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What is your realistic take of India’s chances against each team this WC?

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Put your patriotism and jingoism aside. Also try not to be superstitious or go the jinxing route.

 

This is not about what you want but what your gut feel tells you.

 

Strange things happen like losing to Pak and SL In CT or tie with Afghanistan in Asia cup.

 

Infact sure Pak is not a pushover or at the same time a legendary team but no one saw that drubbing in the final. 

 

Afghanistan- should be an easy win for India

Srilanka- Should be an easy win for India

Bangladesh- Will be a challenge but expect India to pull this one off

Pakistan- 50- 50 anyone’s game- Not super-confident. Have a bad feeling about this though.

South Africa- India should win. SA has a fragile middle order and they can’t play spin. Also their LOI bowling is nothing what it once was.

WI- Have a feeling This one will be an upset with WI going over. India on paper are overwhelming favorites but think this one will be advantage WI.

Australia- I think after this series, Aussies have the mental edge and momentum. Australia wins.

Nzl- I was pleasantly surprised by the drubbing we gave Nzl but think this time they will be better prepared to handle Kul-Cha as they always raise their game in WC’s and feel they want it a lot more this time.

England- England will win. It is going to be a batting shoot out and they have to be the favorites. They got better dealing with Kul-Cha as the series progressed last time too.

 

 

Things looking bleak. What is your take?

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As posted on “how many games Ind will win thread” 

 

* Favs vs subcon teams (95% to 55% depending upon the opposition)

* 50-50 vs WI and SA 

* Eng, NZ and Aus will start as fav against us (80% to 60% depending upon opposition) 

 

Have to be careful of SL, WI and SA, who could sink our boat 

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You need three fast bowlers to do well in the world cup. If Bhuvi, Shami and Bumrah have to play who is dropping out.Pandya cannot be expected to do much after his back injury.

 

This Indian team is so unbalanced team, they have the weakest middle and lower middle order of all teams.

 

I won't be shocked if they won't make semis.

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Just now, zen said:

As posted on “how many games Ind will win thread” 

 

* Favs vs subcon teams (95% to 55% depending upon the opposition)

* 50-50 vs WI and SA 

* Eng, NZ and Aus will start as fab against us (80% to 60% depending upon opposition) 

 

Have to be careful of SL, WI and SA, who could sink are boat 

SA should not be a problem, if we think our middle order is fragile they are worse.

 

On English pattas, their bowling should be easy for our batsman who like true bounce and like to hit through the line, their spinners including Tahir should not be a major problem for us.

 

Srilanka bowling again is in our ball park.

 

Scared of WI because they have players with X factor and on their day they can demolish our team. They are decent  players of spin as well which is our strength.

 

Obviously stranger things have happened, I am just going by what is happening in world cricket right now. 

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8 minutes ago, maniac said:

SA should not be a problem, if we think our middle order is fragile they are worse.

 

On English pattas, their bowling should be easy for our batsman who like true bounce and like to hit through the line, their spinners including Tahir should not be a major problem for us.

 

Srilanka bowling again is in our ball park.

 

Scared of WI because they have players with X factor and on their day they can demolish our team. They are decent  players of spin as well which is our strength.

 

Obviously stranger things have happened, I am just going by what is happening in world cricket right now. 

In bilateral games, you would expect stronger sides to triump playing against the same opposition .... In round robin formats where you play a team once, it depends upon performance on the day .... and WI and SA have players to pick up their game on the day. SL not as much but can be more dangerous relative to BD. I would not write any major team completely off 

 

(Do not just use bilaterals to judge things. Teams like NZ, for e.g., punch above their weight in ICC events esp in SENA / outside subcon) 

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If I have to break it down by countries, at this point, Ind win chances against: 

 

95%: PAK and AFG

75%: BD

55%: SL

50%: WI and SA

40%: Aus 

30%: NZ

20%: Eng 

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7 minutes ago, zen said:

In bilateral games, you would expect stronger sides to triump playing against the same opposition .... In round robin formats where you play a team once, it depends upon performance on the day .... and WI and SA have players to pick up their game on the day. SL not as much but can be more dangerous relative to BD. I would not write any major team completely off 

 

(Do not just use bilaterals to judge things. Teams like NZ, for e.g., punch above their weight in ICC events esp in SENA / outside subcon) 

India has had some nail biters with Bangladesh in LOIs. Pretty much every game has gone down to the wire.

 

Yeah Srilanka can pull a bunny out of the hat like against us in CT or against SA but I am

solely going based on the quality of the team.

 

We can say oh it’s a shoot out anyone can beat anyone, there is no fun in that, obviously trying to predict based on current team, current events, pitches,opposition etc etc

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Ind is one of top teams in ODI cricket. Just because Aus won this series people have put them on the pedestal of favourites and Ind have been degraded to be a fringe player in the tournament.

 

There is 2 months time before the WC and these WC are mostly about being in form on a roll during that time. Every team has issues, so does Ind.

However Ind has lots of quality as well. Ind won't be push overs in the WC , infact will be one of the team's to beat.

On topic, games against EngI,Aus and NZ would be the toughest, where in I have least faith in beating Eng.

India making semis for sure

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Gut instinct, no logic and hence won't explain. 

Group stage-

Easy win against Afg, Ban, Lanka, Eng, RSA

Tough win (last over thriller) against Pak, WI

Lose against Aus, NZ fairly tamely

 

We will finish 2nd or 3rd in the group and qualify for semis to take on either Eng or Oz. Kohli will win toss and elect to field and we will get a thrashing for the ages, even CT F will pale before it. If we run into Eng they will score 400-450 courtesy a massive choke by the bowlers, then proceed to win by 250-300 runs. Top 3 will fail in the crucial match like always, Kohli will once again prove what an overhyped ODI bat he is and I will request mods to lock that joke Viv-Kohli thread for good. Dhoni will as usual play a pointless innings like WC 2015 SF and plod away to a worthless 60, @velu will open 679 threads about how Dhoni has to come back in test team and also lead the team in ODIs/T20s. The ICC tourney drought will continue. 

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My expectations are cratering fast not because of batting which we cant do anything about now but our bowling which has shown that they just suck so badly on flat pitches with no plan,no changes of pace and length.its shocking that IPL has not prepared them to bowl on flat pitches and the majority of the pitches we will see in the WC will be really flat.

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* Assuming Kohli for once will read the pitch properly and select appropriate 11 and openers are in at least decent form.

 

 

Sure wins: Afg (theiir spinners wont be effective), WI (Both of our batting may be good but our bowling is superior), NZ (I dont think they will do well against spin this time as well), SA (Even when they were having great players, they lost against us in Eng)

 

Potential banana skins: Sub continent teams Bang, SL, Pak..We are better than them so if we play by full potential we can easily win but if we are complacent we can be easily beaten by these teams.

 

Tough to win: Eng

 

Sure to lose: Aus

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6 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

My expectations are cratering fast not because of batting which we cant do anything about now but our bowling which has shown that they just suck so badly on flat pitches with no plan,no changes of pace and length.its shocking that IPL has not prepared them to bowl on flat pitches and the majority of the pitches we will see in the WC will be really flat.

Least worried about bowling. The Rat would be augmented by Dhoni and Rohit as well. The use and management of 5th-6th bowler would be crucial. Ind has been bowling out opposition lately even on flat tracks.

Its just Virat has to make up his mind about playing 2 wristys or not.

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Afghanistan- should be an easy win for India

Srilanka- Should be an easy win for India

Bangladesh-  easy win for us 

Pakistan-  Indian win ,boys will be up for it

South Africa- India should win. SA has a fragile middle order and they can’t play spin. Also their LOI bowling is nothing what it once was.

WI- Have a feeling windieswill smash us.

Australia-  India will beat them this time 

Nzl- think nzl will nick this one,Indian batting is clueless against Henry and boult 

England- England will win.

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7 hours ago, Gollum said:

Gut instinct, no logic and hence won't explain. 

Group stage-

Easy win against Afg, Ban, Lanka, Eng, RSA

Tough win (last over thriller) against Pak, WI

Lose against Aus, NZ fairly tamely

 

We will finish 2nd or 3rd in the group and qualify for semis to take on either Eng or Oz. Kohli will win toss and elect to field and we will get a thrashing for the ages, even CT F will pale before it. If we run into Eng they will score 400-450 courtesy a massive choke by the bowlers, then proceed to win by 250-300 runs. Top 3 will fail in the crucial match like always, Kohli will once again prove what an overhyped ODI bat he is and I will request mods to lock that joke Viv-Kohli thread for good. Dhoni will as usual play a pointless innings like WC 2015 SF and plod away to a worthless 60, @velu will open 679 threads about how Dhoni has to come back in test team and also lead the team in ODIs/T20s. The ICC tourney drought will continue. 

Apt ,a better in form team will smash us to pieces just like pak in CT,aus in wc15,windies in wt20 

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3-4 wins, out before semi final. This team could lose to any team except Afghanistan and SL. Heck, even SL beat us in CT! I am already looking forward to the rebuilding process which hopefully will happen right after the world cup. 

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Doesnt look good on paper but then this team has over achieved .I have been surprised by some of their  wins in Sa ,Aus,Nz but somewhere down the line the weakness will be exploited like it happened in this series .For me a lot depends on our bowling and fielding ,the batting looks too shaky.

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11 hours ago, Gollum said:

Gut instinct, no logic and hence won't explain. 

Group stage-

Easy win against Afg, Ban, Lanka, Eng, RSA

Tough win (last over thriller) against Pak, WI

Lose against Aus, NZ fairly tamely

 

We will finish 2nd or 3rd in the group and qualify for semis to take on either Eng or Oz. Kohli will win toss and elect to field and we will get a thrashing for the ages, even CT F will pale before it. If we run into Eng they will score 400-450 courtesy a massive choke by the bowlers, then proceed to win by 250-300 runs. Top 3 will fail in the crucial match like always, Kohli will once again prove what an overhyped ODI bat he is and I will request mods to lock that joke Viv-Kohli thread for good. Dhoni will as usual play a pointless innings like WC 2015 SF and plod away to a worthless 60, @velu will open 679 threads about how Dhoni has to come back in test team and also lead the team in ODIs/T20s. The ICC tourney drought will continue. 

Just adding something to Gollums post here.

 

India's problems are more or less the same since the 2.5 decades or so that I've been watching cricket. The team suffers from

a superstar culture much like the other different fields in the country. Mostly the team is built around 1 or 2 guys at best. Team building culture is just not there, IMO. The middle and lower order hasn't been given a chance to be built and tested long enough at the cost of this superstar culture and the crazy management which has either no patience or a myopic vision and the lack of balls to drop players who aren't good anymore.  The side lacks heavy hitters throughout the batting order. It is EASY and I repeat very easy for a batting heavy team to just brush aside this team as seen in the wc 2003 final, WC 2015 semi and the 2016  WT20 semi.

 

Of all the various Indian teams I've seen and performances only the 2010/11 team comes close to a solid team with performances from Tendulkar Gambhir Yuvraj Zaheer help us see a win. You need a core of 5-6 players delivering back to back in terms of batting to help us win the cup.

 

The only good thing in the last 2 years is the performances of our bowlers. I'd like to give Kohli and the team management credit for just that. I've said this before, saying it again if we win the cup it'll be because of our bowlers and if we lose it, its the batsmen.

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Generally the game against Pak should be a relatively easy one considering the respective team's strength like we have showed in Asia Cup. But in WC, with the additional pressure of WC streak, memory of CT final loss, Recent terror/military incidents, I'm bit worried about the pressure handling of the current crop who seems to be leagues below on mental strength level to the other Indian WC outfits that took on Pakistan before. Likes of Rayudu, Chahal, Pant, Jadhav, Rohit, Bhuvi even Bumrah for a bit, do not seem to handle any additional pressures when they are down. So the game against Pak might be a very tricky one if Kohli has an off day.

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India's strength traditionally has been batting but this time around, I dont feel confident about our batting. Barring top 3(with Dhawan's patchy form) and shaky middle order and not much firepower in lower order, I feel all games against big teams will be tough. Even bowling doesnt seem much to write about, especially seam attack barring Bumrah. 

 

I honestly feel India have punched well above their weight recently in ODIs. With other teams bringing their best in WC, Indian team will be in for a tough challenge. 

 

Should start as favorites against SC teams but could be anyone's game against SENA teams.

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On 3/14/2019 at 11:17 AM, R!TTER said:

I'm not counting any tie as a confirmed win, even if it's Afg - we've seen worse days in 1975, 79, 92, 99 & 2007 so any amount of complacency will only knock us out earlier.

how does your complacency affect the outcome of the match ? :dontknow:

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I think the Indians are experimenting too much. They should have fixed their squad by now, taking provisions for injury 

Secondly the IPL is not going to help them. 

It's not easy travelling city to city and playing high intensity games without break 

There can be needless injuries and may also cause technique issues

Thirdly  the transitions from IPL to odi and that too in a totally different conditions 

I'm not sure if Indians are the top fav to win this WC 

At best they can reach the semis.. That too if they have enough in their tank 

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Afghanistan- IND should win this - The spin trio may have possed a bigger threat in sub-continent but should be fine in Eng.

Srilanka- I can't really see SL doing well here. Seems to be alot of internal problem (most recent with the coach aswell)

Bangladesh- This guys are a mystery. Really depends on how many senior player performs. Could be walk in the park or a touch and go battle but IND should win if top 3 doesn't get out cheaply.

Pakistan- Same situation as BD, however they have a better chance of winning V IND

South Africa- I would say IND would win this one. SA seems to fragile these days. AB should hav stuck around.

WI- I worry about Gayle on top order and Russell at bottom. Even a 400+ won't look safe if Gayle keeps his current form.

Australia- Australia wins this.

Nzl- I would say NZ will also win this

England- England Wins (possibly the WC aswell). Too effing strong from top to bottom. You can't have a Dhoni playing a 90 ball 50 and put on a sub-par score and expect these boys to roll over. It would take the bowlers everything they got and even some more to pull this off. 

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On 3/15/2019 at 12:34 AM, Aiden said:

First 4 games India likely to win with first 3 convincingly making it easier for them in later stage against tough teams. ICC has made sure India has a very favourable schedule to qualify for semis.

I'm starting to realize why you have so many negative trolling feedback here. Every team will have to play the same amount of games in the group stage, wtf kind of logic are you spitting out here? Regardless of if we are playing England or Afghanistan on our first game or last game, we still have to play against them and beat them. Stupidity has no limit here ...

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