maniac Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Some good hitting by the lower order. They all seem to be atleast some what component with the bat. Our tail on the other hand They are not world beaters but their 6-10 seem to be better than India’s. Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 recently, almost every time I opened a scorecard of a match in Eng, the scores were 330+ .... on these pitches, a batsman can back himself to get a 50 .... the problem would more be Ind's openers esp. if they play slowly and get out at the wrong time after wasting balls Link to comment
Austin 3:!6 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 In Asif Ali, they found a good lower order striker. Link to comment
Pandya_Power Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, zen said: recently, almost every time I opened a scorecard of a match in Eng, the scores were 330+ .... on these pitches, a batsman can back himself to get a 50 .... the problem would more be Ind's openers esp. if they play slowly and get out at the wrong time after wasting balls I agree. TM needs to make Rohit aware of the trends. Their approach was great when the pair first emerged: 2013-14. But a change needs to come about. Hopefully Prithvi Shaw will be our new opener post WC. zen 1 Link to comment
Pandya_Power Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Regarding the tail-end hitting power, Bhuvi and Shami are OK I guess. The latter has only 1 gear. Bumrah recently showed that he can wield the long handle in on of the ODIs v/s Aus. Its really the spinners that don't ahve the ability to hit out. Link to comment
Gollum Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) Agree. Also now I feel the CT final was lost by our batsmen, 350 is par on these pattas and even Pakistan can score those many especially when they are in form (that too on a sunny, cloudless Oval pancake). So long I was blaming our bowlers but that final was lost by our useless batsmen, 340 odd against that bowling was doable, not like they had a McGrath or Ambrose in their ranks. Edited May 14, 2019 by Gollum Link to comment
putrevus Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Even on flattest pitches Indian middle order is useless. Top three have to do the job.Pandya is he good for 50 of 30 balls is yet to be seen. Link to comment
Pandya_Power Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Jesus Christ! Stop hyping heir Joe Averages. They will always be a #6 ranked side. DId you guys see the bowling they were thrashing? Woakes makes Bhuvi's knuckle balls look good. Pak is not a serious contender, no matter who they unearth. sandeep, zen, Norman and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment
maniac Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Pandya_Power said: Jesus Christ! Stop hyping heir Joe Averages. They will always be a #6 ranked side. DId you guys see the bowling they were thrashing? Woakes makes Bhuvi's knuckle balls look good. Pak is not a serious contender, no matter who they unearth. No one is hyping them. The premise of this thread is that even their lower order can hack a few quick runs “even them” being a key word where as our middle order is either tuk tuk or filled with bunnies with the bat. sergio04 and Pandya_Power 2 Link to comment
Norman Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Indian bowlers must practice a lot with the bat. Chahal is worthless with the bat, so may be not him. But Shami, bumrah and kuldeep must hone their batting skills before the world cup. I have a little hope for Shami and kuldeep. Shami if curbs his instincts, can be handy and kuldeep has shown at times in the past that he can handle it. No worries over Bhuvi. He is a capable bat. Only thing that will give him an edge over Shami to be in the playing eleven. Link to comment
maniac Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Norman said: Indian bowlers must practice a lot with the bat. Chahal is worthless with the bat, so may be not him. But Shami, bumrah and kuldeep must hone their batting skills before the world cup. I have a little hope for Shami and kuldeep. Shami if curbs his instincts, can be handy and kuldeep has shown at times in the past that he can handle it. No worries over Bhuvi. He is a capable bat. Only thing that will give him an edge over Shami to be in the playing eleven. Kuldeep or Bumrah at best are batsman who can give good support in a collapse situation by hanging in. They cannot hack the ball. Shami and Bhuvi are capable of scoring some runs. In fact Bhuvi is miles better than Jadeja Vk1 1 Link to comment
Norman Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, maniac said: Kuldeep or Bumrah at best are batsman who can give good support in a collapse situation by hanging in. They cannot hack the ball. Shami and Bhuvi are capable of scoring some runs. In fact Bhuvi is miles better than Jadeja Agree. That's why I said they should practice some hitting or hacking as you say. Kuldeep is okay, has shown he can hit it a few times. But Bumrah and chahal make Chris Martin look like ABD. maniac and sergio04 2 Link to comment
maniac Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 People blaming our top order. Serious question let us say Rohit gets out for 35(18), Dhawan for 50(30) and Kohli for 80(42) that is 165/3 from 15 overs what will be the final score we will still end up with given our current middle order? I remember we were 300/3 after 40 and ended up with 375 odd with Pandey and Dhoni at the death against Srilanka I beleive Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, maniac said: People blaming our top order. Serious question let us say Rohit gets out for 35(18), Dhawan for 50(30) and Kohli for 80(42) that is 165/3 from 15 overs what will be the final score we will still end up with given our current middle order? Random numbers can be generated using =rand() .... and no one can play for all 50 overs consistently View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 Batting position between 1 and 3 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 10 Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 3 of 3 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 10 10 0 604 123 60.40 642 94.08 3 1 0 56 5 S Dhawan 13 13 1 420 143 35.00 475 88.42 1 2 2 52 4 RG Sharma 13 13 0 556 133 42.76 701 79.31 1 4 1 44 16 also 35 of 18 > 43 of 54 Edited May 14, 2019 by zen sandeep 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, zen said: Random numbers can be generated using =rand() .... and no one can play for all 50 overs consistently View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 Batting position between 1 and 3 Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 10 10 0 604 123 60.40 642 94.08 3 1 0 56 5 S Dhawan 13 13 1 420 143 35.00 475 88.42 1 2 2 52 4 KL Rahul 1 1 0 26 26 26.00 31 83.87 0 0 0 1 0 RG Sharma 13 13 0 556 133 42.76 701 79.31 1 4 1 44 16 Shubman Gill 2 2 0 16 9 8.00 32 50.00 0 0 0 2 0 also 35 of 18 > 43 of 54 43 of 54 is not the target. The target is to carry the bat and end up with 150(125) for any of the top 3 and the others play around them Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, maniac said: 43 of 54 is not the target. The target is to carry the bat and end up with 150(125) for any of the top 3 and the others play around them Which is extremely difficult to do for him on current capabilities vs. major teams .... so that ends the story .... either play normal cricket or make way for a younger batsman PS Talking about random numbers, 165/3 after 15 > 165/3 after 35 overs. MO is likely to get a higher total in the first scenario as it can play itself in Edited May 14, 2019 by zen Link to comment
putrevus Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, maniac said: People blaming our top order. Serious question let us say Rohit gets out for 35(18), Dhawan for 50(30) and Kohli for 80(42) that is 165/3 from 15 overs what will be the final score we will still end up with given our current middle order? I remember we were 300/3 after 40 and ended up with 375 odd with Pandey and Dhoni at the death against Srilanka I beleive They have no clue, India's only hope is top3 fire and do well along with bowlers. India is not capable of outslugging other teams. Edited May 14, 2019 by putrevus maniac and sergio04 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, maniac said: People blaming our top order. Serious question let us say Rohit gets out for 35(18), Dhawan for 50(30) and Kohli for 80(42) that is 165/3 from 15 overs what will be the final score we will still end up with given our current middle order? Same ppl will say They played irresponsible shots They havent gotten over t20 hangover Nikola 1 Link to comment
Clarke Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 That's how they stacked their side, with a bunch of ARs. Watch how faheem gets hammered every game, yet gets picked coz he can hold a bat. Imad is their Krunal, getting the big stick from Roy. I'd rather pick Chahal/Kuldeep than these bits & pieces players but it wouldn't hurt for them to learn how to take singles & let #7 score some boundaries. Pandya_Power 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Bowlers have to bowl not bat so if they are specialist and can pick up wickets then why you need their batting? last time we toured england our bowlers stopped them on avg less than 300 score in that series. If pak bowlers scores 40 - 50 then they give it that quickly in bowling as well. No need of bits and pieces player. Link to comment
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