Trichromatic Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 This thread is not about good or bad politician. Love them or hate them, but who have been best players of Indian political game? List down names, their classic moves and checkmates in history of Indian politics. Not in particular order 1. Narendra Modi-Amit Shah 2. Ahmed Patel 3. Sonia Gandhi 4. Sharad Pawar 5. Laloo Yadav 6. YSR 7. Nehru Detonator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detonator Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Jegan Mohan Reddy is way more shrewd than ysr tbh. It's not easy to topple CBN in andra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweaker Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Amit Shah Narendra Modi Laloo Yadav Sharad Pawar Gulam Nabi Azad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Devegowda & sons Lalu & family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 How did you leave Karunanidhi and Jayalalithaa velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) Karunanidhi, read what Sarkaria Commission report said about him. The way he used to trap other politicians, bureaucrats, agencies, police, judiciary in corruption cases thus giving him leverage. He, his children, Raja, Marans, basically DMK hotshots never steal 100%....they involve other parties across political spectrum and hence trap the entire political landscape, cover can never be blown. The report even came up with a term to describe this: 'Scientific Corruption' way back in the 80s. The most crooked, cunning man in the history of Indian politics. Whenever DMK has done well in LS polls they have been in Central Govt with juicy ministries, even allying with Hindi chauvinist and Dravida enemy Vajpayee . Also remember how 2G case unfolded (lakhs of crores scale daylight robbery)? Raja and Kanimozhi are innocent while someone indirectly involved in Rs 42 crores embezzlement (fodder scam) is languishing in prison.....'scientific corruption' ka kamaal. Others (10) in no particular order: Pawar...even involved underworld and Pak!s in his politics , again he can never be trusted and is friends with everyone, never far away from position of power either in state or Delhi. Morning he will be breaking bread with the Gandhis, lunch with Mamata and night stay in some BJP leader's residence. If Karuna is king of corruption, Sonia the queen then this guy is crown prince. Sonia...this foreigner ruled India like an empress for 10 years and her party for double that time span, Cersei Lannister of Independent India. Amit Shah.. hand of the King, remove him and BJP is first among equals, not a dominant power. We will see his real avatar in NDA-2, expect a few Gandhis to end in jail. Amit Shah will be the one to destroy the Nehru dynasty, not Modi. Mulayam...similar to Pawar Indira Gandhi...1st real crooked person in Indian politics, destroyed/sidelined other Congress stalwarts including state/local leaders to become dictator, she started the dynasty in the real sense, not Nehru. By the time she was dead no checks/balances in Congress ecosystem, all became slaves to the first family. 1971, Emergency, Khalistan movement, LTTE, Op Blue Star all had her hand, a real selfish political motive in almost all her decisions. PV Narsimha Rao...ran a minority govt successfully, kept Gandhis and sycophants in control, especially the Italian thief lady. He could cut across party lines effortlessly. Himanta Biswa Sarma...He who has him controls North East. The greatest political mind when it comes to that part of the country, a real Chankaya who can break bread with any outfit there, forming alliances in a way that may seem logically impossible. He can bring Bangladeshi Muslims, Naga Christian separatists and RSS/BJP on the same table if he wants...that's his legendary status. How did RaGa lose his services ? Ahmed Patel....great organizer, in charge of finances, bridges communication between various party leaders (mainly family and rest) and controls them so that no one goes out of line, real whip of INC. Superior to Pramod Mahajan but inferior version of Amit Shah, way less versatile than current BJP Prez. Gadkari...this is pure speculation on my part but he is one guy Modi/Amit need to be wary of. Shrewd, ambitious, RSS backing, Nagpur, popular, ground support, major BJP state, and someone who might stage a coup within the party the day Modi slackens. Recall his behavior and controversial posturing/comments in NDA-1. Kejriwal....a crook, what others learnt in 40 years he mastered in 5, watch out for him in the future. He can go to any extent and shamelessly compromise for power. And no he isn't foolish, just a snake who is finding it tough in winter, his story is far from complete. The way he backstabbed Anna, removed alternate power centres, eliminated potential threats, compromised on corruption, allied with anti-India forces, faked attacks for sympathy etc...does that strike as foolish? He takes place of Maya in the list who did to Kanshi Ram what he did to Anna, but she was way more direct, naive and wasn't this bad after merely 5 years. She actually struggled/suffered against oppressive caste parties, Kejri has navigated his ship like an experienced captain to avoid getting bruised, also controls media like a pro, never away from limelight. Most importantly he is utterly shameless, very important trait in the political chess game. Honorable mentions: Maya, Amma, YSR, KCR, Naidu, Owaisi (with 1 seat ), Shibu Soren, Paswan, Tarun Gogoi, Muftis, Abdullahs, Deve Gowda, Yeddy...surely missing more Modi, Vajpayee, Advani, Rajnath, Sushma, Mamata, Left leaders, Patnaik, Lalu, Nitish, Thakerays etc I won't put in the 'best players' category. their rise was mainly due to charisma, luck, hard work, performance, struggle, sacrifice, etc....way too direct, don't play their cards well, not cunning enough compared to the above names. In a political game these naive (relatively) people will lose out to the above mentioned names if both sides are given equal resources. People naming Lalu...he got convicted while alive and no one to save him. Pawar, Sonia, Maya are yet to be caught red handed, only after Amma died did ecosystem have the guts to pronounce her guilty. Lalu is typical desi simpleton, using brawn over brain....he relied on luck, caste arithmetic and charisma to compensate for his weak political games skill set. Modi, Vajpayee etc...not crooked enough. Same with Advani, Sushma, Rajnath etc...good people who have relied on years of hard work to get where they are, like Jon Snow. Modi got lucky with 2002, Vajpayee with RJM....thankfully they had pillars of support in Shah/Advani who unselfishly played the supporting role. Mamata...she may play minority appeasement politics but actually isn't a political mastermind. Her story is one of guts, sacrifice, mental toughness since when she took on Commie rogues. She has been outmaneuvered so many times, it is funny now. Don't think ecosystem sees her as a PM candidate, she is a good rabble-rouser but let her remain in Bengal they may think. Give a Mulayam or Pawar 35 LS seats and see how differently they play their cards, how they bargain and manipulate the scene. What did TMC do with so many MPs last tenure? Left and most BJP tall leaders enjoyed success because of their well resourced, motivated and numerically significant cadre, ground workers. Behind every Modi or Vijayan (earlier Vajpayee, Jyoti Basu) are lakhs of unrecognized party workers who have toiled their whole lives, can't say about other parties, can we? They are disciplined organizations with grassroots level touch, no magic story or cheapos, to reach the top one has to show consistent performance and stand out. Also the reason there is less corruption and dynasty politics here. Patnaik, Nitish...good administrators, public goodwill, if they get too big for their boots that will be their end. Nitish especially has very little clue regarding what he does and how he acts. Thackerays...brawn, courage, no brain. Blackmail politics, no subtlety, watch where BJP was in Maharashtra in 90s and where it is now. Trend is visible. Don't want to comment on Congress non-dynasty leaders like Kamal Nath, Sibal, Diggy, Aiyer, Khurshid, Scindia, Pilot, Hooda, Sidda, Chandy etc because they have come up riding on sycophancy and/or dynasty politics. Haven't made up my mind about Captain yet, more will be revealed depending on how he tackles Sidhu and whether he can stand up to dynasty in these tough times for the party. Tbh don't follow Punjab politics much, that's why I didn't include the Badals. PS: Haven't analyzed old time leaders except a couple (IG, PVNR), else it will be toooo long. Even among current leaders must have missed a dozen or so names, too many of these assholes to fit in one post. Edited May 21, 2019 by Gollum FischerTal, DHONI_FANN, sergio04 and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 2 hours ago, The Dark Horse said: How did you leave Karunanidhi and Jayalalithaa Karunanidi - yes Amma - no , she is not flexible Stan AF and Real McCoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turning_track Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Madhu Koda- becoming a CM as an independent candidate despite the presence of BJP, INC & JMM, making the latter two parties reluctantly giving him support to run govt. Him & his associates amassed hundreds of crores in his short tenure, thanks to thousands of crores of different scams in Jharkhand. Gollum and DHONI_FANN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Turning_track said: Madhu Koda- becoming a CM as an independent candidate despite the presence of BJP, INC & JMM, making the latter two parties reluctantly giving him support to run govt. Him & his associates amassed hundreds of crores in his short tenure, thanks to thousands of crores of different scams in Jharkhand. Forgot about him, he is a maha chor. Most Indians don't know much about Jharkhand politics and the extent of corruption (mineral rich, mining mafia), these 2 gentlemen below appear so innocuous but what they have accomplished ...they are practically demi-Gods in major part of that state. When I was young and people around me called Soren 'Guruji' I really thought he was a Hindu saint, with that long beard and mannerisms. Now I know the reality Edited May 21, 2019 by Gollum Laaloo, Turning_track and DHONI_FANN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 4 hours ago, velu said: Karunanidi - yes Amma - no , she is not flexible JJ was quite immature when she started out with outright stealing in the 90s. Back then KK appeared to be the lesser evil. But post 2000s, her rule was somewhat better than KK as she became aware of the political scenario. Too aware that she didnt even trust her own party or family. So no, she was not a best political player. KK has stolen almost 50 years woth of riches without making a scene. Best political player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) KCR successfully fooled congress in to dividing state and congress lost both states. AP had higher no seats around 42 MPs if I remember correctly. A big dent for congress in national elections.Chandra babu should be happy he gave a state where he can rule for decades but he doesn’t like it. Edited May 21, 2019 by gattaca Stan AF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I think EC should enforce pre-poll alliances with national parties for a period of 20 years, a must for regional parties. Without a backing of a national party, nobody should be allowed to contest. Having alliances and breaking them and joining the winning party to form govt, these regional politicians like CBN, Amma, Karunanidhi have looted the country. I respect politicians who stick to one ideology and not keep switching parties where the wind blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: I think EC should enforce pre-poll alliances with national parties for a period of 20 years, a must for regional parties. Without a backing of a national party, nobody should be allowed to contest. Having alliances and breaking them and joining the winning party to form govt, these regional politicians like CBN, Amma, Karunanidhi have looted the country. I respect politicians who stick to one ideology and not keep switching parties where the wind blows. Norman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 See this is what is happening with regional politicians in India. They will use facetime sitting in their rooms in the same house and discuss.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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