to designated individuals and entities. Hectic diplomatic and political parleys had preceded the closely-watched March 13 deadline as New Delhi reached out to member countries of the 15-member UNSC. In the wake of the terror attack in Pulwama, India launched a major diplomatic offensive against Islamabad, holding briefing for envoys of 25 countries, including from the five permanent UNSC members — the US, China, Russia, the UK and France — to highlight Pakistan's role in using terrorism as an instrument of state policy. India also handed over to Pakistan a dossier on "specific details" of involvement of the JeM in the Pulwama terror attack. Days before the March 13 deadline on Azhar's possible listing, Foreign Secretary Vijay Gokhale met Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in Washington. The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) in New Delhi said in a statement that Pompeo expressed his "understanding" of India's concerns on cross-border terrorism. "They agreed that Pakistan needs to take concerted action to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure and to deny safe haven to all terrorist groups in its territory. They also agreed that those who support or abet terrorism in any form should be held accountable," the MEA said. On Wednesday, the US said Azhar meets the criteria to brand him as a "global terrorist" by the UN and China's opposition to the move to "update" the designation list went against the interests of Washington and Beijing in achieving regional stability and peace. "The United States and China share a mutual interest in achieving regional stability and peace, and that a failure to designate Azhar would run counter to this goal," State Department Deputy Spokesperson Robert Palladino said in response to a question on previous successful attempts by China to block the UN designation of Azhar. An inkling of China's stand on the issue had come during Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Lu Kang's press conferences on Monday and Wednesday in Beijing when he was asked about the proposal to list Azhar as a global terrorist by the UNSC. "The UN Security Council and its subsidiary bodies are run on strict rules. We already stressed China's position on the listing of terrorist organisations and individuals in the UN Security Council 1267 Committee on many occasions," Lu said on Monday. "China will continue to adopt a responsible attitude and participate in the deliberations in the UNSC 1267 Committee," Lu said on Wednesday. On the issue of listing Azhar, he said, "I want to say that China always adopts a responsible attitude, engage in consultations with various parties and properly deal with this issue." "The discussions, I want to say must follow the rules and procedures of the relevant bodies and only the solution that is acceptable to all sides is conducive for resolving the issue," he said, indicating that Beijing may again block the move to list Azhar as a global terrorist. What kind of a sick nation does that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Expected this. Nothing shocking. India has to fight alone in war against terrorism. Put more sanctions on Pakistan like MFN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Expected, we have to continue this fight ourselves. To the economists and geostrategy experts on ICF, any way we can get back at China without harming ourselves more? Edited March 13, 2019 by Gollum velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1) ban huawei first .. 2) send notice to oppo , redmi , lenova .. totally disappointed with modi and bjp .. Straight Drive, Gollum, Jatboy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, velu said: 1) ban huawei first .. 2) send notice to oppo , redmi , lenova .. totally disappointed with modi and bjp .. No need to ban raise the duty infact double it and promote manufacturing here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, vayuu1 said: No need to ban raise the duty infact double it and promote manufacturing here huawei is banned by many western nations as a proxy company for chinese army .. raise duty on other chinese companies , but doubt this is going to happen Jimmy Cliff and Gollum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Pompeo promised Modi WC abhinandan and the listing of JeM on the 1267 controls list. so basically, this just puts the situation back to the 28th february night. expect some fireworks or some strict economic action against china. Gollum and velu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, velu said: 1) ban huawei first .. 2) send notice to oppo , redmi , lenova .. totally disappointed with modi and bjp .. Even if import duty is not raised significantly by Indian government, people can stop using Lenovo, Oppo, Vivo, Huwaei,Mi etc. Govt. Interference is must because most of iNdians are not even aware which products are Chinese and which aren't. Import duty increase is a better top level strategy to make large impact. After sanctions for Huawei by US, China too needs trade with India to blossom. Gollum and velu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 China can't abandon the cheap randi. The Dark Horse, velu, Laaloo and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Time to cultivate some of those Uyghur jihadis. A couple of years back we bowed before Chinese pressure and cancelled the visa of an Uyghur activist. Also time to re-evaluate the "One China policy" Recently the spineless GOI bowed before Chinese pressure and forced Air India to remove 'Taiwan' from its website . randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: Even if import duty is not raised significantly by Indian government, people can stop using Lenovo, Oppo, Vivo, Huwaei,Mi etc. Govt. Interference is must because most of iNdians are not even aware which products are Chinese and which aren't. Import duty increase is a better top level strategy to make large impact. After sanctions for Huawei by US, China too needs trade with India to blossom. china is literally begging trump now .. worst thing for china is that both republicans and democrats are together to contain china .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, velu said: china is literally begging trump now .. worst thing for china is that both republicans and democrats are together to contain china .. Indeed US has been successful in contain information China. Certainly they are feeling economic pressure. Impact of Huwaei is better explained in this link. https://www.channele2e.com/business/enterprise/huawei-banned-in-which-countries/ Edited March 13, 2019 by Straight Drive velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 India should leave UN to show the world some guts. Tibarn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) I think JeM Masood Azhar is also Chinese asset. Pakistani establishments will and continue to rent the land and its people to some country. In past, it has Sold itself to US against Russia, Now its China against India. Right now. Chinese dragon is in adult phase while Indian elephant is just a kidult. I expect elephant to be adult in next 8-10 years Edited March 13, 2019 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Singh bling said: India should leave UN to show the world some guts. Sarcasm right? India’s and Indians real aukaat in world stage is nothing significant. Don’t even think you are equal JourneyMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Sootiya hindus are hooked on cheap chinese imports. No Indian govt would dare bring in sanctions. And since BJP lost 3 key states, even if they come back with a majority in may, labour laws aint getting changed for the foreseeable future. Accept it, democracy is a millstone around Bharat's neck. Get a fecking dictator or keep crying. FischerTal, Tibarn and Jimmy Cliff 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 42 minutes ago, surajmal said: Sootiya hindus are hooked on cheap chinese imports. No Indian govt would dare bring in sanctions. And since BJP lost 3 key states, even if they come back with a majority in may, labour laws aint getting changed for the foreseeable future. Accept it, democracy is a millstone around Bharat's neck. Get a fecking dictator or keep crying. Except you wouldn't be singing this tune if the dictator was not from your camp of stuff. Careful what you wish for. Spreading the whole ' democracy isn't working in a complex nation like India' is a cat-call for commies and its a proven fact that third world nations with poor education has a far likelier chance of putting forth a commie dictatorship than anything else. Your fascistic dictator ( which is what they'd have to be, if they are to promote nationalism, protectionism of local industry etc - definition of fascism FYI) doesn't stand much of a chance against the commie or the military junta type in terms of odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Except you wouldn't be singing this tune if the dictator was not from your camp of stuff. Careful what you wish for. Spreading the whole ' democracy isn't working in a complex nation like India' is a cat-call for commies and its a proven fact that third world nations with poor education has a far likelier chance of putting forth a commie dictatorship than anything else. Your fascistic dictator ( which is what they'd have to be, if they are to promote nationalism, protectionism of local industry etc - definition of fascism FYI) doesn't stand much of a chance against the commie or the military junta type in terms of odds. Why would I agree to a commie or a gungadeen dictator? Obviously, dictator has got to be of saffron tinge. RSS are basically socialist. I'm sure a saffron dictator can pander to the poor double digit IQ hindus just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Except you wouldn't be singing this tune if the dictator was not from your camp of stuff. Careful what you wish for. Spreading the whole ' democracy isn't working in a complex nation like India' is a cat-call for commies and its a proven fact that third world nations with poor education has a far likelier chance of putting forth a commie dictatorship than anything else. Your fascistic dictator ( which is what they'd have to be, if they are to promote nationalism, protectionism of local industry etc - definition of fascism FYI) doesn't stand much of a chance against the commie or the military junta type in terms of odds. I agree. Very dangerous in a country like India. There has never been a dictator with high morals or has been an outstanding citizen. 100% of the dictators have been douchebags of the highest order. What are the odds that the guy has a pure bias against a caste or a region or even a religion. Can you imagine a guy from DMK school of thought or for arguments sake someone from the North who hates people from the South or someone from MNS who puts Maharashtrians first etc etc, recipe for disaster. Obvioulsy ruling out failed ideas like communism. Our best bet is having a shrewd but honest politician elected from a democratic process who plays from the inside . I thought Modi was the guy but so far meh. Our democracy for all its flaws has what has kept this country alive and kicking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, surajmal said: Why would I agree to a commie or a gungadeen dictator? Obviously, dictator has got to be of saffron tinge. RSS are basically socialist. I'm sure a saffron dictator can pander to the poor double digit IQ hindus just fine. Arre baba, your chances of getting anything but a commie dictator in a low education, low economics country is very slim. Look at fecking world history FFS! Low education + low economics in a country that goes dictatorship route = 1. commie is the runaway winner. 2. distant second is military dictatorship. 3. rest hardly ever factors. So asking for a dictatorship in India is an odds-on own-goal from your part. Nevermind the fact that dictatorships almost never work out to serve the masses better and only serve the elites associated with the dictatorship. Why the * would we want to be like China ? Odds are, we are more likely to end up as Chinese masses, that are severely oppressed, than the elites of the CPC that get all the privilege. Ofcourse, RSS links = you may have an inside track to being an elite in this scenario and serve yourself at the expense of the people of the nation. Yet another example why nationalism is far inferior and a bakwaas ideology in contrast to patriotism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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