nitinbwj Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Our lower order collectively can’t score a 50 ball 50 leave alone hacking the ball..They are the double phd students from Courtney Walsh University of Batting !! Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 If we look at the performances this yr top 7 View overall figures [change view] Primary team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 Batting position between 1 and 7 Grouped by team Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Players Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s England 13 9 41 8 1715 150 51.96 1597 107.38 5 11 2 160 57 New Zealand 10 11 67 10 2509 138 44.01 2582 97.17 5 14 0 222 61 Australia 8 13 85 11 3372 153* 45.56 3713 90.81 6 21 5 296 60 South Africa 12 10 55 16 2111 121 54.12 2348 89.90 3 15 2 226 26 India 13 13 81 12 2809 143 40.71 3282 85.58 5 14 8 262 47 tail View overall figures [change view] Primary team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 Batting position greater than or equal to 8 Grouped by team Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Players Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s Australia 9 13 22 11 149 29 13.54 147 101.36 0 0 3 13 1 New Zealand 9 11 20 7 200 57 15.38 228 87.71 0 1 2 12 9 India 9 13 27 8 258 46 13.57 333 77.47 0 0 2 18 9 England 7 9 9 3 65 47* 10.83 94 69.14 0 0 4 8 0 South Africa 10 10 8 2 25 8 4.16 58 43.10 0 0 2 1 0 Most of the runs are being scored and to be scored by the top 7 Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 India openers View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 Batting position between 1 and 2 Grouped by team Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 1 of 1 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Players Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s India 2 13 26 1 976 143 39.04 1176 82.99 2 6 3 96 20 Ind 4-7 View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 Batting position between 4 and 7 Grouped by team Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 1 of 1 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Players Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s India 9 13 42 11 1187 90 38.29 1401 84.72 0 7 5 107 22 Despite getting to bat in a favorable environment, Ind openers have underperformed #4-7 avg 38 vs openers 39 /thread Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Finally Ind tail has contributed the highest to its team totals Link to comment
maniac Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, zen said: India openers View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 Batting position between 1 and 2 Grouped by team Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 1 of 1 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Players Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s India 2 13 26 1 976 143 39.04 1176 82.99 2 6 3 96 20 Ind 4-7 View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 Batting position between 4 and 7 Grouped by team Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 1 of 1 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Players Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s India 9 13 42 11 1187 90 38.29 1401 84.72 0 7 5 107 22 Despite getting to bat in a favorable environment, Ind openers have underperformed #4-7 avg 38 vs openers 39 /thread Favorable conditions 13 games this year out of which some games were on Green manbas in Nzl. By the same account Rayudu and Shankar are heroes and deserving a spot in the squad and Hardik has missed all of these games Link to comment
maniac Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, zen said: Finally Ind tail has contributed the highest to its team totals Can you provide numbers behind that? Instead of %? 2(1) is a 200 strike rate where as 150(100) is a 159 strike rate. Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, maniac said: Favorable conditions 13 games this year out of which some games were on Green manbas in Nzl. By the same account Rayudu and Shankar are heroes and deserving a spot in the squad and Hardik has missed all of these games For Rohit, may be anything that moves slightly is a mamba View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team New Zealand Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 Batting position between 1 and 7 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 3 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 7 of 7 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AT Rayudu 5 5 2 190 90 63.33 231 82.25 0 1 1 18 6 V Kohli 3 3 0 148 60 49.33 178 83.14 0 1 0 14 1 MS Dhoni 3 2 1 49 48* 49.00 39 125.64 0 0 0 5 1 S Dhawan 5 5 1 188 75* 47.00 230 81.73 0 2 0 23 1 V Shankar 3 1 0 45 45 45.00 64 70.31 0 0 0 4 0 RG Sharma 5 5 0 169 87 33.80 236 71.61 0 2 0 13 5 KM Jadhav 5 3 1 57 34 28.50 62 91.93 0 0 0 6 1 PS and also the SR Edited May 14, 2019 by zen Link to comment
maniac Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, zen said: For Rohit, may be anything that moves slightly is a mamba View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team New Zealand Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 31 Dec 2019 Batting position between 1 and 7 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 3 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 7 of 7 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AT Rayudu 5 5 2 190 90 63.33 231 82.25 0 1 1 18 6 V Kohli 3 3 0 148 60 49.33 178 83.14 0 1 0 14 1 MS Dhoni 3 2 1 49 48* 49.00 39 125.64 0 0 0 5 1 S Dhawan 5 5 1 188 75* 47.00 230 81.73 0 2 0 23 1 V Shankar 3 1 0 45 45 45.00 64 70.31 0 0 0 4 0 RG Sharma 5 5 0 169 87 33.80 236 71.61 0 2 0 13 5 KM Jadhav 5 3 1 57 34 28.50 62 91.93 0 0 0 6 1 PS and also the SR How is your sample set getting lower and lower from 13 games to now 5. Oh wait may be because of that incredible 100 in Aus Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 3 minutes ago, maniac said: Can you provide numbers behind that? Instead of %? 2(1) is a 200 strike rate where as 150(100) is a 159 strike rate. Just use the numbers in the table posted here on this thread .... I did a calculation on the fly and do not save such files! For e.g. Ind 1-7 = 2809; 8-11 = 258 Eng 1715; 65 and so on Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, maniac said: How is your sample set getting lower and lower from 13 games to now 5. Oh wait may be because of that incredible 100 in Aus that was for NZ that you asked "13 games this year out of which some games were on Green manbas in Nzl." .... Don't get panic attacks Close the thread Link to comment
maniac Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 Just now, zen said: that was for NZ that you asked "13 games this year out of which some games were on Green manbas in Nzl." .... Don't get panic attacks Close the thread SR is not a factor on green mambas neutralizing new ball is. 236 balls is nearly 40 overs that is approx 8 overs per match neutralizing the new ball which helped us win the series. What a beast a mosnotrous 264 on one day and a sedate new ball neutralizing knock on another hallmark of a champion. Switching gears according to situation Clarke, zen and Norman 3 Link to comment
jusarrived Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 It’s better than our top order Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 I see the usual brainless power play argument. These days entire 50 overs is a powerplay. 4 fielders outside 30 overs is as good as powerplay. Playing reckless cricket upfront and bringing Dhoni early is the ultimate stupid thing to do. Top three has to do bulk of the scoring like they did last two times in England. You cannot leave 40 overs to middle order in quest of 20 extra runs. Even today England was 74/1 Their pace picked up only after that. Pakistan was only 59/2 in the first 10. That is the modern day cricket score quickly in the middle and finish big. Even in IPL the team that finished big win 90% of the time. You could start well couple of wickets it will give so many opposition to claw back maniac 1 Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) Since 2013 in ICC events vs. 5 major teams: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2013 Trophy ICC Champions Trophy (ICC KnockOut) or World Cup Batting position between 1 and 7 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 9 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 4 of 4 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 2013-2017 9 9 3 412 107 68.66 479 86.01 1 2 0 33 5 S Dhawan 2013-2017 9 9 0 615 137 68.33 592 103.88 2 3 0 70 8 RG Sharma 2013-2017 9 9 0 244 91 27.11 343 71.13 0 2 2 22 6 MS Dhoni 2013-2017 9 6 0 132 65 22.00 135 97.77 0 1 1 10 3 Rohit and Dhoni need to pull up their socks or quit after the WC Edited May 14, 2019 by zen Link to comment
jusarrived Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 37 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: I see the usual brainless power play argument. These days entire 50 overs is a powerplay. 4 fielders outside 30 overs is as good as powerplay. Playing reckless cricket upfront and bringing Dhoni early is the ultimate stupid thing to do. Top three has to do bulk of the scoring like they did last two times in England. You cannot leave 40 overs to middle order in quest of 20 extra runs. Even today England was 74/1 Their pace picked up only after that. Pakistan was only 59/2 in the first 10. That is the modern day cricket score quickly in the middle and finish big. Even in IPL the team that finished big win 90% of the time. You could start well couple of wickets it will give so many opposition to claw back England where 172 in 20 overs . Indian openers won’t get to 130 on a good day . We lose early wickets I can understand going steady , my problem is on flat pitches we will be content scoring run a ball Clarke and sergio04 2 Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 In PP, we should target at least 70 runs .... if chasing RRR+1 in PP .... There is no reason to not get to that by playing "smart" cricket Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, jusarrived said: England where 172 in 20 overs . Indian openers won’t get to 130 on a good day . We lose early wickets I can understand going steady , my problem is on flat pitches we will be content scoring run a ball Here is the problem England has Morgan Stokes Root in the middle They can sustain the rate. We have Dhoni Jadhav possibly Shankar. These three cannot sustain. Even at their worst Rohit Dhawan > Shankar Jadhav Dhoni. I would rather want them to bat for than Dhoni and co. Getting those 20 extra runs in the first 10 will amount to nothing. Dhoni will blame the pitch and get away. Also our lower order is super weak. High time we realize we are not batting strong anymore we are bowling strong team So we have to stop thinking about 350 all the time Link to comment
zen Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, jusarrived said: England where 172 in 20 overs . Indian openers won’t get to 130 on a good day . We lose early wickets I can understand going steady , my problem is on flat pitches we will be content scoring run a ball Exactly, have to play as per the conditions and not some preconceived formula or perception The issue is in trying to discuss with guys who opposes likes of Pant to support Dhoni, Shankar and DK because they perceive them to be playing “safe” cricket, which is basically getting out LBW with a low score vs going for a 6. And then these guys would criticize Dhoni and Shankar, whom they support, to justify likes of Rohit playing perceived “safe” cricket and shield those guys, and when it is hard to play long innings consistently If a player is in form, he will take less time to get going. If not, he is likely to get out at the first challenge Edited May 14, 2019 by zen Link to comment
jusarrived Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 42 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Here is the problem England has Morgan Stokes Root in the middle They can sustain the rate. We have Dhoni Jadhav possibly Shankar. These three cannot sustain. Even at their worst Rohit Dhawan > Shankar Jadhav Dhoni. I would rather want them to bat for than Dhoni and co. Getting those 20 extra runs in the first 10 will amount to nothing. Dhoni will blame the pitch and get away. Also our lower order is super weak. High time we realize we are not batting strong anymore we are bowling strong team So we have to stop thinking about 350 all the time Morgan/stokes/root are not that great , you are overrating them . Anyway , i will not even talk about England’s batting, which is far superior in every aspect . Are we better than even Pakistan though ? It dosent make sense comparing Rohit/Dhawan with our middle order , compare them with imam/fakar ..are they any better? ... I have accepted long back that our batting is average , which includes our opening . Rohit and Dhawan are one of the weakest opening pair in this WC . Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 what exactly wud be pak lineup once shadab is back??? also wud they play faheem as a main bowler coz then their bowling looses a lot of sting...... Link to comment
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