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recently, almost every time I opened a scorecard of a match in Eng, the scores were 330+ .... on these pitches, a batsman can back himself to get a 50 .... the problem would more be Ind's openers esp. if they play slowly and get out at the wrong time after wasting balls 

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6 minutes ago, zen said:

recently, almost every time I opened a scorecard of a match in Eng, the scores were 330+ .... on these pitches, a batsman can back himself to get a 50 .... the problem would more be Ind's openers esp. if they play slowly and get out at the wrong time after wasting balls 

I agree. TM needs to make Rohit  aware of the trends. Their approach was great when the pair first emerged: 2013-14. But a change needs to come about. 

 

Hopefully Prithvi Shaw will be our new opener post WC.

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Agree.

 

Also now I feel the CT final was lost by our batsmen, 350 is par on these pattas and even Pakistan can score those many especially when they are in form (that too on a sunny, cloudless Oval pancake). So long I was blaming our bowlers but that final was lost by our useless batsmen, 340 odd against that bowling was doable, not like they had a McGrath or Ambrose in their ranks. 

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1 minute ago, Pandya_Power said:

Jesus Christ! Stop hyping heir Joe Averages. They will always be a #6 ranked side. DId you guys see the bowling they were thrashing? Woakes makes Bhuvi's knuckle balls look good. 

 

Pak is not a serious contender, no matter who they unearth.

No one is hyping them. The premise of this thread is that even their lower order can hack a few quick runs “even them” being a key word where as our middle order is either tuk tuk or filled with bunnies with the bat. 

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Indian bowlers must practice a lot with the bat. Chahal is worthless with the bat,  so may be not him. But Shami, bumrah and kuldeep must hone their batting skills before the world cup. 

 

I have a little hope for Shami and kuldeep. Shami if curbs his instincts,  can be handy and kuldeep has shown at times in the past that he can handle it. No worries over Bhuvi. He is a capable bat. Only thing that will give him an edge over Shami to be in the playing eleven. 

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2 minutes ago, Norman said:

Indian bowlers must practice a lot with the bat. Chahal is worthless with the bat,  so may be not him. But Shami, bumrah and kuldeep must hone their batting skills before the world cup. 

 

I have a little hope for Shami and kuldeep. Shami if curbs his instincts,  can be handy and kuldeep has shown at times in the past that he can handle it. No worries over Bhuvi. He is a capable bat. Only thing that will give him an edge over Shami to be in the playing eleven. 

Kuldeep or Bumrah at best are batsman who can give good support in a collapse situation by hanging in. They cannot hack the ball.

 

Shami and Bhuvi are capable of scoring some runs. In fact Bhuvi is miles better than Jadeja

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6 minutes ago, maniac said:

Kuldeep or Bumrah at best are batsman who can give good support in a collapse situation by hanging in. They cannot hack the ball.

 

Shami and Bhuvi are capable of scoring some runs. In fact Bhuvi is miles better than Jadeja

Agree. That's why I said they should practice some hitting or hacking as you say. Kuldeep is okay,  has shown he can hit it a few times. But Bumrah and chahal make Chris Martin look like ABD. 

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People blaming our top order. Serious question let us say Rohit gets out for 35(18), Dhawan for 50(30) and Kohli for 80(42) that is 165/3  from 15 overs what will be the final score we will still end up with given our current middle order?

 

I remember we were 300/3 after 40 and ended up with 375 odd with Pandey and Dhoni at the death against Srilanka I beleive 

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9 minutes ago, maniac said:

People blaming our top order. Serious question let us say Rohit gets out for 35(18), Dhawan for 50(30) and Kohli for 80(42) that is 165/3  from 15 overs what will be the final score we will still end up with given our current middle order?

Random numbers can be generated using =rand()  .... and no one can play for all 50 overs consistently 

 

View overall figures [change view]
Primary team India remove India from query
Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 remove between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 from query
Batting position between 1 and 3 remove between 1 and 3 from query
Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 10 remove matches played greater than or equal to 10 from query
Ordered by batting strike rate (descending)
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Overall figures
Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SRDescending 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 10 10 0 604 123 60.40 642 94.08 3 1 0 56 5 investigate this query
S Dhawan 13 13 1 420 143 35.00 475 88.42 1 2 2 52 4 investigate this query
RG Sharma 13 13 0 556 133 42.76 701 79.31 1 4 1 44 16 investigate this query
 


also 35 of 18 > 43 of 54 :winky:

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2 minutes ago, zen said:

Random numbers can be generated using =rand()  .... and no one can play for all 50 overs consistently 

 

View overall figures [change view]
Primary team India remove India from query
Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 remove between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 from query
Batting position between 1 and 3 remove between 1 and 3 from query
Ordered by batting strike rate (descending)
Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5   First pageFirst Previous pagePrevious Next Next page Last Last page dblBakArwB.gifReturn to query menu
dblBakArwW.gifCleared query menu
Overall figures
Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SRDescending 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 10 10 0 604 123 60.40 642 94.08 3 1 0 56 5 investigate this query
S Dhawan 13 13 1 420 143 35.00 475 88.42 1 2 2 52 4 investigate this query
KL Rahul 1 1 0 26 26 26.00 31 83.87 0 0 0 1 0 investigate this query
RG Sharma 13 13 0 556 133 42.76 701 79.31 1 4 1 44 16 investigate this query
Shubman Gill 2 2 0 16 9 8.00 32 50.00 0 0 0 2 0

 

also 35 of 18 > 43 of 54 :winky:

43 of 54 is not the target. The target is to carry the bat and end up with 150(125) :winky: for any of the top 3 and the others play around them

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9 minutes ago, maniac said:

43 of 54 is not the target. The target is to carry the bat and end up with 150(125) :winky: for any of the top 3 and the others play around them

Which is extremely difficult to do for him on current capabilities vs. major teams .... so that ends the story .... either play normal cricket or make way for a younger batsman 

 

PS Talking about random numbers, 165/3 after 15 > 165/3 after 35 overs. MO is likely to get a higher total in the first scenario as it can play itself in :winky:

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14 minutes ago, maniac said:

People blaming our top order. Serious question let us say Rohit gets out for 35(18), Dhawan for 50(30) and Kohli for 80(42) that is 165/3  from 15 overs what will be the final score we will still end up with given our current middle order?

 

I remember we were 300/3 after 40 and ended up with 375 odd with Pandey and Dhoni at the death against Srilanka I beleive 

They have no clue, India's only hope is top3 fire and do well along with bowlers. India is not capable of outslugging other teams.

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16 minutes ago, maniac said:

People blaming our top order. Serious question let us say Rohit gets out for 35(18), Dhawan for 50(30) and Kohli for 80(42) that is 165/3  from 15 overs what will be the final score we will still end up with given our current middle order?

Same ppl will say

  • They played irresponsible shots 
  • They havent gotten over t20 hangover 

 

 

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That's how they stacked their side, with a bunch of ARs. Watch how faheem gets hammered every game, yet gets picked coz he can hold a bat. Imad is their Krunal, getting the big stick from Roy. I'd rather pick Chahal/Kuldeep than these bits & pieces players but it wouldn't hurt for them to learn how to take singles & let #7 score some boundaries.

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Bowlers have to bowl not bat so if they are specialist and can pick up wickets then why you need their batting? last time we toured england our bowlers stopped them on avg less than 300 score in that series. If pak bowlers scores 40 - 50 then they give it that quickly in bowling as well. No need of bits and pieces player.

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