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8 minutes ago, mishra said:

But thats not the rule? Is it? Onus is on bat to stay in crease till ball is released?

Batman did stay in the crease per how the bowler was “expected” to bowl normally 

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5 minutes ago, zen said:

Sports is expected to be played in correct spirit. He set the batsman up, who was doing his normal stuff 

 

I would not do it. And would not condone my team doing it

 

 

Where do you draw the line? 

 

If bowler a  is bending their arm at 14.8% 

Is taking heaps of wickets And  the other bowler with an arm straight as an arrow gets less wicket than him, would you call that violating the spirit of cricket.

 

See what Ashwin did was a little too much and I personally think it took away from a fantastic comeback win for Punjab and even Ashwin’s bowling where he bowled real well.

 

Calling him a cheat,con is a little too much, he pushed the envelope within the rules to win his team a game. That’s about it.

 

If there was anything that was beyond the “rules” then blame the umpires for missing it

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@zen vs @Muloghonto debate will be unstoppable force vs immovable object, also <50 word posts vs 2000 word essays, West India vs East, USA vs Canada, veganism vs non-veg, Lara vs Sachin fanboyism an additional dimension. Hope to see these 2 debate over some topic, in their minds both are also undefeated in arguments on ICF no matter how wrong they are in the eyes of others, plus both are always willing to stretch the battle for weeks.

 

P.S: j/k guys, hope I haven't incurred your wrath :nervous::icflove:

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13 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Where do you draw the line? 

 

If bowler a  is bending their arm at 14.8% 

Is taking heaps of wickets And  the other bowler with an arm straight as an arrow gets less wicket than him, would you call that violating the spirit of cricket.

 

See what Ashwin did was a little too much and I personally think it took away from a fantastic comeback win for Punjab and even Ashwin’s bowling where he bowled real well.

 

Calling him a cheat,con is a little too much, he pushed the envelope within the rules to win his team a game. That’s about it.

 

If there was anything that was beyond the “rules” then blame the umpires for missing it

Nobody can call him cheat here. It went to umpire and umpire declared out. He merely appealed. Probably against the spirit of the game. But if Butler is known to leave the crease too often to steal the strike then it is not that offensive as we think. If only Walsh had done the same against pakistan in 1987 world cup they might have even won the world cup. He got spirit award lol That is it.

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I liked the video of Gayle. Bowled normally. Saw the batsman run and then stopped (was within his rights to run the batsman out) :hatsoff:

 

Here Ashwin pretend to bowl, stopped when the batsman got out during his normal stride when the bowler is expected to deliver the ball, and ran him out  .... a con job 

 

 

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1 hour ago, zen said:

I liked the video of Gayle. Bowled normally. Saw the batsman run and then stopped (was within his rights to run the batsman out) :hatsoff:

I think in international matches even Ash will be more measured, will at least give a warning as he did to Thirimanne in 2012 CB series....ICC is directly involved there. 

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Here Ashwin pretend to bowl, stopped when the batsman got out during his normal stride when the bowler is expected to deliver the ball, and ran him out  .... a con job 

 

IPL deserves this, because it is cricket entertainment as @Mariyam succinctly explained to a noob like me.

 

And if the IPL bosses had any brains they would be happy with what they saw today, Ashwin was trending at no 1 worldwide on twitter for many hours at a stretch (even now I guess), in fact IPL completely superseded the election stories despite RaGa's best efforts earlier today. 

 

Those who run the show will be busy

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On twitter mainly Poms are getting worked up. And Pak!s, but that's expected after what Ash did to their chucker sena...that stunt he pulled off in Dhaka>>>>2011 Mohali.

 

Majority Indians behaving like tools as expected, spirit of cricket in one line and elaborate details about Ashwin's anatomy and what they plan to do to his family in the next sentence, Indian social media never change. 

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It’s a sport. Sportsmanship is something I can understand. WTH is spirit of cricket. Cheating according to select few standards. As if cricket is held to a higher standard then other sports. 

 

Rules are rules in any game. Batters taking undue advantage is cheating, Running out of crease before the ball is delivered is cheating. No one does anything about that and people starts moaning as if the bowlers have killed someone. Poor bowlers.... they just don’t have anything going for them. 

 

For people calling out Ashwin, I believe he is one of the great thinking cricketer and he has started a fire to change the definition. Mankading should be called action against cheating, Not against spirit of cricket. 

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Shane Warne: “Harsha, if that had of been an international player you would have nailed him ! Please do not be bias & stick up for your own. Any player in the game that does that to anyone is an embarrassment to the game & as captain it’s even more disgraceful ! #spiritofthegame !”

 

Paul Collingwood: “No deliberate attempt to steal some ground from @josbuttler If @ashwinravi99 didn’t stop, turn then take the bails off he wouldn’t have left his crease!! Disgraceful decision!!! Fair play award certainly isn’t going to Mohali [home of Kings XI Punjab].”

 

Source: Independent 

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2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

This is Dhoni down to the core, why do you think CSK won so many titles with him & Mama at the helm? Also I've never found Dhoni to be in the same category as Dravid, Ganguly or Kumble, heck Virat outshines him in terms of leadership on the field. Captaincy is something different but I've never seen Dhoni to be a "leader" especially after his processes' BS & stabbing every senior in the back!

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2 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Who the phuck cares. KL's team won. That's what it matters. 

 

The game is already screwed to benefit the batsmen. Bowlers should use every trick in the book to get these MOFOs out. 

They don’t seem to need too many tricks to get KL out these days  though :giggle:

 

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8 hours ago, Gollum said:

What is disgraceful is 2 teams still allowed to play this league inspite of overwhelming corruption charges.

What are those that ammount to the said teams being disallowed from playing IPL. And what are those teams pls. Clarify with evidence to support your argument.

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5 hours ago, mishra said:

Read it again. Tell me where it says Ashwin? Whwere it mentions Butler? Where it mentions warning? Where it says dead ball? Where it says due diligence. You are selectively reading or ignoring facts

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If this is in the lawbook, then what are we debating on? :dontknow:

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3 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Except it was not legal stuff to leave the crease before the ball is in delivery.

This has been done to death. It was a con job

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2 minutes ago, zen said:

This has been done to death. It was a con job

Its within the rules buttler should stay in the crease, he will from now on when Ashwin is bowling lolz :phehe:...else Ashwin should run him out again..fcukin pom..and his paddy chumton think they can come here and mouth off and you are here supporting them lol.

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Batsmen can do switch hits, scoop shots, have mishits sailing for six with bats weighing a ton etc but bowlers should not do Mankading? Screw that, whatever is within the legal boundaries is okay with me. And how many times have we cheered alert 'keepers whipping off the bails when a batsman loses his balance and is out of the crease for a split second? That is opportunistic too and against the spirit of the game isn't it? Good job by Ashwin yesterday, got Butler's wicket and changed the momentum of the match. 

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8 minutes ago, nevada said:

Batsmen can do switch hits, scoop shots, have mishits sailing for six with bats weighing a ton etc but bowlers should not do Mankading? Screw that, whatever is within the legal boundaries is okay with me. And how many times have we cheered alert 'keepers whipping off the bails when a batsman loses his balance and is out of the crease for a split second? That is opportunistic too and against the spirit of the game isn't it? Good job by Ashwin yesterday, got Butler's wicket and changed the momentum of the match. 

That is not apples to apples as if batsmen can play various shots, bowlers can bowl various types of balls too (bouncers, yorkers, spin, swing, slow balls). If miss hits go to boundaries, good shots are caught too 

 

Iirc, WKs have been fined for waiting for batsmen to get off balance to stump them 

 

Games should be played in right spirit. Even a terrorist can justify his attack by using any logic :winky:

 

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Clearly Ashwin is lying. It wasn't instinctively. It was well thought of and intentional. Poms need not get worked up though since Butler has been doing this for sometime now. Stop doing it, fair and simple.

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3 hours ago, Gollum said:

I think in international matches even Ash will be more measured, will at least give a warning as he did to Thirimanne in 2012 CB series....ICC is directly involved there. 

IPL deserves this, because it is cricket entertainment as @Mariyam succinctly explained to a noob like me.

 

And if the IPL bosses had any brains they would be happy with what they saw today, Ashwin was trending at no 1 worldwide on twitter for many hours at a stretch (even now I guess), in fact IPL completely superseded the election stories despite RaGa's best efforts earlier today. 

 

Those who run the show will be busy

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Absolutely!

It doesn't matter if its legal/illegal or ethical/unethical. This is show biz. The objective is to create a buzz. Keep people engrossed.

Even the non fans of the IPL, are talking about it. :smiley: The IPL governing council should already give a medallion to Ashwin.

 

Mission Accomplished

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I personally like bowlers getting some advantage in this batting favored game....but this was a planned con.

Nothing instinctive about it . 

Bulter was not taking advantage ....ashwin stopped and waited for him to move out ....he had no intention to complete his bowling. 

If fake throwing is banned ,so should fake  bowling be.

 

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6 minutes ago, zen said:

That is not apples to apples as if batsmen can play various shots, bowlers can bowl various types of balls too (bouncers, yorkers, spin, swing, slow balls). If miss hits go to boundaries, good shots are caught too 

 

Iirc, WKs have been fined for waiting for batsmen to get off balance to stump them 

 

Games should be played in right spirit. Even a terrorist can justify his attack by using any logic :winky:

 

Terrorism vs Mandkading comparison isnt apples to apples either. Terrorism for any so called cause is illegal. Mankading isn't illegal. More bowlers should start doing this to keep batsmen in check. It's an eyesore to watch batsmen plundering runs at will with the bowlers reduced to ball boy status.

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Having said all that it is freaking amusing to see international players wandering off the crease casually for decades. It has become a normalized thing. Wandering off.  Your bat or your body should be inside the crease until the ball is bowled.  It is against the spirit of the game  you are completely out of the crease at the time of the delivery. I am pretty sure all players are guilty of it. This has to stop.  Even Ashwin might have done it. Who knows. Have you guys done that? I have never done that. I am a strict rule follower.  I find it shocking to see players at this level do this. A bit like how Sehwag running without stretching. 

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2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Having said all that it is freaking amusing to see international players wandering off the crease casually for decades. It has become a normalized thing. Wandering off.  Your bat or your body should be inside the crease until the ball is bowled.  It is against the spirit of the game  you are completely out of the crease at the time of the delivery. I am pretty sure all players are guilty of it. This has to stop.  Even Ashwin might have done it. Who knows. Have you guys done that? I have never done that. I am a strict rule follower.  I find it shocking to see players at this level do this. A bit like how Sehwag running without stretching. 

Yes, batsmen have been stealing runs against the spirit of the game for too long now..Keep the feckers in check with more Mankading/Ashwining.

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17 minutes ago, zen said:

That is not apples to apples as if batsmen can play various shots, bowlers can bowl various types of balls too (bouncers, yorkers, spin, swing, slow balls). If miss hits go to boundaries, good shots are caught too 

 

Iirc, WKs have been fined for waiting for batsmen to get off balance to stump them 

 

Games should be played in right spirit. Even a terrorist can justify his attack by using any logic :winky:

 

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1 minute ago, nevada said:

Yes, batsmen have been stealing runs against the spirit of the game for too long now..Keep the feckers in check with more Mankading/Ashwining.

Since the day when Walsh let Salim jaffer go with warning (a match they ended up losing and couldn't make it to semi because of that) this act of not mankading is considered some "Nobel peace prize" awardsque act by all sundries. This is 100% cricket law. There should ideally be no hazy area. Technically it doesn't matter if he is only 1 inch out or 5 yards out. It is all the same.  How hard it is to keep the bat in if not the whole body until he releases. You will still have enough time especially with a spinner bowling to have a head start.

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IMO what Ashwin did was wrong not because of Mankading but because he stopped and waited till Buttler moved. And its also a good thing to warn a batsman once before doing the mankading. Having said that Buttler has moved out of the crease on several occasions. He was also mankaded by SL player once. So he is not innocent either. He may be innocent in yesterday's match.

 

PS - Lady Jaya who was the captain who didn't withdraw his appeal for the Buttler mankading. Its ironic that he was the one who talked about spirit of cricket when Thrimmane was mankaded after warning by Ashwin. I'm seeing SLans crying about this incident on twitter. All I could say to them and lady jaya is :finger:

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40 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

IMO what Ashwin did was wrong not because of Mankading but because he stopped and waited till Buttler moved. And its also a good thing to warn a batsman once before doing the mankading. Having said that Buttler has moved out of the crease on several occasions. He was also mankaded by SL player once. So he is not innocent either. He may be innocent in yesterday's match.

 

PS - Lady Jaya who was the captain who didn't withdraw his appeal for the Buttler mankading. Its ironic that he was the one who talked about spirit of cricket when Thrimmane was mankaded after warning by Ashwin. I'm seeing SLans crying about this incident on twitter. All I could say to them and lady jaya is :finger:

Umpire gave him out. He could delay all he wants. he could dance for few minutes and come back. But as long as ball is in his hand he should not leave the crease. It is a simple law. He didn't use sand paper or bend 15 degree more or claimed bumped ball. 

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1.  If it is against the spirit of the game then why do the laws allow such a dismissal   ?

 

Blame the law and the people allowing such a law to exist then and not the people using it to get a dismissal.

 

2. What about the batsman advancing out of the crease before the ball is bowled  !   Is it not against the spirit of the game  ?

 

In a nutshell ... allow only such laws which are in the spirit of the game .

 

 

 

 

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100% behind Ashwin in this. Genius move and won the game for his team. With batsmen getting all the advantages in the game bowlers need to find new ways to get them out. 

 

This is a legit strategy in baseball. How is this any more against the spirit of game than short pitch bowling or switch hit. 

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14 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Right or wrong, Ashwin has fired up the IPL. Great start to the tournament. Hope to see some more fireworks when these 2 teams meet again but this time with Ashwin's team at the receiving end :p:

Yeah it has definitely made the IPL interesting and fired up the tournie ,now upto the other teams to provide us entertainment by any means 

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

1.  If it is against the spirit of the game then why do the laws allow such a dismissal   ?

 

Blame the law and the people allowing such a law to exist then and not the people using it to get a dismissal.

 

2. What about the batsman advancing out of the crease before the ball is bowled  !   Is it not against the spirit of the game  ?

 

In a nutshell ... allow only such laws which are in the spirit of the game .

 

 

 

 

Spirit of game is done as soon as batsman mooves out of crease. 

 

That was a tight over and Butler mooved out every ball, its on ball 6 Ash gunned down Butler.

 

He should have broken the stumps in ball 1 itself.

 

If prople have problem, They should go back and Ask ICC to bring in warning clause, which ICC itself removed 

 

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This game is already ridiculously bias in favour of batsman. I don't see similar furor on switch hits, legside wide and those ridiculous inside edge fours.

What ashwin did was legit within the rules of the game irrespective of the manner with which he did.

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4 hours ago, The Dark Horse said:

If this is in the lawbook, then what are we debating on? :dontknow:

Ignorance. Most posters hadn’t read the rule before they started bashing Ashwin.

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