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In ICC and world events, Rohit has been among the poor performers vs major teams. Below is his record: 

 

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S Dhawan 2013-2017 13 13 1 919 137 76.58 933 98.49 4 4 0 102 11 investigate this query
V Kohli 2013-2017 13 13 4 525 107 58.33 602 87.20 1 3 1 46 6 investigate this query
HH Pandya 2017-2017 4 3 1 105 76 52.50 54 194.44 0 1 0 4 10 investigate this query
Yuvraj Singh 2017-2017 4 4 1 105 53 35.00 106 99.05 0 1 0 13 2 investigate this query
MS Dhoni 2013-2017 13 8 1 240 65 34.28 243 98.76 0 2 1 20 6 investigate this query
AM Rahane 2015-2015 4 4 0 137 79 34.25 163 84.04 0 1 1 11 3 investigate this query
RG Sharma 2013-2017 13 13 0 414 91 31.84 546 75.82 0 4 2 40 9 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2013-2017 13 8 3 129 47* 25.80 129 100.00 0 0 0 13 3 investigate this query
SK Raina 2013-2015 9 7 1 126 74 21.00 113 111.50 0 1 0 10

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Among Indian openers too since 83, when we won the world cup and became a force, he ranks at the bottom with 1980s type of performance level in 2010s: 

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S Dhawan 2013-2017 13 13 1 919 137 76.58 933 98.49 4 4 0 investigate this query
SC Ganguly 1998-2007 15 15 2 869 183 66.84 1040 83.55 4 2 1 investigate this query
SR Tendulkar 1996-2011 31 30 0 1548 141 51.60 1778 87.06 4 9 1 investigate this query
V Sehwag 2002-2011 18 18 2 678 126 42.37 670 101.19 1 5 1 investigate this query
R Lamba 1989-1989 6 6 0 231 61 38.50 354 65.25 0 3 0 investigate this query
RJ Shastri 1983-1992 9 9 1 281 63* 35.12 581 48.36 0 4 0 investigate this query
SM Gavaskar 1983-1987 9 9 1 262 103* 32.75 320 81.87 1 1 0 investigate this query
RG Sharma 2013-2017 13 13 0 414 91 31.84 546 75.82 0 4 2 investigate this query
K Srikkanth 1983-1992 29 29 2 852 93* 31.55 1208 70.52 0 7 3

 

 

This year, he has generally been poor as well:

 

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V Kohli 11 11 0 611 123 55.54 648 94.29 3 1 0 57 5 investigate this query
KM Jadhav 11 9 3 290 81* 48.33 326 88.95 0 2 0 30 3 investigate this query
S Dhawan 13 13 1 420 143 35.00 475 88.42 1 2 2 52 4 investigate this query
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MS Dhoni 9 8 4 327 87* 81.75 418 78.22 0 4 1 22 6 investigate this query
AT Rayudu 10 10 2 247 90 30.87 328 75.30 0 1 2 24 6

 

 

 

Therefore, will Rohit turn the page vs major teams in this world cup or will he continue to fade away? 

 

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One lousy knock when match was over by all purposes does not make Hardik Pandya better than Rohit.Rohit is doing just fine leave him alone.Bangladesh qualified for ICC semis and Qtr final in last two ICC tournaments. 

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22 minutes ago, putrevus said:

One lousy knock when match was over by all purposes does not make Hardik Pandya better than Rohit.Rohit is doing just fine leave him alone.Bangladesh qualified for ICC semis and Qtr final in last two ICC tournaments. 

The thread is not about who is better or worse (an unnecessary use of strawman), but will rohit turn the page in this WC as in ICC events he has been extremely poor vs major teams (Aus, Eng, SA, WI, NZ and Pak) despite playing a large number of games relatively: 

 

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RA Jadeja 2013-2017 11 7 2 129 47* 25.80 129 100.00 0 0 0 13 3 investigate this query
SK Raina 2013-2015 8 6 0 119 74 19.83 109 109.17 0 1 0 9 4

 

 

PS a non-starter vs SENA

 

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V Kohli 2013-2017 5 5 1 197 76* 49.25 249 79.11 0 1 0 16 2 investigate this query
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7 minutes ago, zen said:

The thread is not about who is better or worse (an unnecessary use of strawman), but will rohit turn the page in this WC as in ICC events he has been extremely poor vs major teams (Aus, Eng, SA, WI, NZ and Pak) despite playing a large number of games relatively: 

 

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AM Rahane 2015-2015 4 4 0 137 79 34.25 163 84.04 0 1 1 11 3 investigate this query
MS Dhoni 2013-2017 11 7 1 177 65 29.50 191 92.67 0 1 1 13 4 investigate this query
RG Sharma 2013-2017 11 11 0 303 91 27.54 417 72.66 0 3 2 30 6 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2013-2017 11 7 2 129 47* 25.80 129 100.00 0 0 0 13 3 investigate this query
SK Raina 2013-2015 8 6 0 119 74 19.83 109 109.17 0 1 0 9 4

 

 

PS a non-starter vs SENA

 

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Are you kidding me, how are centuries against Bangladesh in Qtrfinals and Semi final not important.Rohit is just fine and is better every other Indian batsmen bar Kohli and Dhawan.

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5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Are you kidding me, how are centuries against Bangladesh in Qtrfinals and Semi final not important.Rohit is just fine and is better every other Indian batsmen bar Kohli and Dhawan.

His record does not correspond to that. Note even Kenya made it to SF. No one in his right frame of mind will cite two innings against a minor team in a sample size of 13, the most number of games Ind played in the period .... Need to keep fanboyism out

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Just now, zen said:

His record does not correspond to that. Note even Kenya made it to SF. No one in his right frame of mind will cite two innings in a sample size of 13, the most number of games Ind played in the period .... Displays fanboyism 

No one is their right frame count out knocks in semi finals and qtr finals to show some stupid stats which have zero relevance. Rohit Sharma has scored second most runs in ICC tournaments since 2013. Stop nitpicking , he is doing just fine. 

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Just now, putrevus said:

No one is their right frame count out knocks in semi finals and qtr finals to show some stupid stats which have zero relevance. Rohit Sharma has scored second most runs in ICC tournaments since 2013. Stop nitpicking , he is doing just fine. 

If you want others to take you seriously, you need to learn a few things: 

 

  • 1st: an avg of 28 at a SR of 73 vs 6 major sides is poor
  • 2nd: in one of your posts, you termed an inning by Pandya as useless (even when this thread is not on that), while you are claiming the importance of inning vs BD, a team which Ind is expected to be overwhelming favorites against 

Sorry, but run away! 

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Just now, Nikola said:

Would have lost badly to Bangladesh in 2015 quarter final without rohit's knock. Op include England to filter list who themselves have lost twice in last 2 world cup against Bangladesh. It's just clear you are trying to include teams which he failed against. 

Fanboyism at its best .... 8 teams are listed and you are worried about BD :hysterical:

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1 minute ago, zen said:

If you want others to take you seriously, you need to learn a few things: 

 

  • 1st: an avg of 28 at a SR of 73 vs 6 major sides is poor
  • 2nd: in one of your posts, you termed an inning by Pandya as useless (even when this thread is not on that), while you are claiming the importance of inning vs BD, a team which Ind is expected to be overwhelming favorites against 

Sorry, but run away! 

You have to run, stop posting nonsenical posts. SR for 13 matches in six years is not poor. Rohit is doing fine stop posting nonsense.

 

Rohit is one of the best odi batsman in world and just because you post some nonsense  he does not become bad one.

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Just now, putrevus said:

You have to run, stop posting nonsenical posts. SR for 13 matches in six years is not poor. Rohit is doing fine stop posting nonsense.

Rohit is one of the best odi batsman in world and just because you post some nonsense  he does not become bad one.

In your dreams: 

 

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17 minutes ago, zen said:

His record does not correspond to that. Note even Kenya made it to SF. No one in his right frame of mind will cite two innings against a minor team in a sample size of 13, the most number of games Ind played in the period .... Need to keep fanboyism out

Only Australia deserves to be included in the filter list and i will do that for you.

 

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If you are including England, Chokers, New Zealand then give me reason why? all are pretty avg teams in icc tournaments. If you include england in your filters then include bangladesh too cause they have beaten them twice in last 2 worldcups and made to worldcup quarterfinal which england didn't manage to do it.

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1 minute ago, jusarrived said:

I will be worried if he scores as we tend to lose more than win . Against good teams he will either screw us badly by batting selfishly or getting out cheaply . So the answer is No

even when he scores 75+ innings, his SR was still poor

 

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^^^Either you are slow or you have no clue about the game. I don't have to dream, Rohit is and has been one of the best LOI batsmen in last 6 years.He is better than all the nonsense you posted.He will be one of the key batsman for India again in this world cup .

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2 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Only Australia deserves to be included in the filter list and i will do that for you.

 

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If you are including England, Chokers, New Zealand then give me reason why? all are pretty avg teams in icc tournaments. If you include england in your filters then include bangladesh too cause they have beaten them twice in last 2 worldcups and made to worldcup quarterfinal which england didn't manage to do it.

No fanboy of any cricketer has worked so hard to include BD :hysterical:

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Steve Smith is not a better ODI batsman than Kohli just because he has a hundred in world cup semi finals.Sharma does not become a crappy batsman just because he flopped against some teams in world cup or any ICC tournament. 

 

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6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

^^^Either you are slow or you have no clue about the game. I don't have to dream, Rohit is and has been one of the best LOI batsmen in last 6 years.He is better than all the nonsense you posted.He will be one of the key batsman for India again in this world cup .

We are talking about ICC events, where Rohit has yet to perform like a key batsman vs major teams.  Not some random bilaterals, if you claim to know the difference 

 

If Rohit does well, I will be happy. But appears as if even his fanboys do not have that confidence 

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17 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Based on this analysis Tendulkar should never play World Cup finals as he tends to suck in finals.  Rohit is the best Indian batsman against Australia in Indian history. 

 

14 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Kohli shouldn’t play Pakistan in final of ice tournament as he failed once lol

 

there is no "analysis" here (strawman). It is simple data where a batsman tends to fail vs major teams in ICC/world events (where challenges are different than in bilaterals). And he has also been generally poor this yr leading up to the WC. Based on that the question is:

 

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Therefore, will Rohit turn the page vs major teams in this world cup or will he continue to fade away? 

 

where would you put your money?

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56 minutes ago, Nikola said:

sorry but got no time to debate with  you.

because the topic is below:

 

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Therefore, will Rohit turn the page vs major teams in this world cup or will he continue to fade away? 

now whether BD should be included in stats 

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v Australia 2015-2015 1 1 0 34 34 34.00 48 70.83 0 0 0 1 2 view innings
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v England 2013-2013 1 1 0 9 9 9.00 14 64.28 0 0 0 1 0 view innings
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v Sri Lanka 2013-2017 2 2 0 111 78 55.50 129 86.04 0 1 0 10 3 view innings
v U.A.E. 2015-2015 1 1 1 57 57* - 55 103.63 0 1 0 10 1 view innings
v West Indies 2013-2015 2 2 0 59 52 29.50 74 79.72 0 1 0 8 0 view innings
v Zimbabwe 2015-2015 1 1 0 16 16 16.00 21 76.19 0 0 0 2 0

 

 

So in 18 games, Rohit has only done well against BD and SL, AFG can replace Ireland and UAE :shock:  .... While having a sub 35 avg against every other side! 

 

 

Apart from BD and SL, has played more than 2 games vs Pak, WI and SA, where:

 

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Could be a serious concern for Ind if he does not pull up his socks!

 

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38 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

1 match sample against Australia? What a retarded analysis.

Analysis? :rolleyes: .... and everyone knows ICC events are not bilaterals and presents different challenges where the sample size is 13 games vs major teams, the most .... but good to see rohit fanboys awaken from their moronic dream world  :dontknow:

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36 minutes ago, zen said:

Analysis? :rolleyes: .... and everyone knows ICC events are not bilaterals and presents different challenges where the sample size is 13 games vs major teams, the most .... but good to see rohit fanboys awaken from their moronic dream world  :dontknow:

Stop with nonsense In ICC events Cummins will still be Cummins he won’t become Cummins x 10. Major teams you don’t get to decide who is major who is minor. Kaput made 175 against minor team we lost to BD in 2007 to a minor team got thrashed by Srilaknka twice in 1996 to the then minor team. Kohli also failed against oz in ct 2015 and 2011 Does that mean he shouldn’t play against OZ why do you club CT and World Cup just to prove a point. World Cup is different.

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8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Stop with nonsense In ICC events Cummins will still be Cummins he won’t become Cummins x 10. Major teams you don’t get to decide who is major who is minor. Kaput made 175 against minor team we lost to BD in 2007 to a minor team got thrashed by Srilaknka twice in 1996 to the then minor team. Kohli also failed against oz in ct 2015 and 2011 Does that mean he shouldn’t play against OZ why do you club CT and World Cup just to prove a point. World Cup is different.

Strawman arguments to protect your favorite player can only work on forums for you as you would be laughed out of rooms. Don't test your luck too much :winky:

 

It is common sense who the major contenders for the world cup are, and so is the fact that in a tourney upsets can happen (that does not change the fact about major teams). And players are judged based on how they are able to adjust while playing different oppositions on different grounds under different circumstances.

 

For Rohit, he basically has the lowest avg and SR among those who have played 13 games:

 

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He has been in relatively poor form in the lead up to the world cup this yr. BD, SL, and AFG have a slim chance of moving ahead in general, so there is a concern on Rohit's ability to adjust to playing full strength major sides in a non-bilateral type of format .... And this does not mean that you don't have to do well vs BD, SL and AFG or those teams cannot win on their day  

 

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No it is not straw man I am exposing your ignorant filters why do you think Kohli should play against Australia in World Cup given that he will fail against them for sure going by your filter prediction. Post next time without screenshots I don’t care what you post with million filters just debate without the pointless filters

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All those who ho failed against a specific team in specific events are certain to fail against them in the same specific event lol so we should pack the squad with 30 players and play only those who do well against specific team in a specific event. I am the one who makes straw man argument hahaha keep your jokes flowing

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1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

No it is not straw man I am exposing your ignorant filters why do you think Kohli should play against Australia in World Cup given that he will fail against them for sure going by your filter prediction. Post next time without screenshots I don’t care what you post with million filters just debate without the pointless filters

Buddy, everyone understands the game of attacking filters for data that does not work  and then trying to attack the messenger .... unless you are naive enough to believe in what you write .... the data clearly shows that for e.g. Dhawan and Kohli (the other top order batsmen) average 77 and 58 respectively where Rohit averages 32 (apples to apples is right there)  .... Additionally, data is also available for other players. Rohit is in the lower half  

 

Another factor would be the current form as if a player did well in the past, it does not mean he will automatically do well even if he is in bad form or past his best, and vice versa. Therefore, I have posted the current year's numbers as well, along with watching Rohit bat 

 

Unless Rohit dramatically pulls up his socks, it is unlikely that he is going to touch an avg of 40 vs. major teams, which Ind will have to beat to go to the next level (Most teams are expected to beat BD, SL and AFG for e.g.).  If he does well like a key batsman should (avg 50 or more) vs major teams, I will be happy    

 

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3 hours ago, zen said:

Buddy, everyone understands the game of attacking filters for data that does not work  and then trying to attack the messenger .... unless you are naive enough to believe in what you write .... the data clearly shows that for e.g. Dhawan and Kohli (the other top order batsmen) average 77 and 58 respectively where Rohit averages 32 (apples to apples is right there)  .... Additionally, data is also available for other players. Rohit is in the lower half  

 

Another factor would be the current form as if a player did well in the past, it does not mean he will automatically do well even if he is in bad form or past his best, and vice versa. Therefore, I have posted the current year's numbers as well, along with watching Rohit bat 

 

Unless Rohit dramatically pulls up his socks, it is unlikely that he is going to touch an avg of 40 vs. major teams, which Ind will have to beat to go to the next level (Most teams are expected to beat BD, SL and AFG for e.g.).  If he does well like a key batsman should (avg 50 or more) vs major teams, I will be happy    

 

You don't drop players based on 4 month form. Talking about current form in terms of Economy rate world's worst bowling attack right now England. For the year 2019  in 13 matches England is conceding 7.09 runs per over.  I Presume they should suck balls in the world cup. IN the last 2 years as well England has the worst bowling attack. Why do you keep considering them as a "major nation" in terms of bowling. If anything it is harder to score against Afghanistan than England. In the last 2 years Australia is conceding 5.61 runs per over on an average. 4th worst behind ENgland/SL/Windies. Why do you think it is hard to score runs against them?  Stop creating arbitrary "major teams" "minor teams" . You can't suck against any team.  

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12 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

You don't drop players based on 4 month form. Talking about current form in terms of Economy rate world's worst bowling attack right now England. For the year 2019  in 13 matches England is conceding 7.09 runs per over.  I Presume they should suck balls in the world cup. IN the last 2 years as well England has the worst bowling attack. Why do you keep considering them as a "major nation" in terms of bowling. If anything it is harder to score against Afghanistan than England. In the last 2 years Australia is conceding 5.61 runs per over on an average. 4th worst behind ENgland/SL/Windies. Why do you think it is hard to score runs against them?  Stop creating arbitrary "major teams" "minor teams" .  

a) Rohit is already in the squad so the topic is - "Therefore, will Rohit turn the page vs major teams in this world cup or will he continue to fade away?" 

 

b) Against good batting side, one has to bat well too. So the batsmen should avg higher   

 

c) The basket consists of 7 teams. Therefore, for a key player, his overall record should be good even though he might not do well vs. x team for e.g. BD is a minnow. Rohit case is more like he did well against only one team but not vs. rest relatively. Performance is judged vs. this basket 

 

I have not removed BD because Rohit has done well against it. But because if you see any of my stats, you are not likely to find minnow teams like BD and Zim .... In short, the thread is about performance vs. the selected teams, which play in most WCs and are not considered as minnows. Every team has either won the tourney or entered the final including SA and NZ, which have won CT. In the future, I may reduce basket size further but for now, will stick with it 

 

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Exactly, and Rohit has a relaively poor record against 7 teams in the basket :winky: 

 

 

 

 

 

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Your sample size is no more than 2 or 3 matches. Only against Pakistan he has played 4 matches. Had success in one match. He has played 15 matches against Pakistan. His average is 44 against them. But you use the 4 matches he played in the "special event".

 

He has played 36 matches against Australia. But you use that 1 match sample from the world cup.

His career average against Austarlia is 61.87 at a strike rate of 95.

 

Against South africa he has played 3 matches in the ICC tournament. Did well in one match. Failed in 2 matches. That is the only team against which he has a poor ODI record besides HOnkong. He averages 28. 

 

Against New zealand he hasn't played even a single game.

 

Against West Indies he has played 2 ICC tournaments. Did well in one match. His career record against West Indies is 64.15 in 26 matches. So why do you use a 1 match sample to prove your point.

 

Let me explain in a different way how your theory holds no water. 

 

Kohli in ICC events vs Australia  average 12.5 Failed 2 out of 2times

 

KOhli in ICC evnets vs Pakistan 6 matches  - 16, 9, 22*, 107, 81, 5 - That is only 2 out of 6 times success rate. 

 

Kohli in ICC events vs Engalnd   8 and 43 .  1 out of 2 times success.

 

Kohli has never played vs NZ like Rohit

 

Why do you think he will do well in the ICC tournament against these teams.

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Your sample size is no more than 2 or 3 matches. Only against Pakistan he has played 4 matches. Had success in one match. He has played 15 matches against Pakistan. His average is 44 against them. But you use the 4 matches he played in the "special event".

 

He has played 36 matches against Australia. But you use that 1 match sample from the world cup.

His career average against Austarlia is 61.87 at a strike rate of 95.

 

Against South africa he has played 3 matches in the ICC tournament. Did well in one match. Failed in 2 matches. That is the only team against which he has a poor ODI record besides HOnkong. He averages 28. 

 

Against New zealand he hasn't played even a single game.

 

Against West Indies he has played 2 ICC tournaments. Did well in one match. His career record against West Indies is 64.15 in 26 matches. So why do you use a 1 match sample to prove your point.

 

 

That is your poor understanding of my "theory" (there is no theory here as it is simply data) .... and ignores the difference b/w bilaterals and ICC events, see below: 

 

 

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et me explain in a different way how your theory holds no water. 

 

Kohli in ICC events vs Australia  average 12.5 Failed 2 out of 2times

 

KOhli in ICC evnets vs Pakistan 6 matches  - 16, 9, 22*, 107, 81, 5 - That is only 2 out of 6 times success rate. 

 

Kohli in ICC events vs Engalnd   8 and 43 .  1 out of 2 times success.

 

Kohli has never played vs NZ like Rohit

 

Why do you think he will do well in the ICC tournament against these teams.

 

 

Irrelevant as the above misses everything that I explained. The players are judged based on the major teams in the baskets (not individual teams) as one of the challenges of ICC tourneys is to play different teams (unlike in bilaterals) which expected to be at full strength and also introduce new ideas. You are quoting Rohit's bilateral records 

 

Therefore, it is YOU who is bringing in individual teams per your misunderstanding. And the case is of Rohit is not doing well vs. this basket of major teams. Where Kohli averages 58, while Dhawan averages 77 vs. the basket 

 

As usual, you are barking at the wrong tree (and creating strawman w/o probably even realizing it). And as I have said, you should NOT be talking data/stats as the school that you studied in, I would be its principal :winky:

 

Again, among those who played the same amount of games:

 

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You are not answering my question. I am going even at a granular level. Just because he scores 150 against South Africa doesn't mean he will do well against Australia. They are two different teams. There is no basket in cricket. You are not going to face South AFrica, Australia, NEw zealand all the teams in the same match. So stop with this BASKET nonsense. You play one team at a time. You cannot use basket to hide the weak numbers of Kohli against Australia in the ICC tournament.  Come up with that any other excuse you have other than this BASKET bullshit. lol.

 

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You are not answering my question. I am going even at a granular level. Just because he scores 150 against South Africa doesn't mean he will do well against Australia. They are two different teams. There is no basket in cricket. You are not going to face South AFrica, Australia, NEw zealand all the teams in the same match. So stop with this BASKET nonsense. You play one team at a time. You cannot use basket to hide the weak numbers of Kohli against Australia in the ICC tournament.  Come up with that any other excuse you have other than this BASKET bullshit. lol.

Players are chosen to do well more often than not (as there are bound to be some failures). The case of Rohit is that he has been a failure more often than not relatively speaking vs major teams :winky:  

 

And I do not even think you understand what "basket" implies (as I see some twisted or strawman type of version here)  :lol: 

 

 

 


 

 

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In ICC and world events, Rohit has been among the poor performers vs major teams. Below is his record: 
 
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S Dhawan 2013-2017 13 13 1 919 137 76.58 933 98.49 4 4 0 102 11 guruInvestigate.gif
V Kohli 2013-2017 13 13 4 525 107 58.33 602 87.20 1 3 1 46 6 guruInvestigate.gif
HH Pandya 2017-2017 4 3 1 105 76 52.50 54 194.44 0 1 0 4 10 guruInvestigate.gif
Yuvraj Singh 2017-2017 4 4 1 105 53 35.00 106 99.05 0 1 0 13 2 guruInvestigate.gif
MS Dhoni 2013-2017 13 8 1 240 65 34.28 243 98.76 0 2 1 20 6 guruInvestigate.gif
AM Rahane 2015-2015 4 4 0 137 79 34.25 163 84.04 0 1 1 11 3 guruInvestigate.gif
RG Sharma 2013-2017 13 13 0 414 91 31.84 546 75.82 0 4 2 40 9 guruInvestigate.gif
RA Jadeja 2013-2017 13 8 3 129 47* 25.80 129 100.00 0 0 0 13 3 guruInvestigate.gif
SK Raina 2013-2015 9 7 1 126 74 21.00 113 111.50 0 1 0 10 4
 
 
Among Indian openers too since 83, when we won the world cup and became a force, he ranks at the bottom with 1980s type of performance level in 2010s: 
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S Dhawan 2013-2017 13 13 1 919 137 76.58 933 98.49 4 4 0 guruInvestigate.gif
SC Ganguly 1998-2007 15 15 2 869 183 66.84 1040 83.55 4 2 1 guruInvestigate.gif
SR Tendulkar 1996-2011 31 30 0 1548 141 51.60 1778 87.06 4 9 1 guruInvestigate.gif
V Sehwag 2002-2011 18 18 2 678 126 42.37 670 101.19 1 5 1 guruInvestigate.gif
R Lamba 1989-1989 6 6 0 231 61 38.50 354 65.25 0 3 0 guruInvestigate.gif
RJ Shastri 1983-1992 9 9 1 281 63* 35.12 581 48.36 0 4 0 guruInvestigate.gif
SM Gavaskar 1983-1987 9 9 1 262 103* 32.75 320 81.87 1 1 0 guruInvestigate.gif
RG Sharma 2013-2017 13 13 0 414 91 31.84 546 75.82 0 4 2 guruInvestigate.gif
K Srikkanth 1983-1992 29 29 2 852 93* 31.55 1208 70.52 0 7 3
 
 
This year, he has generally been poor as well:
 
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V Kohli 11 11 0 611 123 55.54 648 94.29 3 1 0 57 5 guruInvestigate.gif
KM Jadhav 11 9 3 290 81* 48.33 326 88.95 0 2 0 30 3 guruInvestigate.gif
S Dhawan 13 13 1 420 143 35.00 475 88.42 1 2 2 52 4 guruInvestigate.gif
RG Sharma 13 13 0 556 133 42.76 701 79.31 1 4 1 44 16 guruInvestigate.gif
MS Dhoni 9 8 4 327 87* 81.75 418 78.22 0 4 1 22 6 guruInvestigate.gif
AT Rayudu 10 10 2 247 90 30.87 328 75.30 0 1 2 24 6
 
 
 
Therefore, will Rohit turn the page vs major teams in this world cup or will he continue to fade away? 
 
I don't think he has the stomach to do it....

I would want him to do well ....

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7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

KOhli 150 vs England

Kohli 0 vs Australia

Kohli 150 vs Windies

Kohli 0 vs SA

 

As per Zen's basket theory, ICC will distribute 75 runs to Kohli in each match lol

Another strawman by the forum fraud whose modus operandi is to misrepresent other persons position .... dude, why do you even come to forums if you have to resort to such :hysterical:  

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

Only strawman theory i see is blaming everything as strawman to run away from the answer lol You have basically surrendered with no answer. Good :hysterical:

good to see that folks like you have to resort to fraud even on forums  :hysterical: 

 

 

 

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