vvvslaxman Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-videos/36319/in-trying-to-take-the-chase-deep-kl-rahul-made-it-impossible-harsha-bhogle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted May 2, 2019 Author Share Posted May 2, 2019 Honestly i am super happy about the new approach of KL Rahul. It is highly productive in a one dayer. Take 3 or 4 overs ease yourself into the innings and go for big shots as the game goes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 i dont like taking it till the last overs unnecessarily .. if we are chasing a tricky total , then it is fine to play safe ele it will backfire spectacularly another thing about dhoni is, when he is not going for sixes he plays the shot along the ground ( aka sachinesque ) .. but rahul plays many lofted shots which might backfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted May 2, 2019 Author Share Posted May 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, velu said: i dont like taking it till the last overs unnecessarily .. if we are chasing a tricky total , then it is fine to play safe ele it will backfire spectacularly another thing about dhoni is, when he is not going for sixes he plays the shot along the ground ( aka sachinesque ) .. but rahul plays many lofted shots which might backfire I understand. But he is a lot more selective compared to what he was sometime back. So there is some improvement which will help us in one dayer. But this strategy is a fail strategy in T20 especially while chasing 180 plus total. velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: I understand. But he is a lot more selective compared to what he was sometime back. So there is some improvement which will help us in one dayer. But this strategy is a fail strategy in T20 especially while chasing 180 plus total. ideal strategy in T20 when chasing is that of watsons .. score normally against good bowlers , when you see weak bowlers murder them tuk tuking in the middle will give the Opposition captain to sue their part timers in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 You should try to chase as if you have an over less to account for unwanted pressure situation. If it is T20, chase as if it is 19. If it is 50, case as if it is 49 Also you should be looking to go after 5th and 6th bowlers. At the end, you get to play death over specialists esp. vs major teams. If you get out, it is difficult for new batsmen to go after the key bowlers (and you would have lost the opportunity to go after 5th and 6th bowlers as well) Batting deep concept is designed by those who probably want to secure a decent batting average first before taking any risks for their team However, batting deep can be ok in circumstances where you have lost a bunch of wkts and do not have enough resources available to put pressure on the bowlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Honestly i am super happy about the new approach of KL Rahul. It is highly productive in a one dayer. Take 3 or 4 overs ease yourself into the innings and go for big shots as the game goes along. You are judged by how you adjust to a particular format. SRs in general of batsmen are lower in ODIs than in T20s. You can’t play like ODIs in T20s. What is transferable is form, confidence, etc Note that if everyone takes 3-4 overs to get going, and if a team loses 5-6 wkts, you can do your math on how much it can hurt a team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted May 2, 2019 Author Share Posted May 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, zen said: You are judged by how you adjust to a particular format. SRs in general of batsmen are lower in ODIs than in T20s. You can’t play like ODIs in T20s. What is transferable is form, confidence, etc Note that if everyone takes 3-4 overs to get going, and if a team loses 5-6 wkts, you can do your math on how much it can hurt a team We are talking about in the early stages of the match. Not last 10 overs. In the last 10 overs you have to take more risks. If the score if 50/5 what do you suggest Keep attacking? No. Team like India cannot afford to lose their 6th wicket before 48th over given their woeful depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: We are talking about in the early stages of the match. Not last 10 overs. In the last 10 overs you have to take more risks. If the score if 50/5 what do you suggest Keep attacking? No. Team like India cannot afford to lose their 6th wicket before 48th over given their woeful depth. No batsman can afford to eat up 3-4 overs single handedly in PPs. You have to keep looking for and creating scoring opportunities. As a team, may be at times, you can take a couple of overs vs good bowling sides or to assess the conditions if unsure I do not know how you came up with 50/5 number and then merged the idea that attacking is bad at that stage. It all depends upon the conditions, who is bowling, who is batting, etc. Attacking does not mean playing rash shots. If it is a batting friendly surface, the idea is not to get to a 200 total on a 300 pitch. On the other hand, If the conditions are bowler friendly, you would play accordingly working yourself towards what a good total is There are no black and white concepts where if you attack you get out and vice versa. And where attacking equals playing rash shots only If a bowler is bowling well, you play accordingly. If a bowler is bowling ok, you take him cleaners jusarrived 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jusarrived Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Am generally ok with batsmen taking their time while chasing , but with a lot of conditions . You go steady only if you lose early wickets . If you chose to play like this then you have to see it through. KL will be fine if he can take this approach playing in the middle order , but as an opener he cannot waste pps . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted May 2, 2019 Author Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 hour ago, jusarrived said: Am generally ok with batsmen taking their time while chasing , but with a lot of conditions . You go steady only if you lose early wickets . If you chose to play like this then you have to see it through. KL will be fine if he can take this approach playing in the middle order , but as an opener he cannot waste pps . That depends on condition, what you chase if you bat second, what kind of bowlers bowl. Let us say Dale steyn and Rabada are bowling 5 overs each. Is it worth throwing the bat around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R!TTER Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 2 hours ago, velu said: ideal strategy in T20 when chasing is that of watsons .. score normally against good bowlers , when you see weak bowlers murder them tuk tuking in the middle will give the Opposition captain to sue their part timers in the middle Wait are you talking about KL or the person who was booed by a large Indian crowd last year in England Stan AF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan AF Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Its very clear that KL Rahul is playing for his WC spot and is treating IPL as a launchpad to improve his ODI form. Real McCoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Stan AF said: Its very clear that KL Rahul is playing for his WC spot and is treating IPL as a launchpad to improve his ODI form. He has joined bunty sajdeh super agent who manages VK and is related to hitman. Mark my words he will play no.3 and vk will drop to no.4 to accomodate him. he has accomodated hitman in tests previosuly by batting up and dropping pujara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Stan AF said: Its very clear that KL Rahul is playing for his WC spot and is treating IPL as a launchpad to improve his ODI form. And that is excellent news. Stan AF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan AF Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: He has joined bunty sajdeh super agent who manages VK and is related to hitman. Mark my words he will play no.3 and vk will drop to no.4 to accomodate him. he has accomodated hitman in tests previosuly by batting up and dropping pujara That is a bad idea man.. VK dropping to #4. it is equivalent of killing a golden goose. It's his best run scoring position. KL Rahul can still bat at 4 and do good to the team. What is this obsession of young players wanting to play in top 3?. I never understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan AF Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 We need a good #4 . Not 1-3.. Middle order is where our problems are. You can have hardik at #6 for later hitting. 4 and 5 can be KLR and Vijay Shankar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 36 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Wait are you talking about KL or the person who was booed by a large Indian crowd last year in England everyone get booed .. bhagwan got booed in his own hometown as well Real McCoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, Stan AF said: We need a good #4 . Not 1-3.. Middle order is where our problems are. You can have hardik at #6 for later hitting. 4 and 5 can be KLR and Vijay Shankar. It seems you have missed the elephant in the team velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, Stan AF said: We need a good #4 . Not 1-3.. Middle order is where our problems are. You can have hardik at #6 for later hitting. 4 and 5 can be KLR and Vijay Shankar. ithuku melayum nalla #4 venuma Real McCoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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