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Performance of Indian spinners in IPL 2019

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Might have missed one or two spinners. Added from top list. WIll update as the IPL progress.

 

This is the tally before playoffs. CSK numbers have to be taken with a pinch of salt.  CSK pitches provided the most assistance to spinners. Punjab pitches provided the least assistance to the spinners.  Bangalore is also not a spinners paradise. Gopal did well everywhere if i am right. 

Ash is in a way right. He is at the top of the pile. But most versatile bowler award goes to Gopal without a doubt. 

 

 

Name Inns Overs Runs Wickets ER Avge SR Team
Gopal 14 48 347 20 7.22 17.35 14.4 RR
Chahal 14 49.2 386 18 7.82 21.44 16.4 RCB
Ashwin 14 55 400 15 7.27 26.6 22 PKXI
Bhajji 8 32 229 13 7.15 17.6 14.7 CSK
Jadeja 13 53.2 290 13 6.44 16.52 15.2 CSK
Chawla 13 44.3 399 10 8.96 39.9 26.7 KKR
R Chahar 11 39 280 10 7.17 28 23.4 MI
Unadkat 11 37.2 398 10 10.66 39.8 22.4 RR
K Pandya 14 39.3 275 10 7.05 27.5 23.4 MI
Axar 12 43 302 9 7.02 33.55 28.6 DC
Mishra 9 32 233 9 7.28 25.88 21.3 DC
M Ashwin 10 34 255 5 7.5 51 40.8 PKXI
Kuldeep 9 33 286 4 8.66 71.5 49.5 KKR
Sundar 3 9 74 4 8.22 21.44 13.5 RCB
Negi 7 11.1 102 3 9.13 34 22.3 RCB
Tewatia 3 6.2 42 3 6.63 21 19 DC
N Rana 6 8 72 3 9 24 16 KKR
Parag 7 14 121 2 8.64 60.5 42 RR
Gowtham 7 20 166 1 8.3 166 120 RR
Markande 3 6 59 1 9.83 59 36 MI

Updated 5/5/2019
 

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On 4/6/2019 at 2:08 AM, vvvslaxman said:

Actually if you look at all time wicket takers for India in the IPL, it is the spinners

 

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Ashwin's avg+ER combo is very good, especially ER. He must have been very good in the earlier seasons. 2nd best behind Narine who of course was a shameless chucker for most parts. 

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5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Ashwin's avg+ER combo is very good, especially ER. He must have been very good in the earlier seasons. 2nd best behind Narine who of course was a shameless chucker for most parts. 

He used to bowl upfront and bag some of the big wickets. He is one of the most over-exposed Indian spinner. Bowled in Tests, ODIs, T20s, IPL.

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33 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He used to bowl upfront and bag some of the big wickets. He is one of the most over-exposed Indian spinner. Bowled in Tests, ODIs, T20s, IPL.

He is a better LOI bowler than he is given credit for. Very good in both the 50 over WCs (incl KOs), MOM worthy performance in 2013 CT F. In T20s I only follow WT20s and both him and Mishra were on fire in the 2014 edition, especially Ashwin who I thought gave a masterclass performance right throughout the tourney, best ever perhaps (11 wickets, avg/SR: 11/5.35). Another 15 runs and better captaincy by Dhoni would have won us a 2nd WT20 crown. A real pity he is such a sloth bear on the field beset by injuries, apart from fielding/catching I rate him as a better option than even Jadeja who has lost us more matches than won in shorter formats. In fact even in the 2017 CT F, Jaddu was much worse with the ball, not to forget that horrendous run out.

 

Sorry for the digression, long story short despite their initial success and stats Kulcha need to do more to warrant comparison with Ashwin. And I am not sold out on Chahal, I still think as an overall package (mental midget and zero in batting, fielding, catching) he shouldn't partner Kuldeep. Whilst I detest IPL and don't believe it should be taken too seriously, if Ashwin is 100% fit (with tangible weight loss) and fielding decently (Chahal means bar is already low) I would take Ash-Jaddu along with Kully in the squad. Jaddu as specialist 12th man maybe with 2-3 matches in 1st XI thrown in between and Ashwin as a possible (defensive) option as 2nd spinner later in the tournament. 2 wristies is overkill and can backfire because the art is a double edged sword and no way should Chahal play ahead of the chinaman. Not just with the ball, at least with Jaddu/Ashwin at number 8 there is some hope of winning a few tight matches if a batsman is batting well at the other end. With our present dud tail, main batsmen are over cautious and even 280/6 in 40 overs can become 285 all out in 43 overs. Just a thought, doubt MSK sees it this way. 

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2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Updated. Chahal ER has gone up 7.07 to 7.82 or something. Gopal and Ashwin continue their impressive season. So does Unadkat. Chahar has also been outstanding. Picking up key wickets.

Wrt chahal, need to keep Chinnaswamy in mind 

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1 minute ago, MultiB48 said:

Economy looks better if you dont bowl an over or two in the death .If you bowl the 19th or the 20th over, economy will jump from 6 an over to 10 an over in the space of an over.

Hard to predict that. Wicket column accurately reflects how well these guys have bowled. When you combine wickets with  ER we get a clear picture. On that count Chahal, Ashwin, Gopal all 3 were exemplary. Ashwin/Gopal could bat too. Kuldeep's ER is due to his lack of wickets. Batsmen didn't fear him. Some of the sixes were hit against the turn.  Maybe not enough grip under lights.

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6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Hard to predict that. Wicket column accurately reflects how well these guys have bowled. When you combine wickets with  ER we get a clear picture. On that count Chahal, Ashwin, Gopal all 3 were exemplary. Ashwin/Gopal could bat too. Kuldeep's ER is due to his lack of wickets. Batsmen didn't fear him. Some of the sixes were hit against the turn.  Maybe not enough grip under lights.

Then why dont they bowl these economical spinners in the death ,why go back to the expensive pacers.I would like to see them bowl consistently in the death and then we can get an accurate measurement of their eco ,otherwise you have to base them mostly on the 7-16th over range.

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3 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Then why dont they bowl these economical spinners in the death ,why go back to the expensive pacers.I would like to see them bowl consistently in the death and then we can get an accurate measurement of their eco ,otherwise you have to base them mostly on the 7-16th over range.

Bowling spinners at death is the most suicidal thing to do. Even Rashid khan will struggle against good batsman.  IT is very very rare spinners bowl in the end unless their top and middle order blown away or they have a batsman who don't know how to play spin. Rat gave Negi against Pandya. Narine today bowled in the end. Got owned by a tailender. 

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5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bowling spinners at death is the most suicidal thing to do. Even Rashid khan will struggle against good batsman.  IT is very very rare spinners bowl in the end unless their top and middle order blown away or they have a batsman who don't know how to play spin. Rat gave Negi against Pandya. Narine today bowled in the end. Got owned by a tailender. 

That's why economy of spinners are different,they dont bowl those tough overs.

 

Though Narine got smashed in his last over but i have seem him bowl quite well in the death in the past  ,rashid too can bowl well in the death ,others i am not sure .

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33 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Hard to predict that. Wicket column accurately reflects how well these guys have bowled. When you combine wickets with  ER we get a clear picture. On that count Chahal, Ashwin, Gopal all 3 were exemplary. Ashwin/Gopal could bat too. Kuldeep's ER is due to his lack of wickets. Batsmen didn't fear him. Some of the sixes were hit against the turn.  Maybe not enough grip under lights.

many times batsmen do not attack in the middle overs.

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19 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bowling spinners at death is the most suicidal thing to do. Even Rashid khan will struggle against good batsman.  IT is very very rare spinners bowl in the end unless their top and middle order blown away or they have a batsman who don't know how to play spin. Rat gave Negi against Pandya. Narine today bowled in the end. Got owned by a tailender. 

Rashid got thrashed last game against CSK that too in Chennai.

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11 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

That's why economy of spinners are different,they dont bowl those tough overs.

 

Though Narine got smashed in his last over but i have seem him bowl quite well in the death in the past  ,rashid too can bowl well in the death ,others i am not sure .

Narine used to chuck in the past, getting added advantage of that which would help him turn the ball more.  Narine isnt the same threat since his re-modeled action.

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1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

That's why economy of spinners are different,they dont bowl those tough overs.

 

Though Narine got smashed in his last over but i have seem him bowl quite well in the death in the past  ,rashid too can bowl well in the death ,others i am not sure .

I am not comparing seamers with spinners here. Talking about seamers, Chahar bowls upfront most of his overs. Only in the last  3 or 4 matches he bowls at the end. His ER is good. Bumrah ER is pretty good. So is Saini's.  Rabada's.  Given that it is very very rare teams use spinners in the end overs comparison is apt. Besides picking up wickets during middle overs in T20 is not as easy as one thinks. If anything in the end overs you are more likely to take wickets with batsmen throwing the bat around.

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58 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I am not comparing seamers with spinners here. Talking about seamers, Chahar bowls upfront most of his overs. Only in the last  3 or 4 matches he bowls at the end. His ER is good. Bumrah ER is pretty good. So is Saini's.  Rabada's.  Given that it is very very rare teams use spinners in the end overs comparison is apt. Besides picking up wickets during middle overs in T20 is not as easy as one thinks. If anything in the end overs you are more likely to take wickets with batsmen throwing the bat around.

They are barely picking a wicket/match,even rookies like prasidh had picked 10 wkts in 7 matches last year and none of these economical  spinners have bowled even 1 over in the 19 or 20th over even deepak chahar has done that.

 

When you bowl in the death, you will get hammered and that will  affect your confidence and subsequently performance can go down ,even harshal patel was bowling well in the middle overs till he got hammered by russel,Unadkat too bowls better in the middle overs .

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34 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

The way bhajji got Rahul today.. Ajmal would have been proud. Guess ipl governing council wouldn't be serious on these chuckers as long as they play for csk.

There are so many things overlooked like batsmen taking full rest without being on the field after playing a long innings.

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