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Fielding Sadhvi Pragya Thakur has been a monumental disaster

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Said it many times in election related posts but feel it deserves a separate thread. A potential terrorist first legitimized by giving party ticket from the prestigious LS seat of Bhopal, a bastion for BJP and now having to put up with her verbal diarrhea :facepalm:. Latest gem:

 

 

As if abusing martyr Karkare wasn't enough to satiate this 'sadhvi'. What are her credentials anyway? Being accused of terrorism? She is a compulsive liar and dumb as a rock, her and her stupid ass theories about cancer, gau mutra, gobar.....why has she been unleashed on the poor citizens of Bhopal (and India)?

 

You may have 1000 disagreements with Gandhi but he is 'Father of the Nation' and one can't simply hail Godse and expect to be showered with flowers, this isn't kosher especially when the act is being done by a prospective MP. She is making India look like a joke before the world, she is dumbing down political discourse in India, what next...altering of history books to give even more legitimacy to crackpot theories of these morons? Gandhi is the tallest freedom fighter of India, rightly or wrongly...sure criticize/expose his flaws in a logical manner (well researched by scholars/academicians and not WA gossip) but stop this Godse bhakti. Fringe is becoming mainstream, and these people aren't helping the Hindu society any way like they are claiming. She is a *ing migraine, does BJP want to scurry every 2nd day to defend her outlandish and hateful nonsense the next 5 years? Will that be efficient governance or unlimited chewtiyapa? Abhi se itni bhaunk rahi hai...imagine the bile if she pulls off victory against Diggy !!!! Open goal for opposition to target the party with defence on shaky ground, they have avengers like Pitroda, Mani....BJP has Thanos now and no place to hide. 

 

I support Modi/BJP but what they have done with this accused terrorist will go down as one of the darkest chapters in Indian democracy. I refuse to endorse this **** and won't waste a single calorie to defend the party whenever her name is brought up. BJP deserves condemnation and humiliation. Worryingly if lionizing these idiots is grand strategy of the party, God save New India. And did I mention she could still be convicted? Not yet acquitted, and that opens a Pandora's box. Enough SIMI, PFI, Hizb, IM, LeT, IS, CPI terror accused out on bail....what if they too start getting tickets? National security was supposed to be BJP's forte, right?

 

Would like to hear from others, especially fellow BJP/Modi supporters. 

 

Myself super pissed :angry:

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Gandhi was a victim of partition politics and his policies of Muslim appeasement. When people were dying , losing families, he went around preaching to Hindus to get killed or raped by Muslims without any fightback. If not Godse, some other victim would have killed him.

 

There was this Bengali Hindu (forgot his name) who wanted to migrate to India with all his family to Kolkata via train. His aunt didn't want to go by train, so he accompanied his aunt via foot and the rest of his extended family (17) took the train. He survived, while the rest of his family were killed in the train by Muslim mobs. I forgot his name, but he was one who wanted to Kill Gandhi. Likewise there are 1000s of victims who have had enough of Gandhi and his weakening policies.

 

Gandhi's acts are not idealism, but showing weakness and not willing to survive in extreme tough social situations. So, calling Godse a extremist or desh bhakt is opposite sides of a the same situational coin. We are talking about it 71 years later with modern terms like terrorism etc., but it was warranted in it's time. Gandhi had to go , so a lot of Hindus of the country (desh) wouldn't be sacrificed. I wouldn't call him a Desh Bhakt but a Hindu Raasthravaadi. 

 

Rahi baat acquittal ki,  She was charged with terrorism acts by NIA, ATS according to do Maharashtra MCOCA law (like TADA). NIA has found no evidence of her involvement now and all charges were framed by ATS. Karkare might be a martyr, but he and his dept have used extra-judicial methods to kill/charge people who are not involved and it has gone on record as well. That's how the Mumbai mafia had been contained after 1993 blasts. When the INC took up the charge of shoving down a Saffron Terror narrative, he and ATS had to frame charges as per INC Govt policy.  He is just a Govt pawn. She has been a victim of INC saajish and has paid a dear price. It is this ideology of INC that BJP is rightfully fighting.

 

Ideally, She should be restrained about giving out caustic statements about Hindu extremism, but the narrative should be about her false charge and how she is the victim of a Muslim appeasement policy of the secularists.

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28 minutes ago, sandeep said:

So Modi ji has no balls to challenge RSS diktats, even if they are wrong?

More thn diktats, it is the cadre that BJP needs. Without the cadre, BJP would be reduced to 2 seats like it did in 1984.

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Well the biggest lie this nation has ever seen is "de Di humey aazadi bina khadag bina dhaal ,sabarmati ke c..t tune kr diya kamaal, gh..ta kamaal kr diya, read about mapilla riots and our pujya baapu ji saying if muzzie brothers attacks Hindus Hindus are at fault and they should face death bravely, BC jis shradhanand ne mahatama ka title diya usko jab ek muzzie ne assassinate kr diya to ye Bhai Saab usko support kr rahe thay,remember the drama before partition,he cancelled noncoperation movement after chora chori Ben ki lo..,putting the future of lakhs in jeopardy,his experiment s with celibacy are world famous agree he was a great human being but as a politician gh...ta ,why is godse a traitor just for an assassination , by that logic John Victor booth or Lee Harvey Oswald are traitors,saala saari aazadi to param pujya baapu ji ne dilayi thi aur usse pehle aur baad main koi freedom fighter hi nhi hua.what happened after the death of godse,chitpawin Brahmin's were targeted by Congressis that is treachery, iron lady ordering shootout of 5000 goseveks that is treachery.

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The problem with BJP's recent decision is that when they finally take steps to set right real Hindu grievances they will be looked at with suspicion by many, including centrists. There are many grievances waiting to be solved, image matters, reputation can't be traded away so easily, can't be so myopic. BJP should have waited for her to get acquitted first, meanwhile using agencies to explore the Hindu terror conspiracy by Diggy and his cronies. They are playing their cards wrongly, India's image is at stake on the international forum. 

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I think the lust to win got better of a better sense and larger perspective. These two guys are ruthless. But I think this tendency could get better of them later. In desire to crush opposition, they will be rammed over. 

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11 minutes ago, Gollum said:

The problem with BJP's recent decision is that when they finally take steps to set right real Hindu grievances they will be looked at with suspicion by many, including centrists. There are many grievances waiting to be solved, image matters, reputation can't be traded away so easily, can't be so myopic. BJP should have waited for her to get acquitted first, meanwhile using agencies to explore the Hindu terror conspiracy by Diggy and his cronies. They are playing their cards wrongly, India's image is at stake on the international forum. 

Bhai nobody is going to look at suspicion,you are either straight on it face or quite,ab to log nhi khul kr bolne lage hai, but hum abhi nhi kintu parantu main ghuse Huey hai,bahar aao insert.

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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

So Modi ji has no balls to challenge RSS diktats, even if they are wrong?

Modi himself is an RSS man. Do you think she was involved in blasts? Her narco tests have been negative.

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@coffee_rules Pragya hasn't yet been acquitted under UAPA. At the least there is incriminating evidence that her bike was used in the Malegaon blasts. Rubina Memon's Maruti van was used in Bombay blasts, she was convicted and is presently serving life imprisonment. Acquittal is a must IMO especially when charges are so serious. Many innocent Muslims too land up in jail in terror cases, getting acquitted many years later. Now what if tomorrow Congress fields a potential jihadi citing this precedent?

 

18 minutes ago, vayuu1 said:

 

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I think Kamal Haasan said 'Independent India'. There would have been many professional rioters during partition but my vote will go for Kasim Razvi. Do read about AIMIM's history, Razakars, Razvi, Nizam Osman Ali Khan, Telangana Rebellion, Operation Polo etc. I am sure you will agree with my assessment, know the real face of these Owaisis and their party. 

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Gandhi hands were in full of blood . many innocent  people died  due to partition. If there is a GOD ,he must be in hell.

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What a stupid choice Sadhvi is ! She's a disaster but thankfully the elections are almost over and it wont dent BJPs seat matrix .She's a Jahil candidate ,BJP had so many better choices 

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Not a disaster for the party if she wins; the right wing fringe would have obviously wanted a loud mouth for their pet topics and BJP obliged in this particular case. 

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Might sound strange but plenty of people fail to find a connection with Gandhi due to his extreme views on self defense and non violence .It just goes against human or even animal nature ,it might sounds right in a civilized ,safe and secure environment but most will fail to practice it under threat and you just know that at the back of your mind.

 

 

Given the conditions during partition Gandhi comes across as a bit of a narcissist,trying to stand up for his values , rather than be pragmatic as a leader of the masses.I have seen a curious thing among people of older generations ,even though they love and respect Gandhi ,they dont hate Godse ,maybe because Godse looks like an normal guy who got angry at the horrific situation and held the leadership responsible and committed the murder.

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We have not gotten anywhere with RW agenda by being centrists and right of center. We need more voices from the RW, but intellectual ones. Somebody has to bell the cat. Nothing happened to the RW causes in 5 years. Good or bad, we need to pursue the following:

 

1. Art 35A/370

2. UCC

3. TTT

4. NRC

5. HRD reform - change text books showing Aryan Invasion theory with no archeological evidence to show it, but some biased scholar theorizing events that didn't happen in history based on dictionary meaning of sanskrit to other languages

6. Indic centric foreign policy, not based on what ME wants or Russia/China wants

7. Only RW thing that is not needed is the "swadeshi" economic policy of RSS. That is nothing but gandhian old school ideas to get out of colonialism. We need to embrace hardcode economic liberalization

 

 

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3 hours ago, Gollum said:

@coffee_rules Pragya hasn't yet been acquitted under UAPA. At the least there is incriminating evidence that her bike was used in the Malegaon blasts. Rubina Memon's Maruti van was used in Bombay blasts, she was convicted and is presently serving life imprisonment. Acquittal is a must IMO especially when charges are so serious. Many innocent Muslims too land up in jail in terror cases, getting acquitted many years later. Now what if tomorrow Congress fields a potential jihadi citing this precedent?

 

I think Kamal Haasan said 'Independent India'. There would have been many professional rioters during partition but my vote will go for Kasim Razvi. Do read about AIMIM's history, Razakars, Razvi, Nizam Osman Ali Khan, Telangana Rebellion, Operation Polo etc. I am sure you will agree with my assessment, know the real face of these Owaisis and their party. 

https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/sadhvi-pragya-singh-thakur-acquittal-bjp-candidate-malegaon-blast-1505819-2019-04-19

 

ATS accuses charges under MCOCA in 2008

NIA takes over the case in 2011

NIA gives clean chit and recommends to drop MCOCA 2016

Court drops MCOCA, but doesn't acquit , asks NIA and ATS charges be evaluated on merit  and charges under UAPA for trial 2017

Out on Bail since April 2017

 

So, the UAPA is a fresh charge is just to evaluate the NIA and ATS charges for the trial, NIA has dropped the MCOCA anyway. If there is a need for a trial, she has to be charged under some law and that is UAPA. 

 There are 1000s of cases on politicians which are under trial, but they do contest elections like Jayalalitha.

 

2008 MALEGAON BLASTS CASE

Sadhvi Pragya was named as accused number 1 in the charge-sheet filed by the Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) in the 2008 Malegaon blasts case. On September 29, 2008, an IED fitted in a motorcycle went off, killing six and injuring more than 100. The motorcycle (registration number GJ-05-BR-1920) was registered under Sadhvi's name.

After the formation of the National Investigation Agency (NIA), it took charge of the case in April, 2011, and filed a chargesheet in 2016. This chargesheet said that there was no evidence to link Sadhvi Pragya to the case and, therefore, she should be discharged.

The agency also recommended that MCOCA should be dropped against her. MCOCA was dropped but the court dismissed the agency's plea for her acquittal.

The NIA gave a clean chit to Sadhvi Pragya saying there is no incriminating material evidence against her, but the NIA special court rejected her exoneration and ordered in December, 2017, that she would face trial under the UAPA. The court said that both ATS and NIA charge-sheets have to be evaluated on merits during trial.

Later on, in October, 2018, the court framed charges against Sadhvi Pragya and six others under Sections 16 (committing a terror act) and 18 (conspiring to commit a terror act) of UAPA, and under the Indian Penal Code for murder, criminal conspiracy and promoting enmity between communities.

 

 

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@coffee_rules what's TTT?

 

Coming to Hindu-centric agenda an important point I will add is freeing temples and Hindu shrines from govt control. BJP has failed us massively here, they all want to loot our temples dry, never will they do that with other religious places of worship. 

 

Hopefully we get Ayodhya Ram temple built in the next tenure so that the matter is closed. Varanasi and Mathura are next, but will BJP have the political will to reclaim our holy sites? 

 

Idols being stolen from ancient temples esp in South India, we may need a central agency or ministry precisely for safeguarding our heritage. Also temple land (again more in Kerala, TN) that has been encroached upon needs to be looked into. 

 

Just like how the govt popularized Yoga in NDA-1, celebrated International Yoga day etc hope NDA-2 sees Ayurveda, Siddha get prime focus. Need to revive the dying practice of Ayurveda before it is lost forever and I am not talking about Ramdev type people here....Indic medicine is much more than that and our vast knowledge mustn't die away. Same applies to Siddha medicine. 

 

Citizenship for dharmics facing persecution in neighboring Islamic countries.

 

Kick out all evangelical groups operating in India and bring anti-conversion laws all across the nation including South, NE. Ghar wapsi should be done quietly in the mean time, especially for poor SC/STs tricked into changing their faith by vultures. 

 

Must be many more out there but govt has to start somewhere, NDA-1 was a disappointment. You rightly said, we need intellectual RW voices in positions of power and decision making. 

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5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

@coffee_rules what's TTT?

 

Coming to Hindu-centric agenda an important point I will add is freeing temples and Hindu shrines from govt control. BJP has failed us massively here, they all want to loot our temples dry, never will they do that with other religious places of worship. 

 

Hopefully we get Ayodhya Ram temple built in the next tenure so that the matter is closed. Varanasi and Mathura are next, but will BJP have the political will to reclaim our holy sites? 

 

Idols being stolen from ancient temples esp in South India, we may need a central agency or ministry precisely for safeguarding our heritage. Also temple land (again more in Kerala, TN) that has been encroached upon needs to be looked into. 

 

Just like the govt popularized Yoga in NDA-1, celebrated International Yoga day etc hope NDA-2 sees Ayurveda, Siddha get prime focus. Need to revive the dying practice of Ayurveda before it is lost forever and I am not talking about Ramdev here....Indic medicine is much more than that and our vast knowledge mustn't die away. Same applies to Siddha medicine. 

 

Citizenship for dharmics facing persecution in neighboring Islamic countries.

 

Kick out all evangelical groups operating in India and bring anti-conversion laws all across the nation including South, NE. Ghar wapsi should be done quietly in the mean time, especially for poor SC/STs tricked into changing their faith by vultures. 

 

Must be many more out there but govt has to start somewhere, NDA-1 was a disappointment. You rightly said, we need intellectual RW voices. 

I totally missed the temples' issue. Get Ram Mandir issue out of the bag. Fix Sabarimala and get our temples back from Govt control. It is so sorry that people from other faiths are in the trustees of Hindu temples. It is a shame.

 

TTT - Talaq Talaq Talaq 

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9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I totally missed the temples' issue. Get Ram Mandir issue out of the bag. Fix Sabarimala and get our temples back from Govt control. It is so sorry that people from other faiths are in the trustees of Hindu temples. It is a shame.

 

TTT - Talaq Talaq Talaq 

Recently in Karnataka there was a news story about how temple funds were being diverted to churches and mosques, this is the sort of nonsense we have to tolerate in the name of secularism in this country. If Modi ignores this very important matter in his 2nd term that will be an epic betrayal of trust. 

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Bjp also needs to bring anti conversion bill, as soon as possible also if I was in modis place, I would call dharma sansad and not just invite  sants from all over the country but khaap leaders from all over the states and dalit leaders plus other dharmics and pass a resolutions against  untouchability and lower upper divide, my message will be clear ki jab tumahara astitva hi khatre main hoga to castes ka achar daaloge, plus broader plan to unite all dharmics, self defence compulsory in all schools ,dharmic educations in schools, takeover of all abrahamic institutions and appointment by govt, dismantling the ecosystem and its selection procedure. 

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