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M.Prasidh is consistently bowling 145 kph to 150 kph in IPL 2019

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On 4/10/2019 at 6:42 AM, Khota said:

Based on your research if you have to pick 5 pace bowlers for WC who would it be? Put them down in a merit order from best to worst. Thanks!

  1. bumrah
  2. Shammi
  3. Saini
  4. Prasidh
  5. Ishant Sharma

bhuvi has not been at his swinging best so not in my best 5 

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On 4/9/2019 at 5:15 PM, express bowling said:

 

Why  ?

ishant has bowled his regular pace...

Bumrah has bowled his regular pace.

i feel first time Speed gun in IPL looks very accurate.

Now the Pitches have also a bit of Green on some pitches and one pitch had a lot of green too.

Please understand all foreign pacers are bowling as fast as they do... its accurate.

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On 4/11/2019 at 10:55 AM, express bowling said:

Prasidh has taken lots of wickets in both List A  and FC   (  50 wickets from only 33 List-A matches at an average of  26.6 and ER of 5.4  ) which includes A-team games ... (  and 20 wickets from 6 FC matches at a top average of 22.6 and a top SR of 50.7   )

 

This shows that he is a wicket taker in the 2 longer formats.  Not everyone turn out to be good T20 bowlers.

 

I think most of us here are looking for good quality and quick test match and ODI pacers.

 

This is because, in T20s, we usually see that seamers with lots of variation do well and pace is not that important. While pace is very important in tests and ODIs.

Then why is him bowling 145-150 kmph in T20s and IPL being counted? Have you seen him bowl those speeds in List A and FC matches? I do not remember seeing those speeds. Just imagine if he was taking even 1 wicket every match AND bowling those speeds. Will be a natural pick. With just speed as of now, will have to add wicket taking ability to move to the national side. TIll then, he will be great for the A side, not yet ready for int'l cricket

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48 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Then why is him bowling 145-150 kmph in T20s and IPL being counted? Have you seen him bowl those speeds in List A and FC matches? I do not remember seeing those speeds. Just imagine if he was taking even 1 wicket every match AND bowling those speeds. Will be a natural pick. With just speed as of now, will have to add wicket taking ability to move to the national side. TIll then, he will be great for the A side, not yet ready for int'l cricket

Because there has not been any games to see those speeds.

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1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Then why is him bowling 145-150 kmph in T20s and IPL being counted?

 

Because it showcases the ability to bowl quick.  Not everyone has it.  Very few pacers have the ability to bowl lots of 145 k to 150 k balls even in T20s.

 

As I outlined in the OP ... the next step is grooming him with care for the longer formats ... he should get to play all  FC games from now on and practice bowling 20 overs a day as well as longer spells. And do strength and conditioning training at the NCA.

 

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Have you seen him bowl those speeds in List A and FC matches?

 

Very few matches are televised.  So, we don't really know.  However  I don't expect him to bowl at these speeds in 5 day matches till the time he gets to play a full FC season.

 

Playing sufficient FC matches is very very very very important for fast bowlers ... and sadly,  Prasidh has not got that chance yet.

 

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. Just imagine if he was taking even 1 wicket every match AND bowling those speeds. Will be a natural pick. With just speed as of now, will have to add wicket taking ability to move to the national side. TIll then, he will be great for the A side, not yet ready for int'l cricket

 

I just want him to play FC ... continue taking wickets in List A and FC ... get back to India A and perform there ... and play for India after that.

 

This can happen in ODIs after even 6 months ... but he will take some time to be ready for tests.

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Prasidh got more bounce than Rabada or Ferguson yesterday.  Got so many deliveries to climb steeply from just short of a length or even good length.  Karthick was standing way behind and still some balls were thudding into his gloves near his face.

 

After Srinath ... Prasidh is one of the few Indian fast bowlers who gets this much bounce.

 

(  Bumrah and Mavi get steep bounce for their heights too ... but neither are very tall pacers.  ... Avesh gets good bounce too and is tall  )

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Bishop was pointing out yesterday that Prasidh decelarates before delivering the ball. His run up steps get smaller at the end.  

 

A few of us discussed this aspect during last IPL. He has improved this aspect a bit ... but this still needs improvement.

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16 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Bishop was pointing out yesterday that Prasidh decelarates before delivering the ball. His run up steps get smaller at the end.  

 

A few of us discussed this aspect during last IPL. He has improved this aspect a bit ... but this still needs improvement.

His follow through is erratic,pointed out by Lee as well

He said if Prasidh sorts out this flaw he may add another 5ks ,nothing more,can be done easily he said

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29 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Prasidh got more bounce than Rabada or Ferguson yesterday.  Got so many deliveries to climb steeply from just short of a length or even good length.  Karthick was standing way behind and still some balls were thudding into his gloves near his face.

 

After Srinath ... Prasidh is one of the few Indian fast bowlers who get this much bounce.

 

(  Bumrah and Mavi get steep bounce for their heights too ... but neither are very tall pacers.  ... Avesh gets good bounce too and is tall  )

He looked quicker than ferguson .

 

9 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

His follow through is erratic,pointed out by Lee as well

He said if Prasidh sorts out this flaw he may add another 5ks ,nothing more,can be done easily he said

why couldnt any ind coach sort it out in all these years ,our pacers have poor techniques thanks to these coaches .

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54 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

His follow through is erratic,pointed out by Lee as well

He said if Prasidh sorts out this flaw he may add another 5ks ,nothing more,can be done easily he said

It's not erratic, it's incomplete.

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44 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

He looked quicker than ferguson .

 

why couldnt any ind coach sort it out in all these years ,our pacers have poor techniques thanks to these coaches .

He has been to MRF trained under McGrath and even they haven't done it . Jofra Archer probably has the same style.

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29 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He has been to MRF trained under McGrath and even they haven't done it . Jofra Archer probably has the same style.

no wonder mrf doesnt produce many good pacers .Archer is an incredible athlete may be he can get away with a shorter follow through and his follow through is not as heavy .prasidh though is more like ishant with that follow through .

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45 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He has been to MRF trained under McGrath and even they haven't done it .

 

Question is ...  Why  ?

 

This is supposed to be a fundamental thing.

 

Too many MRF Pace foundation trainees have significant issues with either run up or action or both.

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1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

He looked quicker than ferguson .

 

why couldnt any ind coach sort it out in all these years ,our pacers have poor techniques thanks to these coaches .

But by the look.of things it doesn't look.much of a issue rather it can be easily changed by Prasidh which will only suit him without much effort ,even through naked one can point out that his follow through is not sorted out,and can be corrected in no time,rightly pointed out by Brett Lee,he can bowl a little more quicker and he said its not a major change which he has to go through ,these are minor technical tweaks which can fetch you positive results alongwith more pace

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42 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

It is incomplete probably because he decelarates at the end of his run up.

not that is not the reason.  deceleration is not uncommon but Prasidh kind of follow through his uncommong among pacers.  His right leg dopes no go across after delivering the ball and stays in line of left leg which does not have much to do with deceleration. 

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

not that is not the reason.  deceleration is not uncommon but Prasidh kind of follow through his uncommong among pacers.  His right leg dopes no go across after delivering the ball and stays in line of left leg which does not have much to do with deceleration. 

 

Personally,  I found it it difficult to complete my action in the phase when I decelarated  near the end of my run up.  So ... it could be one of the reasons, although not necessarily so.

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Kohli talks about Prasidh Krishna as one of the candidates for our T20I squad.

 

Here is Prasidh bowling at the death

 

 

https://www.hotstar.com/in/sports/cricket/vivo-ipl-2018/kolkata-knight-riders-vs-rajasthan-royals-m186559/match-clips/how-prasidh-choked-rr-at-the-death/2001614409

 

 

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Kohli talks about Prasidh Krishna as one of the candidates for our T20I squad.

 

Here is Prasidh bowling at the death

 

 

https://www.hotstar.com/in/sports/cricket/vivo-ipl-2018/kolkata-knight-riders-vs-rajasthan-royals-m186559/match-clips/how-prasidh-choked-rr-at-the-death/2001614409

 

 

what is his injury ?

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Prasidh in the 50 over Vijay Hazare Trophy 2019-20

 

Matches.        8

Wickets.       17

Average.   13.4

ER.               3.9

What an eco for 50 overs and a sample size is also of 8 games . Add to it more then 2 wkts per game

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2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Prasidh in the 50 over Vijay Hazare Trophy 2019-20

 

Matches.        8

Wickets.       17

Average.   13.4

ER.               3.9

Those are quality lead dog bowler stats.  ER shows opponents were batting 'safe' against him.  Wickets show that he gave breakthroughs against 'safe' batting.

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Prasidh in his first Ranji match this season, after returning from injury

 

Ist innings ... 2 wickets for just 7 runs

2nd innings ... 4 Wickets for 45 runs

 

Total of 6 wickets for just 52 runs.

 

Superb comeback !!

 

He bowled with pace, bounce, hostility, accuracy, outswing and seam movement both ways.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Prasidh in his first Ranji match this season, after returning from injury

 

Ist innings ... 2 wickets for just 7 runs

2nd innings ... 4 Wickets for 45 runs

 

Total of 6 wickets for just 52 runs.

 

Superb comeback !!

 

He bowled with pace, bounce, hostility, accuracy, outswing and seam movement both ways.

Should be picked for next series.

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5 hours ago, express bowling said:

Prasidh in his first Ranji match this season, after returning from injury

 

Ist innings ... 2 wickets for just 7 runs

2nd innings ... 4 Wickets for 45 runs

 

Total of 6 wickets for just 52 runs.

 

Superb comeback !!

 

He bowled with pace, bounce, hostility, accuracy, outswing and seam movement both ways.

do you think its better they pick him for LOI cricket initially?

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5 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

do you think its better they pick him for LOI cricket initially?

 

Yes ... pick him for ODIs, which is his strongest format.

 

Bumrah needs to be rested after a gruelling NZ tour. 

 

Bring in Prasidh in his place in the upcoming ODI series vs SA.

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2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Yes ... pick him for ODIs, which is his strongest format.

 

Bumrah needs to be rested after a gruelling NZ tour. 

 

Bring in Prasidh in his place in the upcoming ODI series vs SA.

is he fit now??

i dont see his recent performances. if he was available , he would be playing for india A.

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4 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

is he fit now??

i dont see his recent performances. if he was available , he would be playing for india A.

 

Prasidh has just come back from injury and has played a Ranji match and performed superbly.

 

His rhythm looks good ... he is running in really well ... pace is up ... getting bounce off some good length balls too.

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4 minutes ago, SinNombre said:

Very relevant questions.

 

Nothing in his FC record to indicate he can bat. 

 

But the same was true for Saini and clearly he can.

If he is like Saini in batting and fielding then its ok.
Shouldn't bat like bumrah or yuzi

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