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Just looked at the scorecard. 300 odd in 45 overs. Top 4 did the job and made it easy for the rest, who just needed to bat 50 overs and put the bad balls away to get to a good score 

 

Ind could be in a position where it would have not only lost wkts, but the tail Would need to go at 10 an over to get to even 300  (could be like 250 for 6 or 7 after 45) :phehe:

 

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3 minutes ago, zen said:

Just looked at the scorecard. 300 odd in 45 overs. Top 4 did the job and made it easy for the rest, who just needed to bat 50 overs and put the bad balls away to get to a good score 

 

Ind could be in a position where it would have not only lost wkts, but the tail Would need to go at 10 an over to get to even 300  (could be like 250 for 6 or 7 after 45) :phehe:

 

Our top 4 prefer to "consolidate" so that they get "in" before doing their job, i.e. score runs at a 'par' run rate for the conditions.  Its a class system - bat maximum number of balls, with minimum responsibility.  Its for the lower 'class' i.e. the middle order, to come in, face minimal deliveries, bat at 120 strike rate from the 1st ball, dragging the team score to some semblance of competitiveness.  

 

And every 4 or 5 games, one of the "stars" will score a nice century and justify the "strategy".  

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9 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

Much better bowling Pak

 

Just need a bit of confidence

Always easier to bowl better when the batting top order is back in the hut. 

 

Pakistan will have no hope in this WC with the likes of Faheem, Hasnain - better to bring back old man Amir - his batting is no worse than Faheem anyway.  

 

If not for the stupidity and predictability of dumb coach Arthur, Pakistan would be better served with adopting an attack mentality and prioritizing bowling over adding an extra batsman or bits-pieces player.  Pick the 5 best bowlers that can get you wickets.  Your batsmen are going to get out-gunned in the big scoring games no matter how many of them you pick. 

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Always easier to bowl better when the batting top order is back in the hut. 
 
Pakistan will have no hope in this WC with the likes of Faheem, Hasnain - better to bring back old man Amir - his batting is no worse than Faheem anyway.  
 
If not for the stupidity and predictability of dumb coach Arthur, Pakistan would be better served with adopting an attack mentality and prioritizing bowling over adding an extra batsman or bits-pieces player.  Pick the 5 best bowlers that can get you wickets.  Your batsmen are going to get out-gunned in the big scoring games no matter how many of them you pick. 


Reports suggest Amir & Wahab are back for the WC.

And maybe another bowler in place of Hasnain.
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1 minute ago, sandeep said:

Our top 4 prefer to "consolidate" so that they get "in" before doing their job, i.e. score runs at a 'par' run rate for the conditions.  Its a class system - bat maximum number of balls, with minimum responsibility.  Its for the lower 'class' i.e. the middle order, to come in, face minimal deliveries, bat at 120 strike rate from the 1st ball, dragging the team score to some semblance of competitiveness.  

 

And every 4 or 5 games, one of the "stars" will score a nice century and justify the "strategy".  

It is a vicious cycle.  To teach these guys a lesson, if Ind is 200/3 after 35, the guys lower down should just go at 6-7 an over by playing normal cricket

 

Then these guys will try to be like  250/3 at 35 (and even that could be slow on some surfaces) 

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35 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Our top 4 prefer to "consolidate" so that they get "in" before doing their job, i.e. score runs at a 'par' run rate for the conditions.  Its a class system - bat maximum number of balls, with minimum responsibility.  Its for the lower 'class' i.e. the middle order, to come in, face minimal deliveries, bat at 120 strike rate from the 1st ball, dragging the team score to some semblance of competitiveness.  

 

And every 4 or 5 games, one of the "stars" will score a nice century and justify the "strategy".  

Our middle order is far far inferior to England's MO. A 38 year old  grandpa, fragile Jadhav who can't run well, A ghost (not sure which one) at no.4 are no way comparable with Morgan, Root, STokes and array of hitters.  Unless you expect Indian top 3 give them 250/3 in 30 overs they are not going to take us to 350 runs. You expect top 3 to go at 8 an over taking all the risks? What is your expectation at different stage of our innings? 10th over 20th over 30th over. Problem is our middle order is garbage. Even at their worst Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli >>>>>>Dhoni/Jadhav/XXXX . Not like DHoni is going to start hitting sixes right of the bat or Jadhav going to do. Pandya is needed in the last 10 over. Batting at 5, Dhoni's strike rate is 77.54 in the last 2 years. Less than even Sohaib Malik.  Stokes 87, Latham 91, Miller 96. Morgan 94. Butler 156.

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