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In trying to take the chase deep, KL Rahul made it impossible - Harsha Bhogle

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i dont like taking it till the last overs unnecessarily .. if we are chasing a tricky total , then it is fine to play safe ele it will backfire spectacularly

 

another thing about dhoni is, when he is not going for sixes he plays the shot along the ground ( aka sachinesque )  .. but rahul plays many lofted shots which might backfire

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3 minutes ago, velu said:

i dont like taking it till the last overs unnecessarily .. if we are chasing a tricky total , then it is fine to play safe ele it will backfire spectacularly

 

another thing about dhoni is, when he is not going for sixes he plays the shot along the ground ( aka sachinesque )  .. but rahul plays many lofted shots which might backfire

I understand. But he is a lot more selective compared to what he was sometime back. So there is some improvement which will help us in one dayer. But this strategy is a fail strategy in T20 especially while chasing 180 plus total.

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7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I understand. But he is a lot more selective compared to what he was sometime back. So there is some improvement which will help us in one dayer. But this strategy is a fail strategy in T20 especially while chasing 180 plus total.

 

ideal strategy in T20 when chasing is that of watsons ..

score normally against  good bowlers , when you see weak bowlers murder them :lol: 

 

tuk tuking in the middle will give the Opposition captain to sue their part timers in the middle 

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You should try to chase as if you have an over less to account for unwanted pressure situation. If it is T20, chase as if it is 19. If it is 50, case as if it is 49 

 

Also you should be looking to go after 5th and 6th bowlers. At the end, you get to play death over specialists esp. vs major teams. If you get out, it is difficult for new batsmen to go after the key bowlers (and you would have lost the opportunity to go after 5th and 6th bowlers as well)

 

Batting deep concept is designed by those who probably want to secure a decent batting average first before taking any risks for their team 

 

However, batting deep can be ok in circumstances where you have lost a bunch of wkts and do not have enough resources available to put pressure on the bowlers 

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29 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Honestly i am super happy about the new approach of KL Rahul. It is highly productive in a one dayer. Take 3 or 4 overs ease yourself into the innings and go for big shots as the game goes along.

You are judged by how you adjust to a particular format. SRs in general of batsmen are lower in ODIs than in T20s. You can’t play like ODIs in T20s. What is transferable is form, confidence, etc 

 

Note that if everyone takes 3-4 overs to get going, and if a team loses 5-6 wkts, you can do your math on how much it can hurt a team 

 

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5 minutes ago, zen said:

You are judged by how you adjust to a particular format. SRs in general of batsmen are lower in ODIs than in T20s. You can’t play like ODIs in T20s. What is transferable is form, confidence, etc 

 

Note that if everyone takes 3-4 overs to get going, and if a team loses 5-6 wkts, you can do your math on how much it can hurt a team 

 

We are talking about in the early stages of the match. Not last 10 overs. In the last 10 overs you have to take more risks. If the score if 50/5 what do you suggest  Keep attacking? No.  Team like India cannot afford to lose their 6th wicket before 48th over given their woeful depth.

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1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

We are talking about in the early stages of the match. Not last 10 overs. In the last 10 overs you have to take more risks. If the score if 50/5 what do you suggest  Keep attacking? No.  Team like India cannot afford to lose their 6th wicket before 48th over given their woeful depth.

No batsman can afford to eat up 3-4 overs single handedly in PPs. You have to keep looking for and creating scoring opportunities. As a team, may be at times, you can take a couple of overs vs good bowling sides or to assess the conditions if unsure

 

I do not know how you came up with 50/5 number and then merged the idea that attacking is bad at that stage. It all depends upon the conditions, who is bowling, who is batting, etc. Attacking does not mean playing rash shots. If it is a batting friendly surface, the idea is not to get to a 200 total on a 300 pitch. On the other hand, If the conditions are bowler friendly, you would play accordingly working yourself towards what a good total is 

 

There are no black and white concepts where if you attack you get out and vice versa. And where attacking equals playing rash shots only

 

If a bowler is bowling well, you play accordingly. If a bowler is bowling ok, you take him cleaners

 

 

 

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Am generally ok with batsmen taking their time while chasing , but with a lot of conditions . You go steady only if you lose early wickets . If you chose to play like this then you have to see it through.  KL will be fine if he can take this approach playing in the middle order , but as an opener he cannot waste pps .

 

 

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1 hour ago, jusarrived said:

Am generally ok with batsmen taking their time while chasing , but with a lot of conditions . You go steady only if you lose early wickets . If you chose to play like this then you have to see it through.  KL will be fine if he can take this approach playing in the middle order , but as an opener he cannot waste pps .

 

 

That depends on condition, what you chase if you bat second, what kind of bowlers bowl. Let us say Dale steyn and Rabada are bowling 5 overs each. Is it worth throwing the bat around?

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2 hours ago, velu said:

 

ideal strategy in T20 when chasing is that of watsons ..

score normally against  good bowlers , when you see weak bowlers murder them :lol: 

 

tuk tuking in the middle will give the Opposition captain to sue their part timers in the middle 

Wait are you talking about KL or the person who was booed by a large Indian crowd last year in England :hmmm:

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4 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Its very clear that KL Rahul is playing for his WC spot and is treating IPL as a launchpad to improve his ODI form.

He has joined bunty sajdeh super agent who manages VK and is related to hitman. Mark my words he will play no.3 and vk will drop to no.4 to accomodate him. he has accomodated hitman in tests previosuly by batting up and dropping pujara

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13 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

He has joined bunty sajdeh super agent who manages VK and is related to hitman. Mark my words he will play no.3 and vk will drop to no.4 to accomodate him. he has accomodated hitman in tests previosuly by batting up and dropping pujara

That is a bad idea man.. VK dropping to #4. it is equivalent of killing a golden goose. It's his best run scoring position. 

 

KL Rahul can still bat at 4 and do good to the team. What is this obsession of young players wanting to play in top 3?. I never understand that. 

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36 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Wait are you talking about KL or the person who was booed by a large Indian crowd last year in England :hmmm:

everyone get booed .. bhagwan got booed in his own hometown as well :p: 

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13 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

We need a good #4 . Not 1-3.. Middle order is where our problems are. You can have hardik at #6 for later hitting. 4 and 5 can be KLR and Vijay Shankar. 

It seems you have missed the elephant in the team :phehe:

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13 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

We need a good #4 . Not 1-3.. Middle order is where our problems are. You can have hardik at #6 for later hitting. 4 and 5 can be KLR and Vijay Shankar. 

 

ithuku melayum nalla #4 venuma :giggle:

 

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4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

That depends on condition, what you chase if you bat second, what kind of bowlers bowl. Let us say Dale steyn and Rabada are bowling 5 overs each. Is it worth throwing the bat around?

Thats fine if the conditions are difficult and we are facing Rabada/Steyn , but thats very rare these days . We are regularly playing in 350 par pitches , more so England if we target anything less than 100 in first 15 we will always set below par targets . 

My problem with our approach opening is , we dnont score run a ball in PPs on flattest of pitches even against a Bangladeshi pace attack . 

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Anyway one positive is , a well set KL looks very destructive . if hes played in the middle order , KL + Dhoni ( assuming hes regained the hitting form ) + Hardik is as good as we have had . I think they are the Top 3 6 hitters from India this IPL

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52 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Anyway one positive is , a well set KL looks very destructive . if hes played in the middle order , KL + Dhoni ( assuming hes regained the hitting form ) + Hardik is as good as we have had . I think they are the Top 3 6 hitters from India this IPL

pant is still striking around 160.  second best after Pandya in terms of SR.

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1 minute ago, Real McCoy said:

Here is my opinion on players with good form

1. Pandya

2. Dhoni

3. Dhawan

KLR and Rohit are ok form. Pant, Jadhav and Shankar's form is horrible

 

Rahul has scored 520 runs at an average of 57 and SR of 131.  He is the second highest run getter at the moment.  has also hit as many sixes as Dhoni.  has one 100 and 5 50s. how is it an okay form? 

 

How is Pant's form horrible?  He has 348 runs this IPL at an SR of 161, has hit 16 sixes as well.  This will probably end up as his second best season till now. Best was last year. Jadhav and Shankar have been poor. 

 

Rohit has been below average with 307 runs and SR of 131, just 9 sixes.

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I hve been a huge fan of KL.............one thing he is not batting at its best. A lot of issues can been seen in his game technically which cud be the reason for him curbing is attacking game . Looking at his batting for the 1st time despite his runs he doesnt give me confidence  

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56 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

pant is still striking around 160.  second best after Pandya in terms of SR.

Yes higher SR overall , but in terms of pure slogging especially against pacers KL is a notch above  . 

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55 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

@rkt.india I said its my opinion. You can't disagree with opinions :laugh:. I know you want to disagree with everything but this is just too much

First of all how can you form an opinion about form of a batsman?  Form can never be an opinion because it can be backed by facts and stats?  Form of a batsman can never be subjective.   

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On 5/1/2019 at 11:31 PM, vvvslaxman said:

Honestly i am super happy about the new approach of KL Rahul. It is highly productive in a one dayer. Take 3 or 4 overs ease yourself into the innings and go for big shots as the game goes along.

Pay no attention to these super asinine Bambis.

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