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Shubman Gill - Being Wasted by KKR?

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I don't really understand KKR thinking tank. They were very aggressive when bidding on Unknown Shubman, who has proven his worth in India A etc for number of years now. He is already being lined up to get into Indian Cricket team. SO, you would think that he would be developed by KKR, someone who can play at #3 role for years. But, you are giving that #3 slot to someone like Uthappa, who barely can cross SR of 120 and already on the way downhill.

 

Shaw, Pant, Iyer, Mayank: All of them are getting a good exposure in that top order. I do feel that any other team, SHubman would be batting in that top order, given his reputation and skills. Hopefully, he gets into other team in near future, where he can get that top order slot. 

 

 

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It is more like they are struggling to fit him in with Rana clicking up the order. Only place for him is Uthappa's place. Actually they could try that or they should drop Lynn use Gill up the order and use Brathwhite

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

You think he was instructed to not to use him lol in the last edition KKD used vinay in 20th over for some unknown reason in the first 2 matches

Even looking at Gill while fielding he looks disenchanted with all this. They are treating him like a run of the mill domestic player to complete the XI.

 

KKR should just drop him and not discourage him further and instead can play any other domestic hack like Naik in his place.

 

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Uthappa is among top 3 run scorers for KKR this season..why would a franchise replace him with a rookie...Agree Gill is once in a lifetime talent, but you need scope to do that. Personally I feel Lynn should be replaced by Gill and Brathwaite down the order but even he hasn't performed too bad.

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14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

1. Gill

2. Narine

3. Utthappa

4. Rana

5. Karthick

6. Russell 

7. Rinku Singh 

8. Kuldeep 

9. Chawla 

10. Prasidh 

11. Ferguson 

 

1. Gill

2. Narine

3. Utthappa

4. Rana

5. Karthick

6. Russell 

7. Brathwaite 

8. Kuldeep 

9. Chawla 

10. Prasidh 

11. Ferguson 

This would be even better.

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 Everyone has been spoken about but the most obvious option will never be discussed. How the heck is Sunil Narine batting ahead of Gill ? infact why on earth is he opening batting ? The guy is living off a handful of innings. Its an experiment which paid off now move on, i cant believe they are continuing with him. He can swing his bat at 7 or 8 as well. 

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2 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

 Everyone has been spoken about but the most obvious option will never be discussed. How the heck is Sunil Narine batting ahead of Gill ? infact why on earth is he opening batting ? The guy is living off a handful of innings. Its an experiment which paid off now move on, i cant believe they are continuing with him. He can swing his bat at 7 or 8 as well. 

Actually it is to balance Lynn. Lynn can't bat against spin to save his life, whereas Narine will plunder them. If Narine is brought down, teams will start with spin against KKR. IMO, they should replace Lynn as he's limited. Team doesn't want to take the risk of changing a winning combo.

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Just now, The Dark Horse said:

Actually it is to balance Lynn. Lynn can't bat against spin to save his life, whereas Narine will plunder them. If Narine is brought down, teams will start with spin against KKR. IMO, they should replace Lynn as he's limited. Team doesn't want to take the risk of changing a winning combo.

If Gill is as good as he is perceived then type of bowler shouldnt matter

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36 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

If Gill is as good as he is perceived then type of bowler shouldnt matter

Sundar is warming the benches for RCB, Yusuf is played instead of Abhishek Sharma who showed flashes of brilliance last season, Amit Mishra was played instead of Lamichane in the first few games, Parthiv is still playing for RCB. Lesser said about CSK, the better. At least Gill is played regularly, and not in the bench. Hopefully he'll get a chance up the order in the future!

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24 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

Sundar is warming the benches for RCB, Yusuf is played instead of Abhishek Sharma who showed flashes of brilliance last season, Amit Mishra was played instead of Lamichane in the first few games, Parthiv is still playing for RCB. Lesser said about CSK, the better. At least Gill is played regularly, and not in the bench. Hopefully he'll get a chance up the order in the future!

He would have won them yesterdays game

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2 hours ago, diehardpacer said:

Uthappa averages 48 at SR of 135 in 4 games this season.Gill can do better than that.

Average of 48 at 135 is no Joke. Even India's top batsmen struggle to do that.

Edited by rkt.india

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1 hour ago, jf1gp_1 said:

He would have won them yesterdays game

How? Sundar would have played in place of Negi who himself did well.KKR mostly has right handers so playing Negi was not a bad decision.

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2 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

 Everyone has been spoken about but the most obvious option will never be discussed. How the heck is Sunil Narine batting ahead of Gill ? infact why on earth is he opening batting ? The guy is living off a handful of innings. Its an experiment which paid off now move on, i cant believe they are continuing with him. He can swing his bat at 7 or 8 as well. 

Narine certainly a better T20 batsman than Gil. It wasn't an experiment.  It's their remedy for success. Never expect such young batsmen to consistently deliver in T20 cricket.

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2 hours ago, The Dark Horse said:

1. Gill

2. Narine

3. Utthappa

4. Rana

5. Karthick

6. Russell 

7. Brathwaite 

8. Kuldeep 

9. Chawla 

10. Prasidh 

11. Ferguson 

This would be even better.

Lynn is better than Gill so why would they drop him for an unproven youngster.

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43 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

How I wish we had the option of mid league transfer in IPL.

 

Guys like Gill, Kishan, Sundar, Manish Pandey, Khaleel, Rajpoot, Abhishek Sharma, Munro, Stanlake could all add so much strength to struggling sides

We do have that option

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I don't see Gill staking a claim with T20 stars like Lynn, Narine, Uthappa (he was in top 2 run scorers for KKR in few seasons), Karthik and Russell. Gill certainly wont like the role of smacking the ball deep in stands like Lynn and Narine. This power hitting and hoicks do not affect these batsmen as they do not play test fomrat. Russell too can hoick as he is T20 and ODI specialist. Also it will be very difficult for Gill to match brute and raw  power hitting of Lynn, Narine, Russell, Uthappa.

 

Gill should use the SMA trophy to smack the ball and score runs at extraordinary strike rate to stake a claim in this strong KKR batting lineup. That is one tourney where he can show he has the muscles to tonk the ball like the other batsmen in the team.

 

He is a different mould of batsman and hence he findis it difficult to get more  chances to bat amongst other power hitters. Nevertheless a fine prospect for the future but there are better options with KKR for the time being.

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That's why I have always supported DD and RR( partly because of Dravid), they give chances to young talented cricketers and help us see their abilities. I don't have much time for IPL but still try to watch Delhi matches to see how Shaw is doing.

 

I wish Gill was also picked by one of the weaker franchises, would have got more chances to showcase his talent. 

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4 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

Lynn and Brathwaite the comparison..

Even there Lynn better. Brathwaite hasn't done anything since his T20 WC exploits. He was with Delhi and they released him because of no performance.

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3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

If it works why not! You go with what works for you. Why would you fix what's not broken.

I am just taking forward your point about supposed better T20 batsman getting to play ahead of unproven entities. It's about giving the player right number to shine as well, imagine someone like Virat demoted to no.6 , he would fail most of the time.

And this is not about fixing something that ain't broke, KKR has required Russell's blitz in all the games so far and the opening combo has definitely looked out of sorts for them. 

For their own good, if they intend to waste Gill down the order, they should pick someone else.

 

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5 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Most of the times.we have seen Lynn struggling,cant play spin Gill shouldn't be batting any lower than no.4

 

2018 IPL :

Gill scored 203 runs in 11 innings. Lynn top scored for KKR with 491 runs in 16 innings.

 

 

2019:

 

Gill has scored 25 runs in 3 innings. Lynn has scored 80 in 4.

 

No way KKR can replace a proven T20 and T20i cricketer like Lynn unless he fails for two continous seasons for KKR. If franchisees drop players on one bad season like RCB dropped Gayle and Rahul for unproven players then it can hit back very very badly.

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34 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

I am just taking forward your point about supposed better T20 batsman getting to play ahead of unproven entities. It's about giving the player right number to shine as well, imagine someone like Virat demoted to no.6 , he would fail most of the time.

And this is not about fixing something that ain't broke, KKR has required Russell's blitz in all the games so far and the opening combo has definitely looked out of sorts for them. 

For their own good, if they intend to waste Gill down the order, they should pick someone else.

 

Gill is a far inferior version of Virat right now and even Virat struggles to up the tempo in PP and not ideal opener for RCB and big reason for their struggle. You need someone who can make use of PP at this point as opener. You don't need an accumulator. Expecting 20 year old to perform that way is unfair even on Gill because he isn't that kind of player. Not a basher. If they had someone like Pant or Kishen benched or on lower order or even Shaw, I would have wholeheartedly agreed. Like MI have benched Kishan who is your quintessential T20 prospect, a basher and they need to drop Yuvraj for him. 

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The problem is I don’t think KKR needs Gill in this lineup . I can’t see anything wrong with their current top order . Lynn has done well for them in the past , narine can win matches on a good day  everything he scores is a bonus and uthappa is very consistent though his game has become very conservative they won’t drop him . 

 

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4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Average of 48 at 135 is no Joke. Even India's top batsmen struggle to do that.

Higher avg at low SR will more often lose them matches.If they did not have Russell,they could have lost all the 4 matches.It took Russell to hit above 250 SR to win all their games.His avg is high now due to a not out innings.Eventually that will come down.Basically,he is KKR's Rahane.

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2 minutes ago, diehardpacer said:

Higher avg at low SR will more often lose them matches.If they did not have Russell,they could have lost all the 4 matches.It took Russell to hit above 250 SR to win all their games.His avg is high now due to a not out innings.Eventually that will come down.Basically,he is KKR's Rahane.

I don’t think Gill is a 150+ SR batsmen , not yet . 

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16 minutes ago, diehardpacer said:

Higher avg at low SR will more often lose them matches.If they did not have Russell,they could have lost all the 4 matches.It took Russell to hit above 250 SR to win all their games.His avg is high now due to a not out innings.Eventually that will come down.Basically,he is KKR's Rahane.

Gill is no high SR batsman. 

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5 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

I don’t think Gill is a 150+ SR batsmen , not yet . 

Gill's T20 SR is 141 & avg 31.If he is handled properly,he can get better.

Uthappa's overall T20 SR is 134 & avg 29.This season in 4 games he has 48 avg(1 not out) at 135 SR.

If both newbie & established player have similar stats,pick the newbie.He is likely to get better once he reaches the peak.

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21 minutes ago, diehardpacer said:

Gill's T20 SR is 141 & avg 31.If he is handled properly,he can get better.

Uthappa's overall T20 SR is 134 & avg 29.This season in 4 games he has 48 avg(1 not out) at 135 SR.

If both newbie & established player have similar stats,pick the newbie.He is likely to get better once he reaches the peak.

Hill's sample size is too small for comparison

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8 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Only good T20 batsmen in India are Kohli, Rahul and pant. All else are average or below average T20 batsmen.

Oh let me get it, are you implying that Narine can get into KKR team based on his batting alone? 

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21 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Narine certainly a better T20 batsman than Gil. It wasn't an experiment.  It's their remedy for success. Never expect such young batsmen to consistently deliver in T20 cricket.

Right . Will remember. 

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23 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

2018 IPL :

Gill scored 203 runs in 11 innings. Lynn top scored for KKR with 491 runs in 16 innings.

 

 

2019:

 

Gill has scored 25 runs in 3 innings. Lynn has scored 80 in 4.

 

No way KKR can replace a proven T20 and T20i cricketer like Lynn unless he fails for two continous seasons for KKR. If franchisees drop players on one bad season like RCB dropped Gayle and Rahul for unproven players then it can hit back very very badly.

Why don't you look at balls faced by both of them . That's not a fair comparison. One opens the inning and other one comes at time when nothing can be done or there's no role for him at that time.

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