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Match no 33, Sunrisers Hyderabad vs Chennai Super Kings, 17 apr 2019, Hyderabad ,20:00 IST

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5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

then you gamble on guy who is proper batsman like mayank.It was such foolishness on everyone's part to give Rayudu chances. You cannot waste so much time on a 33 year old with no upside.Same with DK.

Mayank is a specialist opener , yes considering we have been playing musical chair for last 3 years he seems like a good option , but if had to groom some one for no4 ideally it should have been someone who plays in the middle order in domestic . Eg Nitish Rana 

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4 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Mayank is a specialist opener , yes considering we have been playing musical chair for last 3 years he seems like a good option , but if had to groom some one for no4 ideally it should have been someone who plays in the middle order in domestic . Eg Nitish Rana 

That is problem in Indian cricket , there is dearth of batting talent. Nitish Rana is not an international caliber batsman.Top3 have been covering up so many holes.Look around and see in this IPL and tell me which local batting talent is making to stop everything and watch him.

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Just now, putrevus said:

That is problem in Indian cricket , there is dearth of batting talent. Nitish Rana is not an international caliber batsman.Top3 have been covering up so many holes.Look around and see in this IPL and tell me which local batting talent is making to stop everything and watch him.

It’s not that we don’t have good batsmen , just that we don’t groom them . 

Top3 is doing well for every team in the world , be it ranji teams , IPL teams or international sides . 

Just look at the top scorers in IPL , Warner , KL , JB , Gayle .why do you think all are openers ? 

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2 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

It’s not that we don’t have good batsmen , just that we don’t groom them . 

Top3 is doing well for every team in the world , be it ranji teams , IPL teams or international sides . 

Just look at the top scorers in IPL , Warner , KL , JB , Gayle .why do you think all are openers ? 

yes Gill was wasted by KKR

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4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That is problem in Indian cricket , there is dearth of batting talent. Nitish Rana is not an international caliber batsman.Top3 have been covering up so many holes.Look around and see in this IPL and tell me which local batting talent is making to stop everything and watch him.

Agreed. Same goes for Samson who is pretty much pointless apart from 1.5 knocks every IPL season. His domestic record speaks for itself.

 

For some reason sneaks into every conversation about Indian batting talents 

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Just now, jusarrived said:

It’s not that we don’t have good batsmen , just that we don’t groom them . 

Top3 is doing well for every team in the world , be it ranji teams , IPL teams or international sides . 

Just look at the top scorers in IPL , Warner , KL , JB , Gayle .why do you think all are openers ? 

It is not about IPL, nobody is stopping these local players from scoring high in domestic cricket.It is also about talent. Indian top 3 is far better than any top 3 in the world .

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6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

yes Gill was wasted by KKR

I don't think so Gill is a top order player, he is not a fit for middle order.He might be the  opener in next world cup.

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3 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Agreed. Same goes for Samson who is pretty much pointless apart from 1.5 knocks every IPL season. His domestic record speaks for itself.

 

For some reason sneaks into every conversation about Indian batting talents 

People talk about Ishan , Sanju, they are not that talented sorry, I don't see any talent who is world class in domestic cricket.Gill might be one but he is an opener or top three.

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3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

It is not about IPL, nobody is stopping these local players from scoring high in domestic cricket.It is also about talent. Indian top 3 is far better than any top 3 in the world .

Again in domestic, who tops the batting charts ..it’s  mostly the openers . That’s why we end up with 4-5 batsmen in the Indian squad who can only open . You have to treat middle order and top order stats differently , only then you will find right players for right spot 

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2 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Am fairly sure if Gill does not plays lower than 3 for his domestic side , he will be forgotten in a few years 

Yes. They are being typecasted. Just because Shaw/Agarwal open doesn't mean they are fit only for that. 

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2 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Again in domestic, who tops the batting charts ..it’s  mostly the openers . That’s why we end up with 4-5 batsmen in the Indian squad who can only open . You have to treat middle order and top order stats differently , only then you will find right players for right spot 

No you can convert a good opening batsman into a middle order provided he has tools.I agree we need to look at middle order stats differently but guy like Rana has SR of just 83.If you don't have high avg you need to have high SR.Which domestic player you see now has capability of Raina who could start attacking from ball one.

Raina for all his short ball weaknesses was perfect for lower middle order.We need more Rainas, Raina is the best Indian batsman in IPL.He has been so good for Chennai.

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Oh wow wow wow, finaly ended the loosing streak against CSK lol.

 

If you ask me, Sunrisers needs to drop Williamson and add in Nabi/Shakib. Atleast this way they have that extra bowling choice also both of them are proper batsmen aswell. 

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People were calling Williamson the best captain last year.To be best captain you need to justify your place in the team first.Williamson is also very limited player in this format.Warner should be the captain, he is a very good captain.

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so Jadeja has been utter ****. Vijay shankar has been ****. and warner bairstow are looking a million dollars. WTF is ging on - why is everything going to **** for India suddenly ?

 

WTF is Jadeja doing in WC squad. 

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15 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No you can convert a good opening batsman into a middle order provided he has tools.I agree we need to look at middle order stats differently but guy like Rana has SR of just 83.If you don't have high avg you need to have high SR.Which domestic player you see now has capability of Raina who could start attacking from ball one.

Raina for all his short ball weaknesses was perfect for lower middle order.We need more Rainas, Raina is the best Indian batsman in IPL.He has been so good for Chennai.

You can , if the batsmen is in the league of Virat , Tendulkar etc . Can you think of one specialist opener who’s dropped down the order and done well ? I can’t . Opners imo are generally one dimensional players , it’s  extremely tough for them to adapt . Middle order bats are lot more versatile, so it’s fairly common to see them do well as openers . Some of them turned into greats once they started opening , basically cos they found opening much easier 

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1 minute ago, jusarrived said:

You can , if the batsmen is in the league of Virat , Tendulkar etc . Can you think of one specialist opener who’s dropped down the order and done well ? I can’t . Opners imo are generally one dimensional players , it’s  extremely tough for them to adapt . Middle order bats are lot more versatile, so it’s fairly common to see them do well as openers . Some of them turned into greats once they started opening , basically cos they found opening much easier 

You are right but look at the batting talent we have right now in this country all class batsmen are openers or top3. I am not talking about stats .

 

Sehwag had to be made into an opener because Indian middle order was loaded now it is opposite.Hussey who was opener made himself a world class middle order player.

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34 minutes ago, putrevus said:

People talk about Ishan , Sanju, they are not that talented sorry, I don't see any talent who is world class in domestic cricket.Gill might be one but he is an opener or top three.

you dont get readymade cricketers, sorry.  You have to groom them.  Ishan, Samson both are talented, even Nitish Rana.  You can pick any one of the three, give him 20-30 games and then see.  You think Kohli became player he is from game one?  Even Kohli was dropped from the team.  People who have 100s in T20 cricket must posses some talent.  you dont score 100s in T20 cricket for fun.

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18 minutes ago, putrevus said:

People were calling Williamson the best captain last year.To be best captain you need to justify your place in the team first.Williamson is also very limited player in this format.Warner should be the captain, he is a very good captain.

Williamson was the top run getter in IPL last year and he alone carried their batting.  they did not have any warner or bairstow then. He was out early on because of injury this year.

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38 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Again in domestic, who tops the batting charts ..it’s  mostly the openers . That’s why we end up with 4-5 batsmen in the Indian squad who can only open . You have to treat middle order and top order stats differently , only then you will find right players for right spot 

ditto.  Also pitches is domestic are usually not as good for batting as in international games because pitches get worn off with continuous matches on them in a tight schedule.

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58 minutes ago, construction430 said:

So i am assuming with CSK's loss today, everyone suddenly has restored their faith in BCCI for operating with it's full integrity.

No. As I mentioned in this thread, the script today was to lose badly so that the hero Dhoni seems the savior of the team without whom team fails. Perfect script

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2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

you dont get readymade cricketers, sorry.  You have to groom them.  Ishan, Samson both are talented, even Nitish Rana.  You can pick any one of the three, give him 20-30 games and then see.  You think Kohli became player he is from game one?  Even Kohli was dropped from the team.  People who have 100s in T20 cricket must posses some talent.  you dont score 100s in T20 cricket for fun.

Nobody is asking them to come ready made. You must kidding if you think Ishan and Samson will become Kohli if they play 100 games.Nobody is saying they are useless but I don't think they are class batsmen.Saha also has T20 100s but that does not make him a great batsman.

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9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

you are comparing veteran players to a rookie.

How is Shankar a rookie, he is 28. Mayank is also 28 and he showed that experience in his batting.Shankar is no long term prospect, I really doubt if he flops in world cup he will be in the team again.

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12 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Williamson was the top run getter in IPL last year and he alone carried their batting.  they did not have any warner or bairstow then. He was out early on because of injury this year.

I will take Warner over Williamson anyday in t20s.When Warner and Bairstow are there, there is no need for Williamson.He does not have anything great to add.SRK will be more balanced team if Nabi plays instead of Williamson.

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

I will take Warner over Williamson anyday in t20s.When Warner and Bairstow are there, there is no need for Williamson.He does not have anything great to add.SRK will be more balanced team if Nabi plays instead of Williamson.

Last year he was very good. Second highest run getter

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

Last year he was very good. Second highest run getter

Yes I know, Dravid has 22 ball 50 in odis and 10k plus runs.I would not want Dravid in my odi team. When Warner and Bairstow are there they don't need  Williamson.They are better off using guy like Nabi or Shakib.

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9 hours ago, construction430 said:

So i am assuming with CSK's loss today, everyone suddenly has restored their faith in BCCI for operating with it's full integrity.

Once in a while a match like this is needed to recreate trust :p:

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15 hours ago, The Realist said:

The WC picks so far look out of their depth or out of form.

 

Not looking good.

To look at the glass as half full - we have to hope that they are reserving their best for the WC and avoiding peaking early. 

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