Norman Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Two ducks in a row for Moeen. Doing his best for his people. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 This is why we cannot compare our batting line up with england and expect us to score like that. By 40th over 6 wickets down. India cannot afford to have such a scenario. putrevus, Norman and JourneyMan 3 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Even Stokes is defending now :) 7 runs in 18 balls Link to comment
cric_fan Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Much better bowling Pak Just need a bit of confidence Link to comment
zen Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Just looked at the scorecard. 300 odd in 45 overs. Top 4 did the job and made it easy for the rest, who just needed to bat 50 overs and put the bad balls away to get to a good score Ind could be in a position where it would have not only lost wkts, but the tail Would need to go at 10 an over to get to even 300 (could be like 250 for 6 or 7 after 45) sandeep 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, zen said: Just looked at the scorecard. 300 odd in 45 overs. Top 4 did the job and made it easy for the rest, who just needed to bat 50 overs and put the bad balls away to get to a good score Ind could be in a position where it would have not only lost wkts, but the tail Would need to go at 10 an over to get to even 300 (could be like 250 for 6 or 7 after 45) Our top 4 prefer to "consolidate" so that they get "in" before doing their job, i.e. score runs at a 'par' run rate for the conditions. Its a class system - bat maximum number of balls, with minimum responsibility. Its for the lower 'class' i.e. the middle order, to come in, face minimal deliveries, bat at 120 strike rate from the 1st ball, dragging the team score to some semblance of competitiveness. And every 4 or 5 games, one of the "stars" will score a nice century and justify the "strategy". Edited May 19, 2019 by sandeep WC2011INDIA 1 Link to comment
Norman Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Their no.10 is scooping fast bowlers over fine leg for 6. And our no.10 raises his bat , if he touches the ball even against a trundler. Link to comment
sandeep Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, cric_fan said: Much better bowling Pak Just need a bit of confidence Always easier to bowl better when the batting top order is back in the hut. Pakistan will have no hope in this WC with the likes of Faheem, Hasnain - better to bring back old man Amir - his batting is no worse than Faheem anyway. If not for the stupidity and predictability of dumb coach Arthur, Pakistan would be better served with adopting an attack mentality and prioritizing bowling over adding an extra batsman or bits-pieces player. Pick the 5 best bowlers that can get you wickets. Your batsmen are going to get out-gunned in the big scoring games no matter how many of them you pick. Link to comment
sandeep Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Norman said: Their no.10 is scooping fast bowlers over fine leg for 6. And our no.10 raises his bat , if he touches the ball even against a trundler. I'd rather have Bumrah over any of these England 'bowlers'. I don't care if he's an automatic zero on the batting scorecard. Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
cric_fan Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Always easier to bowl better when the batting top order is back in the hut. Pakistan will have no hope in this WC with the likes of Faheem, Hasnain - better to bring back old man Amir - his batting is no worse than Faheem anyway. If not for the stupidity and predictability of dumb coach Arthur, Pakistan would be better served with adopting an attack mentality and prioritizing bowling over adding an extra batsman or bits-pieces player. Pick the 5 best bowlers that can get you wickets. Your batsmen are going to get out-gunned in the big scoring games no matter how many of them you pick. Reports suggest Amir & Wahab are back for the WC.And maybe another bowler in place of Hasnain. Link to comment
cric_fan Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Jimmy Cliff, zen, Ankit_sharma03 and 1 other 4 Link to comment
putrevus Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Shami has to bat with little bit more common sense.He can score some runs if uses some common sense.Rest of the Indian bowlers cannot bat. Link to comment
cric_fan Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 90mph yorkerThis is whst has been missing Link to comment
zen Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 minute ago, sandeep said: Our top 4 prefer to "consolidate" so that they get "in" before doing their job, i.e. score runs at a 'par' run rate for the conditions. Its a class system - bat maximum number of balls, with minimum responsibility. Its for the lower 'class' i.e. the middle order, to come in, face minimal deliveries, bat at 120 strike rate from the 1st ball, dragging the team score to some semblance of competitiveness. And every 4 or 5 games, one of the "stars" will score a nice century and justify the "strategy". It is a vicious cycle. To teach these guys a lesson, if Ind is 200/3 after 35, the guys lower down should just go at 6-7 an over by playing normal cricket Then these guys will try to be like 250/3 at 35 (and even that could be slow on some surfaces) Link to comment
Norman Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 These Curran brothers are seriously good. WC2011INDIA 1 Link to comment
Norman Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Pakistan just does not possess that DNA of chasing 350. Even if they are 300/1 after 40, they'll somehow lose it. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, sandeep said: Our top 4 prefer to "consolidate" so that they get "in" before doing their job, i.e. score runs at a 'par' run rate for the conditions. Its a class system - bat maximum number of balls, with minimum responsibility. Its for the lower 'class' i.e. the middle order, to come in, face minimal deliveries, bat at 120 strike rate from the 1st ball, dragging the team score to some semblance of competitiveness. And every 4 or 5 games, one of the "stars" will score a nice century and justify the "strategy". Our middle order is far far inferior to England's MO. A 38 year old grandpa, fragile Jadhav who can't run well, A ghost (not sure which one) at no.4 are no way comparable with Morgan, Root, STokes and array of hitters. Unless you expect Indian top 3 give them 250/3 in 30 overs they are not going to take us to 350 runs. You expect top 3 to go at 8 an over taking all the risks? What is your expectation at different stage of our innings? 10th over 20th over 30th over. Problem is our middle order is garbage. Even at their worst Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli >>>>>>Dhoni/Jadhav/XXXX . Not like DHoni is going to start hitting sixes right of the bat or Jadhav going to do. Pandya is needed in the last 10 over. Batting at 5, Dhoni's strike rate is 77.54 in the last 2 years. Less than even Sohaib Malik. Stokes 87, Latham 91, Miller 96. Morgan 94. Butler 156. Edited May 19, 2019 by vvvslaxman Norman 1 Link to comment
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