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Just now, maniac said:

@beetle ji one hand you think Pant after doing jack in LOI format and hitting one handed hoicks is unlucky to miss out on a WC slot but Rayudu who just a few days ago was guaranteed to go to the WC but missed the bus at the last moment as well deserved :laugh:

 

Personally I think both didn't deserve to be there. but at the same time Rayudu is a lot more unlucky than Pant in missing out. what is so difficult to comprehend?

 

 

I don't think Pant should have got in.

Only that he is no worse than dk and if they had to send one ,Pant being one for the future would have made better sense.

But a bowler would have been better than both.

 

As for rayudu,if he took his place in wc squad for granted based on some performance  many months back ..then one can only call him delusional or him having too much faith in his biryani.

 

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Just now, beetle said:

I don't think Pant should have got in.

Only that he is no worse than dk and if they had to send one ,Pant being one for the future would have made better sense.

But a bowler would have been better than both.

 

As for rayudu,if he took his place in wc squad for granted based on some performance  many months back ..then one can only call him delusional or him having too much faith in his biryani.

 

That is my point. it wasn't many months back just the beginning of March. so just a month back. all it took for him to lose a spot was a couple of bad games against Aus and IPL. it is bad luck.

 

Look I know he is not a reliable player. good decision to leave him out. However doesn't mask the fact that he was unlucky to lose form at the wrong time.

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28 minutes ago, Switchblade said:

Iyer was dropped after 3-4 games I get it Pant may not be world beater again 3-4 games they played musical chairs with Yuvraj Raina Rayudu Rahane DK those guys should have been tried more. 

Where is Iyer going to play and whose place he is going to take. Iyer is one dimensional player who has no xfactor and I don't think he is such a miss. Pant has been playing international cricket for past one year and frankly I don't think he is better than Dhoni as of today  in odis.Dhoni is still useful in low scoring games.

 

There is no standout talents in domestic cricket who can play in middle order. We have to accept it.Gill and Shaw are openers and they clearly are not ready.

 

I don't blame anyone for middle order but seamers they should have taken one more seamer.

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46 minutes ago, Proud IPL Fan said:

Decent squad. Rayudu was hard done by after being assured a spot by Kohli and mgmt saying IPL performance don't matter. KL Rahul got in primarilyon IPL Performance

 

My XI

 

Rohit / KL Rahul

Dhawan

Kohli

Shankar

MSD

Jadhav

Pandya

Jadeja

Shami

Kuldeep

Bumrah

 

My team looks good in fielding too. SHankar and Pandya patrolling long on and long off. Jadeja at midwicket.

 

Batting till 8. 7 bowling options. Jadeja + Pandya + Shankar + Jadahv can easily cover 20-25 overs

 

Rohit vs KL - Prefer KL as opener, faster scoring, better fielder

 

Other option was Bhuvi and Chahal instead of Shami and Jadeja = Weakens fielding and batting Shami a better bowler than Bhuvi and Chahal may be slightly better than Jadeja so bowling is a wash

Another reason to play Jadeja is that he is a left hander. Outside of Dhawan there are NO left handers in the line up and you know teams are going to line up with leg spin wristies

 

Zampa

Adil Rashid

Rashid Khan

Imran Tahir

Shadab Khan

 

etc

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Just now, putrevus said:

Thankgod they have not selected Rahane, some moronic ex players were saying Rahane should be selected.

It was your typical mumbai lobby of Manjrekar, Gavaskar and Tendulkar. I don't think anyone else batted for Rahane, Same people also threw in Iyer there. Quite pathetic

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1 minute ago, Proud IPL Fan said:

It was your typical mumbai lobby of Manjrekar, Gavaskar and Tendulkar. I don't think anyone else batted for Rahane, Same people also threw in Iyer there. Quite pathetic

I think  Yashpal sharma was saying he as a ex selector would pick Rahane as he would be very good as no4.

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Pant is not ready after seeing him bat in IPL , he is too much of a hit and miss in middle order.The only way Pant would make the  team is as an opener who is given license to go for kill from ball one.But you need a different team for that to happen.

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Good squad.. no surprises or disappointments.

DK vs Pant was always going to be 50-50. Neither has set the stage on fire. And neither is going to play ahead of Dhoni.

 

If anything, they should have picked Saini ahead of DK or Jadeja...

Given that Dhoni is going to play every single game, and Rahul is a backup keeper if required for a brief period, they didn't need another in the squad. They could have picked a surprise quick bowling option in Saini instead of DK

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21 minutes ago, beetle said:

I don't think Pant should have got in.

Only that he is no worse than dk and if they had to send one ,Pant being one for the future would have made better sense.

But a bowler would have been better than both.

 

As for rayudu,if he took his place in wc squad for granted based on some performance  many months back ..then one can only call him delusional or him having too much faith in his biryani.

 

Agree. Pant is more a selection based on gut feeling. God forsaken if he flunks in the world cup at a crucial time, he will be crucified  no end. Lack of all rounders is really a big blow. If at all we find an all rounder he is more likely a spinner rather than pace bowler. In the whole country we have only 2? That is ridiculous. All rounders will be very very handy in a world cup. 

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1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

Hope the par score is 240 everywhere.

There is no chance for this team to chase 300 plus scores consistently.Selectors should have known this and should have selected extra fast bowler than extra keeper.

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1 hour ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Can't say tbh. Kuldeep and Chahal rolled over the English at the beginning of our tour last year. They got taken for runs as the series progressed, but in a tournament like the World Cup, you won't get the opportunity to get used to one team and their players. It could fail spectacularly as Kuldeep and Chahal aren't in the best of form, but just seeing how uncomfortable batsmen are against spinners these days on pretty much any wicket, it's not the worst strategy to have 2 spinners in the XI.

 

Can work against non Asian teams.

 

But we may need 3 fast bowlers against Asian teams.  Also, we may get a few tracks or conditions that aid movement for seamers.

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

like Saini for Jadeja though but it is what it is.

Yes, Saini needs to play for MI or CSK to stand a chance.

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Pathetic, gutless selection by the selectors. DK and Jaddu could have been left out for Pant and Gopal. Pant can definitely score more than DK and his keeping isn't any worse than DK's. Jaddu is in on the basis of fielding alone but Gopal is good in fielding too and a way better bowler. 

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55 minutes ago, Gollum said:

If you wanna see comedy, check twitter. Fans are crying that Biryani, UV, Raina, Chucker, Undertaker have been hard done by:hysterical:

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Without Yuvraj singh@YUVSTRONG12 India will not win the worldcup @BCCI against wrong team selected by you @imVkohli best of luck but without yuvi you can’t win

 

No suresh raina..
No rishabh pant...
No yuvraj singh.. A man who sacrifies hisself for the cricket
Dear @BCCI wht is this???.

 

@BCCI congratulations for such a nice selection . We are going to lose 2019 World cup. Without @YUVSTRONG12 atleast this world cup is not possible. #WorldCup2019 #YuvrajSingh

 

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5 Indian cricketers who deserved a place in the World Cup squad

#2. Ajinkya Rahane 

The Indian batting line up is immensely top heavy. This leaves the side with a porous middle-order. Although the dynamics of one day cricket has changed over the years, a player of Rahane’s quality is always valuable.

A calm head who can hold an innings together, Rahane will chip in with a much-needed graft to the otherwise silky batting order. Plus a sharp slip catcher.

 

#3.  Ambati Rayudu 

A relatively patient accumulator, Rayudu, like Rahane, would look to essay the role of the anchor man. A misfiring top order or a flurry of wickets  in the middle overs would require a patient head to stem the tide.

Not one to scythe through the bowling attack, the CSK player can be depended on. Throw in his part-time off-breaks, and Rayudu wouldn’t be a bad option to have on the squad.

 

https://www.foxsportsasia.com/cricket/1079489/5-indian-cricketers-who-deserved-a-place-in-the-world-cup-squad/


 

 

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I'm happy with the squad, and especially thrilled that they actually named Shankar as #4. Now, it is up to him to play his natural game instead of slogging - build an innings.

 

Fourth pacer is not needed, Jadeja is specialist sub fielder :aha:

 

And, right decision to not pick Pant, as he has to mature in his temperament, and the whole debate is only for a RESERVE keeper. It is not like they'll get into the 11. 

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14 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

3rd spinner wasnt needed at all. you could have him as stand by

We need a back up spinner and a back up seamer. This is world cup. We don't play one team many times. Many teams one time. Horses for the courses. 

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27 minutes ago, The Realist said:

Without Yuvraj singh@YUVSTRONG12 India will not win the worldcup @BCCI against wrong team selected by you @imVkohli best of luck but without yuvi you can’t win

 

No suresh raina..
No rishabh pant...
No yuvraj singh.. A man who sacrifies hisself for the cricket
Dear @BCCI wht is this???.

 

@BCCI congratulations for such a nice selection . We are going to lose 2019 World cup. Without @YUVSTRONG12 atleast this world cup is not possible. #WorldCup2019 #YuvrajSingh

 

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Only 3 pacers might sound like the mother of all moronic decisions, but I think the idea is to play both the leggies every game, in which case the third pacer won't be getting much game time anyhow. They will need the extra pacer only in extreme pace bowling friendly pitches, which are hard to come by in ODIs these days.

 

Jadeja is the specialist 12th man. His role is to come in as a substitute fielder once the opening bowlers finish their first spell.

 

Shankar has potential. Glad that he will be our number 4.

 

So Bumrah, Shami/Bhuvi, Kuldeep, Chahal, Pandya, Shankar.. that is not a bad bowling attack.

 

Trying Rahul in the middle order might work too.

 

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Shankar

Rahul

Dhoni

Pandya

Bhuvi

Kuldeep

Chahal/Shami

Bumrah

 

DK is a wasted spot agreed considering we have Rahul as the back up keeper, but other than that it's not a bad squad.

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Where are the talented batsmen in this country the last talent we have seen emerge is Kohli. Rohit Sharma was before him. We are not seeing that special talents in domestic cricket. Gill may be another one but it is too early for him.Shaw has too many holes in his technique.

 

We have been playing IPL for more than 15 years and it is still overseas players who are playing the roles of finishers in many teams.IPL has not produced one good hitter.

 

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

True non-regional biased fans @beetle ji and @Switchblade protesting for Rishabh Pant's outster :giggle:

I havr no problems with pant not going ...only him not being considered as good as dk.

Plus I feel Pant has not been responsible enough and WC spot would have rewarded that .

 

At least Pant was in serious contention because according to Prasad,that was the only selection (pant or dk) that was debated . Rayudu was not even in contention.

 

As the biggest vocal supporter of srh,you should not call me biased.:no:

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1 hour ago, beetle said:

I don't think Pant should have got in.

Only that he is no worse than dk and if they had to send one ,Pant being one for the future would have made better sense.

But a bowler would have been better than both.

 

As for rayudu,if he took his place in wc squad for granted based on some performance  many months back ..then one can only call him delusional or him having too much faith in his biryani.

 

Sunny or someone did speak about it. His point was simple if idea is to select backup keeper then kartik is right choice as he is better keeper.

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42 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Where are the talented batsmen in this country the last talent we have seen emerge is Kohli. Rohit Sharma was before him. We are not seeing that special talents in domestic cricket. Gill may be another one but it is too early for him.Shaw has too many holes in his technique.

The names ur taking didnt become big names in few yrs......rohit was 0 till 5-6 yrs 

Shaw, gill, rahul , shankar, pant all are special talent. Give few yrs......biggest of the biggest name took yrs n yrs

 

Every batsman has holes in his technique , at the end runs matter

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We have playing IPL for more than 15 years and it is still overseas players who are playing the roles of finishers in many teams.IPL has not produced one good hitter.

 

this is 12th IPL , how have we been playing it for more then 15 yrs 

Pant, kishen, pandya are not good hitters ????

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Tbh .. a fair selection based on our experimentation. If only they did not choose rayudu for last one year it could have been different.

 

DK is more versatile than pant . So TM trusstrd DKs experience over Pant's explosive potential . I think it's okay also for pant not to be there . Imagine there is a pressure situation and he chokes or plays a rash shot, it will haunt him for life or probably kill his career. It's better to leave it to DK and dhoni who have no future after this WC.

 

Jadeja is probably a gamble here . But having dhoni, they feel they can control pace of game through spinners. Kuldeep and chahal are different when dhoni is behind the wickets. And if we play 2 spinners jadejr will be there. Probability of playing kulcha pair is remote.

 

 

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Thinking about it, the squad offers a lot of flexibility for the middle order.. Maybe that was the best thing to do given the rickety middle order.

 

Top 3 are surely : Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli

 

4,5,6,7 can be :

  • Vijay Shankar, Dhoni, Jadhav, Pandya
  • Vijay Shankar, Dhoni, Karthik, Pandya
  • Rahul, Dhoni, Vijay Shankar, Pandya
  • Rahul, Dhoni, Jadhav, Pandya

 

10 overs have to be shared between Pandya and Shankar/Jadhav.  

Can play Shankar when we go with two spinners and with Jadhav when we go with all three quicks.

I really like the third combination with Rahul and Shankar making the XI.  

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17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

The names ur taking didnt become big names in few yrs......rohit was 0 till 5-6 yrs 

Shaw, gill, rahul , shankar, pant all are special talent. Give few yrs......biggest of the biggest name took yrs n yrs

 

Every batsman has holes in his technique , at the end runs matter

this is 12th IPL , how have we been playing it for more then 15 yrs 

Pant, kishen, pandya are not good hitters ????

Rahul has been in the scene since 2014, he is 27 if he is not among the best by 27 he never will be in his life. Stop hyping him , he is never going to be that great batsman.

 

Shaw and Gill it is too early , they are still kids, where are the taleneted batsmen since 2011 world cup, we are seeing the repeat of 2015 squad.

 

Since when Pandya is good hitter. Let Kishen make the team first before counting him as something, Pant is not a good one yet.

 

There is serious lack of incoming talented batsmen at this time.

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17 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Rahul has been in the scene since 2014, he is 27 if he is not among the best by 27 he never will be in his life. Stop hyping him , he is never going to be that great batsman.

Lets wait n watch

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Shaw and Gill it is too early , they are still kids, where are the taleneted batsmen since 2011 world cup, we are seeing the repeat of 2015 squad.

coz rohit n kohli were young batsman in 2011 who now have become senior 

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Since when Pandya is good hitter. Let Kishen make the team first before counting him as something, Pant is not a good one yet.

Pandya is not a good hitter :hysterical:, pant is the best hitter in the country by a distant margin

Pant has 2-100s overses in eng n aus......dnt make me remind how much kohli scored in his 1st eng tour 

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There is serious lack of incoming talented batsmen at this time.

their is a lack of opp, post 2019 once kohli is off captaincy ....we ll see 

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14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Lets wait n watch

coz rohit n kohli were young batsman in 2011 who now have become senior 

Pandya is not a good hitter :hysterical:, pant is the best hitter in the country by a distant margin

Pant has 2-100s overses in eng n aus......dnt make me remind how much kohli scored in his 1st eng tour 

their is a lack of opp, post 2019 once kohli is off captaincy ....we ll see 

That lack of young batsmen is what I am talking about in this country.IPL is biggest showcase for these guys.No one in this country can complain that they lack opportunity. They have to keep churning scores.Rahul made to world cup squad based on his IPL only.Pant missed the boat due to his inconsistency in IPL also.

 

Are you for real Kohli scored everywhere  stop giving his England failures excuse to justify others. 

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1 minute ago, putrevus said:

That lack of young batsmen is what I am talking about in this country.IPL is biggest showcase for these guys.No one in this country can complain that they lack opportunity.

Rayudu , DK, yuvi getting opp despite failing for yrs and youngsters cant complain what a fraud 

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

They have to keep churning scores.Rahul made to world cup squad based on his IPL only.Pant missed the boat due to his inconsistency in IPL also.

Rahul scored runs against Aus in t20 also , short memory 

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Are you for real Kohli scored everywhere  stop giving his England failures excuse to justify others. 

wrong dnt forget kohli failed miserbaly on his 1st eng n WI  tour , so dnt be harssh on youngsters . atleast pant has 100s in eng n aus whcih is no mean achievement. Dnt even let me show u stats of guys like yuvi , rohit m early yrs 

 

Players take yr n yrs 

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DK was not needed as reserve. KLR is good enough for reserve keeper.

Pant should have been in place of DK as pure batsman. Pant & Pandya on flat tracks at 5 & 6 could have been a great finishing combo.

Shankar's batting is not really needed in this team.He is not a hitter & does not have any 50 so far.He will be 1 more accumulator in a team full of accumulators.His bowling is not impressive by any standards.

KLR at 3,Kohli at 4 solves batting order problem.If Kohli is adamant to bat at 3,then play KLR at 4.He has hardly got a decent run at 4.The amount of chances they gave Rayudu,they should have given KLR a consistent run at 4. KLR is definitely more aggressive & has 3rd or 4th gears compared to Shankar.

Saini ahead of Jadeja is a no brainer. They might not play even 2 spinners,so 3rd spinner is unwanted.

Shaw should have been picked in place of Shankar. If any of Rohit/Dhawan bat terribly in initial matches,he could be perfect in that scenario.

Pant,Shaw,Saini should still keep knocking the doors.A few injuries can still open their ways. 

 

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3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Are you serious, who is youngster who needed to be given chances in 2017 and was not given.No youngster has staked his claim.

 

The only thing missing in this squad is extra seamer.

Seriously? Theres been no youngster? We seem to live in different worlds then

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4 hours ago, maniac said:

What is wrong with what he said? Would a professional sportsman who gave all his life to the sport be celebrating on missing the pinnacle of that sport- the world cup after he was almost on the fringes of selection a couple of months back? You may like Rayudu or hate him or think he doesn't deserve a spot, it is hard luck for sure.

Yes...now that I think hard and long, I feel for the man.....NOT ! Chal dafa ho ja Biryani !!!! :finger:

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19 minutes ago, diehardpacer said:

DK was not needed as reserve. KLR is good enough for reserve keeper.

Pant should have been in place of DK as pure batsman. Pant & Pandya on flat tracks at 5 & 6 could have been a great finishing combo.

Shankar's batting is not really needed in this team.He is not a hitter & does not have any 50 so far.He will be 1 more accumulator in a team full of accumulators.His bowling is not impressive by any standards.

KLR at 3,Kohli at 4 solves batting order problem.If Kohli is adamant to bat at 3,then play KLR at 4.He has hardly got a decent run at 4.The amount of chances they gave Rayudu,they should have given KLR a consistent run at 4. KLR is definitely more aggressive & has 3rd or 4th gears compared to Shankar.

Saini ahead of Jadeja is a no brainer. They might not play even 2 spinners,so 3rd spinner is unwanted.

Shaw should have been picked in place of Shankar. If any of Rohit/Dhawan bat terribly in initial matches,he could be perfect in that scenario.

Pant,Shaw,Saini should still keep knocking the doors.A few injuries can still open their ways. 

 

Kohli at 4 is suicide.. Might as well not play the WC..

 

Agree that DK wasn't necessary... Could have picked Saini ahead of DK.. Rest of the squad looks fine to me.

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