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Is Kaptan Kohli India's biggest weakness?

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Why borderline, he is retarded on the field of play & selection process! Lords, Perth, Rose Bowl & countless other venues where he effed up the team combo & tactics badly. He is winning only because the others are much worse than us, imagine this guy leading against Ponting or Waugh's Aus & let's not even get to WI :wp33:

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From those in the squad ->

 

a) rohit, dhawan, pandya, dhoni, kuldeep, bumrah and shami/bhuvi would be in for the first few games

b) the decision is between chahal and bhuvi/shami

c) KL should get a look in considering his form 

d) 1 spot should go to Jadhav/DK/Shankar 

 

Captaincy would come in to play wrt how Kohli reacts to changes during the game. But I am told he gets advise so .... 

 

One potential blunder could be playing more than 1 from Jadhav, DK and Shankar. That would weaken the 11 further

 

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1 hour ago, zen said:

From those in the squad ->

 

a) rohit, dhawan, pandya, dhoni, kuldeep, bumrah and shami/bhuvi would be in for the first few games

b) the decision is between chahal and bhuvi/shami

c) KL should get a look in considering his form 

d) 1 spot should go to Jadhav/DK/Shankar 

 

Captaincy would come in to play wrt how Kohli reacts to changes during the game. But I am told he gets advise so .... 

 

One potential blunder could be playing more than 1 from Jadhav, DK and Shankar. That would weaken the 11 further

 

KL is not a likely starter in the XI

MSK mentioned that Shankar will start at No. 4.. Rahul won't bat at 6, so Jadhav it is at 6.

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1 minute ago, First class said:

Like Tendulkar, he is also a great player but not a captaincy material. 

lol did tendulkar ever took India to finals of a multi nation tournament. Tendulkar broke down our only fast bowler. Virat asks for preservation of fast bowlers and believes in them. 

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5 hours ago, Gollum said:

Leave aside his batting skills, he is borderline mentally retarded. 

What are you talking about ? He is only captain who knows how to win tests abroad. Loi captaincy needs to be worked on. 

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22 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Explain how a mentally retard won test series in australia ?

Just like how an unqualified Italian barmaid ruled India for 10 years and oversaw 7+% GDP growth rate, Chandrayaan, passed RTE/RTI/NFSA, established MGNREGA etc. Hell we even hosted a CWG when she was reigning queen. 

 

We didn't win in Oz because of captaincy but sure as hell lost in RSA/Eng because of it. 

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1 hour ago, gattaca said:

What are you talking about ? He is only captain who knows how to win tests abroad. Loi captaincy needs to be worked on. 

What are you talking about, did you forget the humiliation in England or SA & let's not forget the depleted Aus side. You're bringing up SRT, do you even remember the opposition he faced & the teams we had back then :afraid:

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I cannot deny there is an insecure feeling when Kohli is the captain. It is almost like everything has to near perfect for us to pull off wins under him. Even slight hiccups will turn into a major disaster under Kohli. You don't get the feeling you can come back in the game. Hope his batting doesn't get affected.

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5 hours ago, Gollum said:

Just like how an unqualified Italian barmaid ruled India for 10 years and oversaw 7+% GDP growth rate, Chandrayaan, passed RTE/RTI/NFSA, established MGNREGA etc. Hell we even hosted a CWG when she was reigning queen. 

 

We didn't win in Oz because of captaincy but sure as hell lost in RSA/Eng because of it. 

At the very least be fair. SA series was handed on plate. Dont put batting failures on captain. 

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6 hours ago, gattaca said:

lol did tendulkar ever took India to finals of a multi nation tournament. Tendulkar broke down our only fast bowler. Virat asks for preservation of fast bowlers and believes in them. 

Isn't it obvious if you are going with only bowler.

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4 hours ago, R!TTER said:

What are you talking about, did you forget the humiliation in England or SA & let's not forget the depleted Aus side. You're bringing up SRT, do you even remember the opposition he faced & the teams we had back then :afraid:

Humiliation in Sa and England lol. Have you seen what dhoni did on previous tour. We competed very good. Should have won in both places. How many Indian captains won in Australia when aussies were rebuilding lol. The above poster was comparing captaincy of tendulkar. Tendulkar was poor captain compared to kohli. He didn’t know how to build and run the ship.

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2 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Please tell how many series in Australia 

please tell me how many faced this week australian side . That side didnt allow u to get away with mistakes which is what good side like eng n Sa did . A good side wnt let u get away with it, this Aus side wasnt even half of old sides

 

Now if i say Rahul dravid won in ENG, ganguly Drew Series in ENG.......kohli lost series their 

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11 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Humiliation in Sa and England lol. Have you seen what dhoni did on previous tour. We competed very good. Should have won in both places. How many Indian captains won in Australia when aussies were rebuilding lol. The above poster was comparing captaincy of tendulkar. Tendulkar was poor captain compared to kohli. He didn’t know how to build and run the ship.

I dunno, you must have the numbers? We did however beat superior sides to this current lot in the past, including 2003, 2008 & arguably 1979 (81?) as well.

 

SRT had poorer resources compared to Kohli, look at the team he captained in 99 & the team he faced then come back to me. Brat has failed twice in 2 series vs Aus, this time they didn't even have their best batters. If not for Pujara we'd have lost here as well. It's clear Virat isn't the best possible calming influence in the middle, also if his captaincy doesn't change not only will we start losing at home, his record with the bat will tumble as well. Not too many players have captained good sides to consistent losses & done well with the bat.

 

Yeah, let's forget the stinking team building under Brat. For all the hoopla around him, he's made every batter & possibly bowler insecure in the test side. I mean WTF picks 40 odd random teams - except Brat of course.

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He is a good test captain ,pace bowlers have flourished under him and we have seen brave bowling selections like 0laying 5 Pacers on greentops etc,he makes things happen in that format but in odis he has been found out somehow although his record is superb and he has won odi series almost everywhere in the world .

His biggest stupidity is team selection and not grooming young batsmen ,rather he has been anti young batsmen and mostly opted for TTFs 

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26 minutes ago, gattaca said:

We had the devangiri express as well and dodda Ganesh.

Ya those super phaast juggernaut right. Tendulkar might have thought on those fast , bouncy abroad pitches they would be life threatening so din't unleash them. 

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3 hours ago, Adi BB said:

He is a good test captain ,pace bowlers have flourished under him and we have seen brave bowling selections like 0laying 5 Pacers on greentops etc,he makes things happen in that format but in odis he has been found out somehow although his record is superb and he has won odi series almost everywhere in the world .

His biggest stupidity is team selection and not grooming young batsmen ,rather he has been anti young batsmen and mostly opted for TTFs 

Pace bowlers flourishing has nothing to do with captaincy, but the fact that for the first time India actually has good fast bowlers. 

 

For probably the first time in its history, India probably has the best fast bowler in the world in any format, in Bunrah. I shan’t Sharma, who used to spearhead the Indian fast bowling attack, is now a marginal 3rd or 4th pick, despite the fact that he is a better bowler today, due to becoming mentally stronger, than he ever was. 

 

I mean, before this era, the best fast bowlers India has had was probably Javagal Srinath, and Srinath would likely never even make it into the Indian squad today, never mind the likes of Venkatesh Prasad or Ajit Agarkar, who have been our #2 fast bowlers in the past (if not occasionally #1s). 

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No but he along with Shastri is a major cause of concern. There is nothing special about his captaincy s can be seen in IPL. Three formats, three captains.

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5 hours ago, Adi BB said:

He is a good test captain ,pace bowlers have flourished under him and we have seen brave bowling selections like 0laying 5 Pacers on greentops etc,he makes things happen in that format but in odis he has been found out somehow although his record is superb and he has won odi series almost everywhere in the world .

His biggest stupidity is team selection and not grooming young batsmen ,rather he has been anti young batsmen and mostly opted for TTFs 

Thats dumb , not brave 

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How many T20s world cups did India lose due Dhoni's captaincy and how many CTs did India even fail to get out of group stage under Dhoni. Not to mention the flops in overseas tests where matches were done and dusted in the first session of the many tests.

 

How many trophies or tests did India win under Ganguly again? Who the hell is better than Kohli as Indian captain.Look at the talents he is being given Rayudus and TTFs like Karthik.He has resurrected both Ishant and Shami.He has made this rag tag Indian team with no batting compete in all overseas series .He has won odi series in every country except England and people still are complaining about his captaincy.

 

 

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11 hours ago, putrevus said:

Was there any better captain than him for team India that includes Dhoni and Ganguly. Who cares about IPL. 

It is a case of "inspite of" not "because of". Bit like appreciating West Indian cricket board for all the talents that are coming out of their country. Only good thing he has done is that too in Tests,  is going in with bowler strong XI. But to offset that he went with trashy players like Rohit sharma while leaving out Rahane , Pujara in different times. Also in tests you can come back, you can take time.  I bet Rahane/ Pujara would have been good captains as well.  Anyway we are talking about one dayers here where he is clueless, also pathetic in pretty much every department. 1) Squad selection 2) Team selection 3) Pitch reading  4) Field placement 5) Bowling choices. 6) Attitude towards his team members.  You could ignore IPL. But we can't. You gotta exhibit that you could put together a team that can win matches. Rohit won 3 times in his first 5 years. Dhoni has taken his side consistently to play offs.  Gambhir resurrected a dud team KKR from the scratch and won the title twice. Even this year, Ashwin has been remarkable with his field placement, bowling rotation.  Kohli on the other hand was clueless in every aspect.  Rohit sharma looks 10 times better than Kohli.

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5 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

It is a case of "inspite of" not "because of". Bit like appreciating West Indian cricket board for all the talents that are coming out of their country. Only good thing he has done is that too in Tests,  is going in with bowler strong XI. But to offset that he went with trashy players like Rohit sharma while leaving out Rahane , Pujara in different times. Also in tests you can come back, you can take time.  I bet Rahane/ Pujara would have been good captains as well.  Anyway we are talking about one dayers here where he is clueless, also pathetic in pretty much every department. 1) Squad selection 2) Team selection 3) Pitch reading  4) Field placement 5) Bowling choices. 6) Attitude towards his team members.  You could ignore IPL. But we can't. You gotta exhibit that you could put together a team that can win matches. Rohit won 3 times in his first 5 years. Dhoni has taken his side consistently to play offs.  Gambhir resurrected a dud team KKR from the scratch and won the title twice. Even this year, Ashwin has been remarkable with his field placement, bowling rotation.  Kohli on the other hand was clueless in every aspect.  Rohit sharma looks 10 times better than Kohli.

Even DK looks 100 times a better captain then kohli, i bet make pappu patel captain of RCB he ll do better then kohli. 

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13 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

It is a case of "inspite of" not "because of". Bit like appreciating West Indian cricket board for all the talents that are coming out of their country. Only good thing he has done is that too in Tests,  is going in with bowler strong XI. But to offset that he went with trashy players like Rohit sharma while leaving out Rahane , Pujara in different times. Also in tests you can come back, you can take time.  I bet Rahane/ Pujara would have been good captains as well.  Anyway we are talking about one dayers here where he is clueless, also pathetic in pretty much every department. 1) Squad selection 2) Team selection 3) Pitch reading  4) Field placement 5) Bowling choices. 6) Attitude towards his team members.  You could ignore IPL. But we can't. You gotta exhibit that you could put together a team that can win matches. Rohit won 3 times in his first 5 years. Dhoni has taken his side consistently to play offs.  Gambhir resurrected a dud team KKR from the scratch and won the title twice. Even this year, Ashwin has been remarkable with his field placement, bowling rotation.  Kohli on the other hand was clueless in every aspect.  Rohit sharma looks 10 times better than Kohli.

I totally disagree with your views.I won't  look his captaincy in IPL prism. IPL it is toally different ball game team selections and player dynamics is totally different .Pujara and Rahane were dropped becuase they did nothing in previous series. Other than last two series Pujara was non factor in all overseas tours.Should he have given Rohit a chance who else was in the squad, Rohit has been around since 2007 and he has been getting chances from everyone.He is such kind of player which most captains are lured.

Rahane was dropped for two testsin SA  and he has played every test what has he done???

 

How is he clueless in onedays??? he has better winning percentage than any other Indian captain that too playing away from home. He has won away odi series where none of previous Indian teams won anything.He has redefined fast bowling in this country and is only Indian captain who is unafraid to lose a match to win it. What else do you want from a captain.

 

Is he the brightest guy around no but he will only improve why are people in hurry to push him out without any valid reasons.He has become a beast with bat after he became captain.

 

 

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