Education does not solve terror problem

[MechEng]

Education will make you skilled to perform a particular task but it won't bring any changes to your consciousness. Your consciousness depends on moral values you believe in.

 

Aafia Siddiqui who is serving life sentence in Forth Worth was a Pakistani neuroscientist who went to MIT, she was planning a chemical warfare in America and was rumoured to be able to weaponise ebola. I am well aware and sure most here are of how only gifted minds go to MIT, yet no amount of advanced education guarantees to produce a morally evolved human being.

 

P.S.: I've come to a conclusion that real change comes from within a person, it takes years of mindfulness and self examination (without becoming a hermit and disconnecting from the world). No amount of law and power can solve the evil unless people recognize the root cause, that is changing themselves.

 

"Be the change you want to see in the world first". I'm not sure if this was a real quote from Gandhiji, but it is absolutely correct.

Edited April 4, 2019 by MechEng

[Ranvir]

It all depends what you are being taught at home. Brainwashing by parents and your peers is extremely powerful.

You don't know how brainwashed muslim youth really are.

[MechEng]

6 hours ago, Ranvir said:

It all depends what you are being taught at home. Brainwashing by parents and your peers is extremely powerful.

You don't know how brainwashed muslim youth really are.

It's scary how powerful subconscious mind is, isn't it? The values you learn either directly or indirectly during childhood is the foundation to your adulthood.

 

And to de-program although it's possible but very hard to achieve, especially unlearning the values you've learnt during your formative years.

[Ranvir]

2 hours ago, MechEng said:

It's scary how powerful subconscious mind is, isn't it? The values you learn either directly or indirectly during childhood is the foundation to your adulthood.

 

And to de-program although it's possible but very hard to achieve, especially unlearning the values you've learnt during your formative years.

Indeed. The most important thing is the company you keep.  

 

Imagine the fear Muslims have of burning in hell for eternity, that is a very big factor in their behaviour. It might also be the reason why Christianity and Islam has been hell bent on spreading throughout the world even if it includes violent means. They just want to 'save' us from burning in hellfire. 

[randomGuy]

2 hours ago, MechEng said:

It's scary how powerful subconscious mind is, isn't it? The values you learn either directly or indirectly during childhood is the foundation to your adulthood.

 

And to de-program although it's possible but very hard to achieve, especially unlearning the values you've learnt during your formative years.

Good post. Question to think over: does internet solve the terror problem? I mean, for a Muslim who has grown up with a smartphone in his hand from say age 10, by what percentage, if at all, does the chances of becoming a terrorist come down? Important question I guess, as the current generation will all have smartphone (a technological marvel totally inconsistent with religious stories with no proofs, a device with worldwide info, different types of porn, great exposure on different cultures, countries, ethnicities, kafirs etc.) in their hands from very young age....

[MechEng]

20 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Good post. Question to think over: does internet solve the terror problem? I mean, for a Muslim who has grown up with a smartphone in his hand from say age 10, by what percentage, if at all, does the chances of becoming a terrorist come down? Important question I guess, as the current generation will all have smartphone (a technological marvel totally inconsistent with religious stories with no proofs, a device with worldwide info, different types of porn, great exposure on different cultures, countries, ethnicities, kafirs etc.) in their hands from very young age....

It's a very individual thing maybe. Our life is in our hands in the end and our intentions are decided by us only irrespective of injustice faced. There are many families from the Muslim world who emigrated to the west, earned education in top schools and are living a very high quality of life with their kids also following the same healthy route. So even though brainwashing is powerful, a spiritually clean person will defend himself/herself from it and will try to navigate to healthier habits. So it eventually boils down to the values a person believes in.

[MechEng]

1 hour ago, Ranvir said:

Indeed. The most important thing is the company you keep.  

 

Imagine the fear Muslims have of burning in hell for eternity, that is a very big factor in their behaviour. It might also be the reason why Christianity and Islam has been hell bent on spreading throughout the world even if it includes violent means. They just want to 'save' us from burning in hellfire. 

I guess even diet can play a role here. No offence to meat lovers in this forum but a regular meat diet although rich in nutrition can bring an animalistic instinct in a person. It has been proven that regular meat and wine makes a person more sensual, this in turn can create aggression.

[Gollum]

 

[Mariyam]

1 minute ago, MechEng said:

I guess even diet can play a role here. No offence to meat lovers in this forum but a regular meat diet although rich in nutrition can bring an animalistic instinct in a person. It has been proven that regular meat and wine makes a person more sensual, this in turn can create aggression.

Aha.

 

That explains French colonialism.

[Mariyam]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 

What is PH.D?  

 

I see a trend there. All of them are science students. No Arts student ever became a terrorist.

[MechEng]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 

Not sure about their alma matter but Aafia Siddiqui went to MIT! That's crazy. It is very hard to digest elite school alumni supporting terrorism.

[Gollum]

5 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

What is PH.D?  

 

I see a trend there. All of them are science students. No Arts student ever became a terrorist.

Hi Sagarika 

Quote

Science is tough

Sagarika Ghose

Why’s the Great Indian Public thrilled about Bomb Daddy for president? Two answers. The first is obvious. We can’t help but feel a little relieved at the manner in which the Sangh has pulled off a cunning theft of secularism.

After Gujarat we are terrified about the Sangh’s plans for the future of India. We had visions of the hairy Sant Paramhans flying up Raisina on an udan khatola.

But in the midst of our fears… bang! Bomb Daddy explodes on the scene. He may be a token but at least he’s not ash-smeared with dreadlocks.

But there’s a second answer: Indians love Science. Science is beloved of the Indian middle-class and particularly of the Hindu patriarchs of the Sangh parivar. In India, Real Men all study Science. Boys are programmed from an early age to make Science their chief obsession. The IITs are shrines to a certain high Hindu male technological libido.

Atomic scientists, writes scientist Dhirendra Sharma, are a ‘super State’ within the State, comprising shadowy brahmanical scientists (mostly all Tam-Brahms and the occasional bawa like Bhabha) living antiseptic and secretive lives, loftily distant from the dirty masses.

They are pampered by the government, ferried back and forth to spotless fortified labs where they carry out incomprehensible expensive experiments. Atomic scientists are the extremely powerful but invisible brahmins of India. Scientism is, in fact, nothing but a version of Hindu brahminism.

Let’s carry out a survey. Murli Manohar Joshi is a physicist. So is NCERT Director J.S. Rajput. BP Singhal is an MSc. Pramod Mahajan is an MSc. Former RSS Sarsangchalak Rajju Bhaiyya taught physics at Allahabad University. Jaswant Singh is a BSc. KS Sudarshan is a telecommunications engineer. And what subject did MS Golwalkar study at Benares Hindu University? Science, of course!

Science, suggests Australian writer Dan Madigan, is particularly compatible with religious fundamentalism. The hard sciences, as opposed to the soft humanities, create an orthodox and extremist mentality. A technological education, Madigan writes, has a ‘can do’ approach. It believes that with the right design and the right materials you can build just about anything, including a technologically engineered history and a technologically controlled society.

The technological mind-set is profoundly impatient with the tentativeness, the ‘softness’ and the endless ‘may-be-may-not-be’ of the humanities. Guess what Osama bin Laden studied? Engineering, naturally. And Mohammad Atta? You got it. Also engineering.

For Indians the Humanities are considered the ‘soft’ option. The Humanities or Arts, the great subjects of Plato and Aristotle which as the name suggests keeps society ‘human’, are subjects like History, Literature and Politics. Yet, paradoxically, these are considered ‘soft’ subjects and are studied mostly by women. Women study Arts. But Men study Science. Science is ‘hard’, extremely macho but potentially insane.

Not that dear old Bomb Daddy has anything in common with fundamentalism. But as he embarks on his high office perhaps he might heed Nehru’s words: “Scientists can’t live in an ivory tower. If Science gets divorced from morality and ethics then it may be used for evil purposes. The scientific spirit must be essentially one of tolerance and the realisation that nobody has a monopoly on the truth.”

 

[randomGuy]

9 minutes ago, MechEng said:

It's a very individual thing maybe. Our life is in our hands in the end and our intentions are decided by us only irrespective of injustice faced. There are many families from the Muslim world who emigrated to the west, earned education in top schools and are living a very high quality of life with their kids also following the same healthy route. So even though brainwashing is powerful, a spiritually clean person will defend himself/herself from it and will try to navigate to healthier habits. So it eventually boils down to the values a person believes in.

Very difficult to get to numbers....let's say today out of X million total Muslims of this world , Y muslims, say 0.01% are terrorists/potential terrorists .....

 

If say after 40 years, there's 70% reduction... meaning say the total Muslim population is still X million, terrorists/potential terrorists are 0.003%, then I will put it majorly down to internet/smartphone usage.

 

That's just a point of views which I am inclined towards.

[Texy]

not just terror think of all those families involved in torturing their bahus for dowry or unable to bear male child.. a lot of those families are well educated

[MechEng]

2 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Very difficult to get to numbers....let's say today out of X million total Muslims of this world , Y muslims, say 0.01% are terrorists/potential terrorists .....

 

If say after 40 years, there's 70% reduction... meaning say the total Muslim population is still X million, terrorists/potential terrorists are 0.003%, then I will put it majorly down to internet/smartphone usage.

 

That's just a point of views which I am inclined towards.

I don't think smart phones or tech would cure violent tendencies, it is evident from recent Christchurch mosque shootings where the entire incident was live streamed, or if in case all military tech goes AI, then a rockstar coder could hack into these weapon systems and cause large scale havoc from the comfort of his/her room. It's all on the individual whether he/she wants to change.

[MechEng]

1 hour ago, Texy said:

not just terror think of all those families involved in torturing their bahus for dowry or unable to bear male child.. a lot of those families are well educated

I think dowry violence was a 80s/90s thing, and even at that time it wasn't a common practice. Pretty sure dowry violence is non existent today unless you enter an ultra conservative secluded society.

Edited April 4, 2019 by MechEng

[MechEng]

2 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Aha.

 

That explains French colonialism.

I think there is a reason why fast bowlers are recommended to eat meat even though say lentils may have same or more protein than beef. Meat brings animalistic instinct which motivates you to push yourself harder and bowl fast! Okay I'm digressing here.

[Ranvir]

3 hours ago, MechEng said:

I guess even diet can play a role here. No offence to meat lovers in this forum but a regular meat diet although rich in nutrition can bring an animalistic instinct in a person. It has been proven that regular meat and wine makes a person more sensual, this in turn can create aggression.

I have to disagree. Having just got back from Thailand I saw that Thais and Chinese consume lots of meat and its the same with other east Asians, yet they are not aggressive. 

In the animal world Bulls and Rhinos are reknown for their aggression.

[MechEng]

4 hours ago, Ranvir said:

I have to disagree. Having just got back from Thailand I saw that Thais and Chinese consume lots of meat and its the same with other east Asians, yet they are not aggressive. 

In the animal world Bulls and Rhinos are reknown for their aggression.

I guess meat puts you in either of two extremes - it can dull or desensitize you like the East Asians or other end of spectrum it can make you super aggressive. A plant based diet puts you in a balance between the two.

 

Bulls and Rhinos will not attack you unless you provoke them. They are like Indian armed forces, peaceful when unprovoked but otherwise will thrash you.

 

Even Peter Siddle lost his pace after his wife forced him to go vegan.

Edited April 5, 2019 by MechEng

[Ranvir]

7 hours ago, MechEng said:

I guess meat puts you in either of two extremes - it can dull or desensitize you like the East Asians or other end of spectrum it can make you super aggressive. A plant based diet puts you in a balance between the two.

 

Bulls and Rhinos will not attack you unless you provoke them. They are like Indian armed forces, peaceful when unprovoked but otherwise will thrash you.

 

Even Peter Siddle lost his pace after his wife forced him to go vegan.

Where are you pulling these ridiculous theories from? Strong broscience.