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I condemn the terror attacks.  

 

Unfortunately, this seems to be the future across the world with the decline in economy and disenfranchisement of the voters, I expect more of this as a result. 

 

The attacker supposedly mentioned Christianity as one of the factors in his actions.

 

I for one view the Muslim-Christian conflict to carry on for the foreseeable future. The lull in the 'holy wars' we have seen for the last several decades was only a temporary thing. 

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4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

at a lesser cost than if every religion as allowed its own homeland. 

That is your assumption. Can't say about Goa or some tiny NE state , but if sikhs had been settled in UP on the land that muslims leave then they had no chance of demanding homeland . They had and still have only waffer thin majority in Punjab. 

 

And you are saying less because because of present situation. If ever nuclear buttons are pressed then you cannot say that the cost was less. 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Zero_Unit said:

I have a feeling you didn't understand a single thing I laid out for you and trying to put words into my mouth that I haven't said. Never said wait around for the bloodshed to finish and till these morons matures up, however bombing them to infinity will not change the idiology, Infact will make it worst.

 

There are f'up widespread sh*t going around all over the world, just cause fox news or cnn isn't picking it up, doesn't mean it's not happening. Race, religion, color, you name it, it's happening. Just look at Africa and their war child - lot of them are Christians. F'ing eating people's heart after killing them - am not making this sh*t up.

 

You are probably used to watching western culture tv - since you did mention Christian kids are not taking up the arms -  that's why Christianity looks very civilized in your eyes. Also, from your innocent reply, am assuming you are ignorant about what actually happens around the world (not saying that you are stupid - just saying that you are uninformed and should get informed). Evil is evil, regardless of the religion they follow. But in the eyes of the terrorist, evil is the one who is bombing them aswell. It's a double edge sword here. You can't beat an idiology with bombs/police/etc. It may prevent it for the moment, but doesn't stop the idiology - just like how religion is spread through out generations in the form of an idiology. To you and I, those damn Muslim terrorist are evil, to them the americans are for bombing their parents/kids/spouses/ taking possession of their land.

 

You still haven't answered my question, you laid out your plan on what you will do, but I gave you an example on how your idea looks good on paper but when it comes to executing it, it's not as easy. Do you agree? How would you tackle it in real world? I have no better answer so I wouldn't be able to answer this hard question either.

I heard it's an Australian who have committed this crime. So let's look into their news tabloids. 

 

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They are actually acknowledging this and you can expect their government to help out with the investigations and to take action against the culprits. Do you see this happening in Muslim nations? It's the mindset of the people that shapes up their community, religion and country. Don't expect others to clean up your mess. 

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Apparently he visited Pakistan and called it a wonderful place to visit so I’m guessing he wasn’t a Muslim hating man all his life. Something must have happened in the last couple of years for him to have gone this crazy. 


He said he was inspired by Breivik.

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Apparently he visited Pakistan and called it a wonderful place to visit so I’m guessing he wasn’t a Muslim hating man all his life. Something must have happened in the last couple of years for him to have gone this crazy. 


He said he was inspired by Breivik.

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24 minutes ago, FischerTal said:

Apparently he visited Pakistan and called it a wonderful place to visit so I’m guessing he wasn’t a Muslim hating man all his life. Something must have happened in the last couple of years for him to have gone this crazy. 

He has a manifesto online, he said he was inspired to take up arms after a terrorist killed an 11-yr old girl in Stockholm named Ebba Akerland and whose grave was vandalized by migrants 30 times.  

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So now the reason for terrorism in India, is because we took away their favorite food "beef"? 
 
If some Hindu nutcase is using my religion for wrong doings, I feel responsible and do whatever in my part to stop these scums. The concept of Muslim terrorism didn't came yesterday, so what have these people doing in the last two decades to curb this? 
Directive principles of state policy which are fundamental to governance of country say govt must prevent cow slaughter and improve animal husbandry.Our constitution itself prohibits cow slaughter.

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4 hours ago, R!TTER said:

We also lived with each other for 1200-1300 years. Under Hindu rule, Muslim rule as one - there are still close to 250 million Muslims in India. How does that prove anything but that 2 nation theory was flawed? Heck if Congress & Nehru agreed to some form of power sharing we wouldn't have had Pak, possibly something along the lines of present day J&K.

 

Total peace is not possible even in the west, but this obsession about everything India (or Pak) wouldn't have been there saving us billions in arms purchases - which could then be diverted for development. It's no surprise that the most prosperous nations on earth haven't fought war over the last century or so.

was there peace in those 1200-1300 years?

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3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

then its also hard to feel sympathetic to hindus who get blown up by muslims because of hindu killers, right ?


Still waiting to see how you prove that you take action against these killer hindus and how a muslim is supposed to prove that to you. Or how you can actually justify personal consequence without personal action. I guess this is what third world jahilliyaat does to people's brains. 

hindus are getting killed for eternity.  it is not something that started after some muslims got killed for beef.  killings for beef has just been hindu reaction to hindu killings.

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2 hours ago, cric_fan said:

 


He said he was inspired by Breivik.

 

Don't know who that is, don't want to know.  

 

Terrible, terrible tragedy.  There should be global restrictions and extreme vetting on automatic and semi-automatic weapons.  This is unacceptable.  

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8 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Electronic media reporting this was a revenge attack carried out to take revenge of a death caused by Islamic State of Iraq and Syria affiliated person.

I'm not buying this unless meaningful proof is published - I'm inclined to believe that this guy would not have cared much if it was a mandir instead of a masjid.  

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22 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Imran Khan who did not have any words of criticism for the Pulwama attackers has many words to speak this times though. 

 

"I blame these increasing terror attacks on the current Islamophobia post-9/11 where Islam & 1.3 bn Muslims have collectively been blamed for any act of terror by a Muslim. This has been done deliberately to also demonize legitimate Muslim political struggles.

 

Imran's tweet.

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14 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

"I blame these increasing terror attacks on the current Islamophobia post-9/11 where Islam & 1.3 bn Muslims have collectively been blamed for any act of terror by a Muslim. This has been done deliberately to also demonize legitimate Muslim political struggles.

 

Imran's tweet.

This tweet is reaction to today's attack. Did IK call Pulwama a terror attack and condemn it? More importantly what action has he taken against terror to support that he is against terrorism. Giving obvious statements isn't enough

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Taliban Khan at it again :cantstop:

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

was there peace in those 1200-1300 years?

Is there peace today? Peace has to be given a chance, the Muslim rulers or invaders the other person was talking about - they were no different from many Hindu rulers, albeit they hid behind spreading Islam excuse. A common Muslim man could be more religious than the avg Hindu guy, but he's not looking to burn temples, convert people or kill innocents just in the name of Islam. Yeah there  are probably more extremists in that community but they don't define the Muslim populace in India. I'll want a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer to be punished regardless of religion, to the full extent of law. India of today wasn't born in a vacuum - all the communal tension aside, the likes of Rafi, Dilip Sahab, SRK et al have contributed to our nation just as much as any other Hindu. It isn't their fault that Jinnah thought Muslims couldn't live in peace with Hindus, likewise it isn't the fault of peace loving Muslims in India that terrorists attacking the nation are from the same faith, albeit mostly from Pak.

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43 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

"I blame these increasing terror attacks on the current Islamophobia post-9/11 where Islam & 1.3 bn Muslims have collectively been blamed for any act of terror by a Muslim. This has been done deliberately to also demonize legitimate Muslim political struggles.

 

Imran's tweet.

ball tamperor kaptaan saahab at his very best ....  being oppertunistic  to  stabilize his    position. He didn't utter a word against Pulwama attack. Now  being eager to blame    the culprits when the  victims were  muslims .Such a double standard oppertunistic hypocrite.

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5 hours ago, Lannister said:

I heard it's an Australian who have committed this crime. So let's look into their news tabloids. 

 

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They are actually acknowledging this and you can expect their government to help out with the investigations and to take action against the culprits. Do you see this happening in Muslim nations? It's the mindset of the people that shapes up their community, religion and country. Don't expect others to clean up your mess. 

Don't bother quoting people if you have nothing productive to add. Don't tell me "yours" when I made it clear that am an atheist nor do I live in a Muslim country. Also do bother answering the questions asked instead of p*ssy footing around it

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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

I'm not buying this unless meaningful proof is published - I'm inclined to believe that this guy would not have cared much if it was a mandir instead of a masjid.  

it was pre-planned.  It was Friday.  They knew they will have number of people in the Mosque.

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My heart goes out to all those who lost loved ones. RIP. 

 

Every terror attack is the same. Such killings cannot be condoned in anyway. Will anything ever change? My humble request. Do not go to extremism. Let law enforcement and judiciary take care of the problems. Do not get carried away? Its a fire that does not discriminate. It just burns.

 

peace.

 

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To me, this man seems bipolar. He claims to hate Foreigners but was supposedly traveling all over the world for the past couple of years. He was most likely triggered very easily and the killing of this young girl was a trigger for him to do something that would resolve the internal struggles of his life. What I’m worried about is that he, like many other supremacists get their indoctrination from sites like 4chan and 8chan. Is anything being done to stop that? If groups like daesh and al-qaeda are condemned for spreading hatred and violence, these websites are a cesspool of the lowest form of human degenerates. 

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5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

hindus are getting killed for eternity.  it is not something that started after some muslims got killed for beef.  killings for beef has just been hindu reaction to hindu killings.

Thats not the point. The point is, if its okay to blame a random muslim today for a terrorist attack by a random muslim yesterday, then its also okay to blame a random hindu today for a murder committed by random hindu yesterday due to cow politics. 

 

THats a pretty simple, basic point. If you wish to say 'what did you expect' to a person who has zero personal liability to a problem, just because of shared identity, then it also applies to hindus and the opposition is equally valid to say 'what did you expect' to a random hindu ( of zero personal liability) because he/she shares identity with a random hindu murderer. 

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4 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

ball tamperor kaptaan saahab at his very best ....  being oppertunistic  to  stabilize his    position. He didn't utter a word against Pulwama attack. Now  being eager to blame    the culprits when the  victims were  muslims .Such a double standard oppertunistic hypocrite.

To be fair, for outsiders, there is always a difference when military gets to be at the recieving end of terrorism vs civillians. 

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This incident will actually push left leaning individuals to be more 'left'.

The major fear of leftists is majority engulfing minority irrespective of caste, race, religion, immigrants, refugees etc. One of the reason why leftist in India are very quick to label Hindu terror for random fringe groups. 

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12 hours ago, rkt.india said:

hindus are getting killed for eternity.  it is not something that started after some muslims got killed for beef.  killings for beef has just been hindu reaction to hindu killings.

I believe cow-related incidents have stopped after public backlash on social media. That is also one of the black marks on Modi's government. 

 

Some stupid people is trying to equate it to decade old terrorism that's been happening on Hindus just to divert the topic. 

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35 minutes ago, Lannister said:

I believe cow-related incidents have stopped after public backlash on social media. That is also one of the black marks on Modi's government. 

 

Some stupid people is trying to equate it to decade old terrorism that's been happening on Hindus just to divert the topic. 

Stop trying to act childish.

The point has been made several times and you ran away from it. 


Its very simple:

Random muslims get killed = " what did they expect, when random muslim jihadis blow up people" ?

By that same standard, it should be:

Random hindu gets killed = " what did they expect, when random hindu cow fanatic kills people" ?

 

Until you can answer why not, when both are questions of random people being killed for what they IDENTIFY with, because of another random murderer who has the same IDENTITY LABEL, you have no case, except being tacitly bigoted.

 

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14 hours ago, sandeep said:

There should be global restrictions and extreme vetting on automatic and semi-automatic weapons.  This is unacceptable.  

Guns are already banned in NZ I believe. In countries where they had gun control, only criminals/antisocial elements find a way to buy guns. Not saying that everyone should have guns but the logic is not sound

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14 hours ago, R!TTER said:

Taliban Khan at it again :cantstop:

Is there peace today? Peace has to be given a chance, the Muslim rulers or invaders the other person was talking about - they were no different from many Hindu rulers, albeit they hid behind spreading Islam excuse. A common Muslim man could be more religious than the avg Hindu guy, but he's not looking to burn temples, convert people or kill innocents just in the name of Islam. Yeah there  are probably more extremists in that community but they don't define the Muslim populace in India. I'll want a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer to be punished regardless of religion, to the full extent of law. India of today wasn't born in a vacuum - all the communal tension aside, the likes of Rafi, Dilip Sahab, SRK et al have contributed to our nation just as much as any other Hindu. It isn't their fault that Jinnah thought Muslims couldn't live in peace with Hindus, likewise it isn't the fault of peace loving Muslims in India that terrorists attacking the nation are from the same faith, albeit mostly from Pak.

Yes, things are far more peaceful now than we ever were.  100% peace is never possible, not even the most developed countries.

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8 hours ago, Pollack said:

This incident will actually push left leaning individuals to be more 'left'.

The major fear of leftists is majority engulfing minority irrespective of caste, race, religion, immigrants, refugees etc. One of the reason why leftist in India are very quick to label Hindu terror for random fringe groups. 

leftists have nowhere to hide.  They have killed more people in the world than any other ideology.

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9 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Thats not the point. The point is, if its okay to blame a random muslim today for a terrorist attack by a random muslim yesterday, then its also okay to blame a random hindu today for a murder committed by random hindu yesterday due to cow politics. 

 

THats a pretty simple, basic point. If you wish to say 'what did you expect' to a person who has zero personal liability to a problem, just because of shared identity, then it also applies to hindus and the opposition is equally valid to say 'what did you expect' to a random hindu ( of zero personal liability) because he/she shares identity with a random hindu murderer. 

Difference is someone getting killed for cow and beef are stray incidents.  They are not norms.  Things did not go out of hand. While killings for Islam are happening all over the world.  They kill even their own just because they are from a different sect of Islam. And you will always have some extreme elements in every sphere, in every religion, in every ideology.  None left, center or right or hindu, muslim or christian is exception.  Too much belief in any ideology or religion will lead to extreme behavior when people become averse to challenging their beliefs. 

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22 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Guns are already banned in NZ I believe. In countries where they had gun control, only criminals/antisocial elements find a way to buy guns. Not saying that everyone should have guns but the logic is not sound

Guns are not banned in NZ, they are regulated. As for criminals/anti-socials, thats more or less false. Cost of guns in countries that ban guns (like UK) end up being over 10K for a semi automatic. It means your anti-socials, in 99% cases, dont have them and criminals who do, are the serious hardcore mafia gangs- who have guns anyways. All societies that ban guns show a remarkable drop in gun related violence/suicides.

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2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Difference is someone getting killed for cow and beef are stray incidents.  They are not norms.  Things did not go out of hand. While killings for Islam are happening all over the world.  They kill even their own just because they are from a different sect of Islam. And you will always have some extreme elements in every sphere, in every religion, in every ideology.  None left, center or right or hindu, muslim or christian is exception.  Too much belief in any ideology or religion will lead to extreme behavior when people become averse to challenging their beliefs. 

Sure. 

Cow killings are 100 times less than Islamists, even more.


But it doesn't answer my point - if we can say 'oh well, what did you expect' when 40 innocent muslims get murdered, because some random, unrelated terrorist happened to be muslim, why can't we say 'oh well, what did you expect' when 2 innocent hindus get murdered, because some random, unrelated gau-rakshaks murdered someone ?


In BOTH cases, people its diminishing the deaths of innocent people because unrelated, random criminals from their stated faith killed someone else. So why can't we take the same attitude for Hindus ?

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36 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, things are far more peaceful now than we ever were.  100% peace is never possible, not even the most developed countries.

What does this have to do with my point that a united India could be more peaceful than the one we inherited - after Partition, no thanks to Congress & Nehru! Let's say we resolve the Kashmir issue somehow, do you think Pak will let India be then? India is the antithesis of Pak, it's the opposite of everything they're taught in their history books - India wasn't even supposed to be united after a while, given what many Brits hoped or predicted & yet here we are! India's strength has always been diversity, we tolerate the minority or the majority theatrics from time to time, we aren't China or Pak in that regard. Is that perfect - no, however it's better than concentration reeducation camps or forced conversions.

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It's well and good to condemn the racism by whites, and obviously the terrorism should be condemned, but it takes two hands to clap. Migration is an issue with the rise of right-wing populism according to even Hilary Clinton.     

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/hillary-clinton-europe-must-curb-immigration-stop-populists-trump-brexit

 

When white people see these types of posts and open bigotry against whites is normalized in the WEst, what else will you get but Brexit, Trump, etc

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8 hours ago, rkt.india said:

leftists have nowhere to hide.  They have killed more people in the world than any other ideology.

 

8 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Islam says hello.

While the likes of Mao & Stalin killed more people , it was driven more by a lust for power than any ideology.. Islam on the other hand has successfully indoctrinated its followers on a path of violence against the non-believers. Need radical reforms in that community 

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