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Massive massive respect, I bow down to thee :adore:. The story of this election, up against a tyrant and 7 phases of polling which saw violence, intimidation, booth capturing, exodus threats, biased state machinery etc. Bengali Hindus have finally woken up and the courage they exhibited is inspiring. Special shout out to the BJP karyakartas, so many people have paid with their lives, honour their sacrifices:hatsoff:.  

 

I have a special attachment to the state and the result yesterday was the happiest election related day of my life, more than 2014. I never thought this would be possible but the brave Bengalis have shown the way. Considering the odds stacked against them, this was a miracle. 18/42 seats and 40% voteshare !!!! Hope this is a sign of things to come and Bengal moves in a way to fulfill Dr. BC Roy's vision.

 

Too long have the people suffered and underachieved, about time Bengal takes its rightful place in India's growth story. They led our decaying society to light during Bengal renaissance, they led the freedom struggle, time to be the new engine behind New India.

 

All Bengalis and BJP supporters on ICF, hip hip hurray!!!

 

Me veggie, so biased :p: but something there for everyone....

 

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20 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 

I don't think leadership gives two hoots about them. Just a passing reference for Shah and Modi. Ideally in the first speech, they should have shown the pictures of all of them to humiliate the Indian media and declared some financial support for them. 

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Need to be very careful in letting Hindi culture in Bengal. Mamata needs to go and industrialization needs to be welcomed. But any attempts to bring Hinduvta or Hindi belt culture into Bengal should be thrawted and BJP will no doubt be chucked away if they try that. The virulent attempts by BJP to spread communal hatred and Hindi in Bengal should be rejected but their development agenda should be welcomed. Should definitely be given a chance

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1 hour ago, Pollack said:

Candle light dinner se kya hoga? Are they helping their families financially? 

More and more voices being raised about this, including by BJP MPs. But I do think more is being done by Hindu orgs and RW groups to help the victims these days. When Ramalingam was murdered by Islamists for resisting forced conversion of Dalits, RW raised Rs 35 lakhs for his family within 2 days. Likewise when some RSS, BJP cadre have been murdered, money has been raised by crowdfunding (can speak for Karnataka here cos I followed the developments more closely). No standardized process till now and the amount raised depends on publicity of the case. Agree, BJP has to do more. PM also must raise it in his speeches, he can't be ungrateful when so much blood is being spilt for his party by ground workers. 

 

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West Bengal: BJP worker shot dead in North 24 Parganas

Chandan Shaw, 24, was shot dead by unidentified assailants last night while he was driving a two-wheeler. Earlier, the convoy of state minister Binay Krishna Burman was also attacked.

 
Another one :((
 

 

 

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She doesnt have the guts outside her dominion... Every time  I see her face  I feel ashamed as a Bengali..She used to play victim under CPIM rule now she's the aggressor and still playing victim. 

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2 hours ago, Gollum said:

BJP worker chanting Jai Shri Ram gets stabbed to death in Bengal's Ketugram

 

Is this India or Afghanistan?

 

Time for President's rule now. 

Actually as a Bong, i'd say PR would be counterproductive now. Yes, these criminals should be prosecuted and brought to justice and these political killings are a huge stain on Bengal and the nation.

However, imposing PR right now gives Jihadididi a foot back in the door - she will have good chance of tapping into the 'Bengal has been historically overlooked and trampled upon politically & socially by India' angle, most of which is true and will undo a lot of hard work the BJP has done in the state. Best would be for BJP to dip into its pockets and provide security guards for the BJP karyakartaas till the next LA elections. Didi will be done. In wrestling terms, the game is almost over - BJP has didi in a chokehold, she cannot break-out and is flailing, hitting the nuts, trying to pull out the opponent's hair etc. but all we got to do, is maintain the choke hold a bit longer and she's done. 

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This thread looks more like shame to the Bengalis with all the negative new.  It should be Respect to the BJP, who as outsiders, have made a BIG dent into the Bengalis and have come as the heroes from their own Bengali thug jihadi didi.  What have the local Bengali leaders done except for regressive society.  Bengal is a waste compared to the other promising states such as Tamil Nadu, Gujarat, Maharashtra. 

 

BJP should make inroads and bring the BJP and Hindi culture into Bengal.  Hindi should gain more importance into Bengal.

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On 5/31/2019 at 8:11 AM, vice said:

This thread looks more like shame to the Bengalis with all the negative new.  It should be Respect to the BJP, who as outsiders, have made a BIG dent into the Bengalis and have come as the heroes from their own Bengali thug jihadi didi.  What have the local Bengali leaders done except for regressive society.  Bengal is a waste compared to the other promising states such as Tamil Nadu, Gujarat, Maharashtra. 

 

BJP should make inroads and bring the BJP and Hindi culture into Bengal.  Hindi should gain more importance into Bengal.

Hindi is already pretty important in Bengal but most of your regressive hindi belt culture is not welcome. we've lead the modern day Indians into a better society for a 150 years, we took a 50 year break but we are going to come back again as the intellectual & spiritual engine of India. 

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53 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Hindi is already pretty important in Bengal but most of your regressive hindi belt culture is not welcome. we've lead the modern day Indians into a better society for a 150 years, we took a 50 year break but we are going to come back again as the intellectual & spiritual engine of India. 

Many Indian states are known for something. Like enterprising people, decent law and order, hard-working ppl, decent civic sense, fast diminishing poverty, hygiene, clean roads, half decent bureaucracy. Can someone who is from Bengal enlighten rest of us about what's great about Bengali society? Are there any pockets in Bengal that are comparable to other performing states? Is there hope those pockets will lead the way and rest of Bengal will one day clean up its act.

 

Indian MSM staffed in the most part by Bengali's has sold only this image of Bengal. Is Bengal still the same? Genuine Inquiry. 

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30 minutes ago, Charlie_ said:

Many Indian states are known for something. Like enterprising people, decent law and order, hard-working ppl, decent civic sense, fast diminishing poverty, hygiene, clean roads, half decent bureaucracy. Can someone who is from Bengal enlighten rest of us about what's great about Bengali society? Are there any pockets in Bengal that are comparable to other performing states? Is there hope those pockets will lead the way and rest of Bengal will one day clean up its act.

 

Indian MSM staffed in the most part by Bengali's has sold only this image of Bengal. Is Bengal still the same? Genuine Inquiry. 

clean roads ? in India ? really ?

:laugh::confused:

 

We are just as hard working as rest of India is, our poverty is also one of the faster diminishing ones in India. And we are defintely not as much into rape culture as the hindi belt is. 

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18 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Hindi is already pretty important in Bengal but most of your regressive hindi belt culture is not welcome. we've lead the modern day Indians into a better society for a 150 years, we took a 50 year break but we are going to come back again as the intellectual & spiritual engine of India. 

Shown the rest of India? Delusional Bengalis.  Is that what they teach in your madrassas there? Hilarious Propaganda

 

All you got was some good timing when your Big Daddy, the British rescued you from the shackles of the Muslims.  The British, along with pillaging the locals for trade, did actually build infrastructure and universities in Bengal from which Bengalis benefited for sure.  Even today, Bengal reeks of its colonial past from trams to cricket grounds built and named by the white men. 

 

Bengalis are the same spineless people who shat themselves and prostated before a dozen muslims.  Probably, one of the most subservient acts in the history of India.  Credit to them though, they did show some fight against the British after they were shunned. Otherwise, Bengalis were busy sucking up to the British for the first century and more.  Bengalis have been the biggest b*tches of the Muslims and British and they say it with pride that they paid the most taxes to their masters the Mughals/Muslims for centuries.  Other places around India fought against the Mughal/outside Muslim forces and actually regained and developed new kingdoms like the Marathas and Sikhs whereas the Bengalis were too busy paying taxes. 

 

After independence, Bengal was probably given the best of infrastructure and educational institutes courtesy the British but Bengalis did zilc once their masters went back.  Whatever little Bengalis accomplished is courtessy their masters the British handing them the educational infrastructure in the form of universities and research academics but Bengalis floundered all that when the light was shown a little away from them.  By themselves they couldn't even lift themselves.  

 

Even now, outsiders in the form the BJP came knocking again to rescue the Bengalis when they fear that their state is being overtaken by the muslims.  Couldn't do anything by themselves.  Jihadi Didi, a fellow Bengali, defines everything that is wrong with the Bengalis. Stuck in the past..waiting for their masters to rescue them once again.

 

Remember just saying  JaiSriRam and you Bengalis lose your marbles.   

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49 minutes ago, vice said:

Shown the rest of India? Delusional Bengalis.  Is that what they teach in your madrassas there? Hilarious Propaganda

we stopped the sick practice of Sati, the Bengal reneissance saw more scientists in India from 1870s-1950s than rest of India put together. We still have the most nobel lauriates and nominees from India. 

49 minutes ago, vice said:

All you got was some good timing when your Big Daddy, the British rescued you from the shackles of the Muslims.  The British, along with pillaging the locals for trade, did actually build infrastructure and universities in Bengal from which Bengalis benefited for sure.  Even today, Bengal reeks of its colonial past from trams to cricket grounds built and named by the white men. 

Err, along with Bihar, we also hosted more universities than rest of India put together and educated you guys from the classical period onwards. 

49 minutes ago, vice said:

Bengalis are the same spineless people who shat themselves and prostated before a dozen muslims.  Probably, one of the most subservient acts in the history of India.

Better to be spineless and submit to superior power than resist like a fool and get killed and raped. At least we didn't get our women and children raped like the stupid Rajputs did. Discretion is the better part of valor, as the saying goes. 

49 minutes ago, vice said:

 Credit to them though, they did show some fight against the British after they were shunned. Otherwise, Bengalis were busy sucking up to the British for the first century and more.  Bengalis have been the biggest b*tches of the Muslims and British and they say it with pride that they paid the most taxes to their masters the Mughals/Muslims for centuries.

We paid the most tax because we were the richest. Mughals charged chauth as tax all over. Those who were richer, paid more. 

49 minutes ago, vice said:

 Other places around India fought against the Mughal/outside Muslim forces and actually regained and developed new kingdoms like the Marathas and Sikhs whereas the Bengalis were too busy paying taxes. 

No, we were too busy being richer than the rest and not caring about politics. Richer the region, less politically inclined or controversial it tends to be, thats a trend in human history. 

49 minutes ago, vice said:

 

After independence, Bengal was probably given the best of infrastructure and educational institutes courtesy the British but Bengalis did zilc once their masters went back.  Whatever little Bengalis accomplished is courtessy their masters the British handing them the educational infrastructure in the form of universities and research academics but Bengalis floundered all that when the light was shown a little away from them.  By themselves they couldn't even lift themselves.  

We regressed because Congress was anti-bengali due to jealousy towards Bose and we were consistently shafted in the infrastructure budgets. At least we were far more self respecting than the spineless hindi-stanis who kept the vile congress going and now pretend, like the nuevo rich, johnny come lately, that they did something 'special'. Never forget you were licking the Gandhi boots while we were busy tossing them away. 

 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

we stopped the sick practice of Sati, the Bengal reneissance saw more scientists in India from 1870s-1950s than rest of India put together. We still have the most nobel lauriates and nominees from India. 

There were numerous factions/regions against Sati well before. A quick google shows In the 16th Century, in the Punjab region, one of the sikh gurus, Guru Amardas preached against the practice of Sati and this anti-sati sentiment continued.  In fact, it was the British that brought in laws to outlaw Sati.

 

Yeah, Bengal had scientists because it was the first regions to be colonized by the British.  Other regions were annexed 100 years later.  And while the scientists from the Bengal region was promising, it was basically due to the infrastructure and research facilities setup by the British who gave opportunities for the locals for research despite pillaging them via trade.

Academic accomplishments?  The Tamils easily wipe the floor with the most Nobel Prize winners and in Math.  All the Bengalis have is a “nobel” prize winners in economics and literature which the purists don’t even count as half a medal.  Even the Punjabis have nobel prize winners than Bengalis.  Tamil and Punjabis are ahead of the Bengalis in the nobel prize winner category.  Overall, Tamils are the undisputed leaders in this.

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Err, along with Bihar, we also hosted more universities than rest of India put together and educated you guys from the classical period onwards. 

Nalanda and Taxila are two prominent and important faculties of education in the history of India and both. First one falls in Bihar and the latter in Punjab.  Let's face it, it was the infrastructure of universities  and research that helped the locals move forward in the sciences during that period.  Considering Bengal was colonized 100 years before the other parts of India, it had a head start.  Like stated earlier, British came as a boon for the Bengalis..otherwise they would have been paying the taxes to their muslim rulers for centuries most likely.

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Better to be spineless and submit to superior power than resist like a fool and get killed and raped. At least we didn't get our women and children raped like the stupid Rajputs did. Discretion is the better part of valor, as the saying goes. 

Prostating before a dozen horsemen isn't quite the tale of being smart but rather cowardice.  Other regions freed themselves from the shackles of the invading Mughals/muslim in due time while the Bengalis were being subservient by paying their taxes and taking pride in that. Valor and bravery is fighting for your rights and injustice. 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

We paid the most tax because we were the richest. Mughals charged chauth as tax all over. Those who were richer, paid more. 

No, we were too busy being richer than the rest and not caring about politics. Richer the region, less politically inclined or controversial it tends to be, thats a trend in human history. 

 

Err no. Paying tax like subservient cowards and being ruled by the invading forces of Mughals/Muslims doesn't make you the 'richest'.  The locals and land was basically setup as nike sweat shops.  The richest were actually the Mughals/muslims who were the Bengali overlords in actuality.  If the government funds more money into a certain area, then of course that area will flourish.  Hardly, anything to do with the ingenuity of the locals.  

 

Haha at too busy being rich.  Bengalis were merely the b*tches of the Mughals/Muslims.  They took the most of the shares compared to the locals.  The zimidar type high taxes also has its origins in  Bengal during the Mughal/Muslim dynasties. And here, some fools are happy with being 'rich' when in fact they were used being used and pillaged.

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16 minutes ago, vice said:

There were numerous factions/regions against Sati well before. A quick google shows In the 16th Century, in the Punjab region, one of the sikh gurus, Guru Amardas preached against the practice of Sati and this anti-sati sentiment continued.  In fact, it was the British that brought in laws to outlaw Sati.

The British brought the laws due to the activism of RRR. Being against it is all fine and dandy, but what matters is who stopped it- and it was RRR who stopped it. 

16 minutes ago, vice said:

 

Yeah, Bengal had scientists because it was the first regions to be colonized by the British.  Other regions were annexed 100 years later.  And while the scientists from the Bengal region was promising, it was basically due to the infrastructure and research facilities setup by the British who gave opportunities for the locals for research despite pillaging them via trade.

What infrastructure and research was set up in Bengal ? most bengali scientists did so on their own research, corresponding with scientists from Europe directly. As for bengal being first, the first rule of Brits in India is Tamil Nadu. They collected the diwani tax for Tanjore and Madurai nayaks, this is specifically how Clive funded his bengal expedition. The Coromandel coast came under Brit influence 20 years after Bengal did. And what scientists emerged from there ?!?

16 minutes ago, vice said:

Academic accomplishments?  The Tamils easily wipe the floor with the most Nobel Prize winners and in Math.  All the Bengalis have is a “nobel” prize winners in economics and literature which the purists don’t even count as half a medal.  Even the Punjabis have nobel prize winners than Bengalis.  Tamil and Punjabis are ahead of the Bengalis in the nobel prize winner category.  Overall, Tamils are the undisputed leaders in this.

The science is largely due to the fact that hardly any colored person won the nobel prior to 1950s, which is the period when Bengal dominated. This is why we still have the most nobel nominations from Indian history. 

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3 minutes ago, vice said:

Err no. Paying tax like subservient cowards and being ruled by the invading forces of Mughals/Muslims doesn't make you the 'richest'.  The locals and land was basically setup as nike sweat shops.  The richest were actually the Mughals/muslims who were the Bengali overlords in actuality.  If the government funds more money into a certain area, then of course that area will flourish.  Hardly, anything to do with the ingenuity of the locals.  

We were the richest because tax info shows so. Mughals collected uniform tax from ALL OVER. Chauth. The provinces who paid more did so because they were richer. This is straightforward math, buddy. And if thats not sufficient, i can quote plenty of Delhi Sultans and Mughal accounts that specifically call Bengal the richest region of the empire. 

 

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12 minutes ago, vice said:

Prostating before a dozen horsemen isn't quite the tale of being smart but rather cowardice.  Other regions freed themselves from the shackles of the invading Mughals/muslim in due time while the Bengalis were being subservient by paying their taxes and taking pride in that. Valor and bravery is fighting for your rights and injustice. 

at least we were not duffers like Prithviraj Chauhan and various others who foolishly got themselves killed and their women and children raped and enslaved, carried off as loot. Valor and bravery means nothing if you lose. As the saying goes, discretion is the better part of valor. We had discretion.Which is why our women were not 'manning' the harems of Ghazni or Bukhara. 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

We regressed because Congress was anti-bengali due to jealousy towards Bose and we were consistently shafted in the infrastructure budgets. At least we were far more self respecting than the spineless hindi-stanis who kept the vile congress going and now pretend, like the nuevo rich, johnny come lately, that they did something 'special'. Never forget you were licking the Gandhi boots while we were busy tossing them away. 

 

So when Bengal is not doing well, the blame goes to the central government.  Otherwise, it's all about singing the laurels of the Bengali people.  Most regions in India complained about being ignored/shafted by the Congress.. what's new in that, you are not alone.  Even today, regions complain about the lack of attention from the government.  The point is that Bengalis regressed at an exponential level despite being given the best of infrastructure via universities, industrial setup, courtesy the British colonization  and previously the Mughal/Muslims.  Both the British and Mughals/muslims invested heavily in the Bengal region to produce high yields.  When the Bengali overlords left, it went into shambles...part of it was the split of Bengal into India/East Pakistan but they still had a complete headstart than all of India, if not most of India.  

 

Bengalis have only themselves to blame with their regressive political ideologies.  Even now, Bengalis needed the help of the outsiders, the BJP, to rescue it from TMC and felt threatened at  the 'increasing Muslim population'/appeasement by Jihadi Didi. 

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So basically, all this delusional talk  Bengalis feeling 'superior' is nothing but nonsense. Other people and regions have done equal if not more.  As of today, the progressive states are Tamil Nadu, Gujarat, Maharashta, Karnataka and even Kerala/Punjab when combining all the various health/living conditions, poverty indices.  Bengal is no where close to these states.  

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So let’s sum up this delusional talk of Bengalis considering to be ‘superior’

 

Sati – denounced  three centuries earlier in another region i.e Punjab while the ‘Bengalis were happy getting rich by paying the most taxes to their Mughal/Muslim masters.

Nobel Prizes – Tamils and Punjabis have more yet Bengalis keep harping about Nobel Prizes.  Tamils have excelled further in Math,etc
 

Bengalis, the earliest to be colonized (by 100 years or so earlier than other regions) by the British and with it getting the infrastructure for research via universities. Sure Bengalis deserve credit for scientific discoveries in this era but a lot due to the foundation laid out by the British.

 

Prominent faculties of education in Indian history include other regions such as Nalanda in Bihar and Taxila in Punjab.

Prostrated cowardly to a dozen men on horses. One of the most cowardice acts in Indian history and this is called ‘smart’ by the resident Bengali. But hey, we the Bengalis paid the most taxes to our masters i.e the Mughals/Muslims and we were content when in fact it’s equivalent to ‘nike sweat shops’ yielding the most GDP.

 

When the British left, Bengalis fell flat on their faces despite having been given a head start via educational and industrial setup.

In summary, delirious talk of somehow being ‘superior’ and ‘shining the light’ on the rest of India while Bengalis were actually inferior and late in many aspects.

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Bengal needs CG's monetary help to prosper and develop , WB needs a pro economic change desperately. It's better if they have BJP government in the state for a while ,enough of hartals and anti social events !

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10 hours ago, vice said:

So basically, all this delusional talk  Bengalis feeling 'superior' is nothing but nonsense. Other people and regions have done equal if not more.  As of today, the progressive states are Tamil Nadu, Gujarat, Maharashta, Karnataka and even Kerala/Punjab when combining all the various health/living conditions, poverty indices.  Bengal is no where close to these states.  

Depends on what time-frame you want to talk about. 1960-present times, you are correct. 1700s- 1960s, Bengal has done more than any other region of India. 

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9 hours ago, vice said:

So let’s sum up this delusional talk of Bengalis considering to be ‘superior’

 

Sati – denounced  three centuries earlier in another region i.e Punjab while the ‘Bengalis were happy getting rich by paying the most taxes to their Mughal/Muslim masters.

Denounced but happened. Nobody cares about denouncing and lip service. It was a Bengali who ACTUALLY GOT IT BANNED AND GOT THE JOB DONE. Thank a Bong that your grannies are not burning at the pyres anymore. 

9 hours ago, vice said:

Nobel Prizes – Tamils and Punjabis have more yet Bengalis keep harping about Nobel Prizes.  Tamils have excelled further in Math,etc
 

LOL.

We have more nobel nominations in Science than any other group as well. Too bad ours came when no non-white ever won a nobel. As for math, the two most prominent mathematicians from India in the last 150 years are Ramanujan and Mohalanobis. 

9 hours ago, vice said:

Bengalis, the earliest to be colonized (by 100 years or so earlier than other regions) by the British and with it getting the infrastructure for research via universities. Sure Bengalis deserve credit for scientific discoveries in this era but a lot due to the foundation laid out by the British.

False. Madras was the first de-facto colony. 

9 hours ago, vice said:

 

Prominent faculties of education in Indian history include other regions such as Nalanda in Bihar and Taxila in Punjab.

You only know of Nalanda and Taxila eh ? There is Mahasthangarh, Paharpur, Vikramshila, Odantipuri and half a dozen others. Bihar lead the way in # of universities, closely followed by Bengal and both these regions individually had more universities in them than rest of India put together. 

9 hours ago, vice said:

Prostrated cowardly to a dozen men on horses. One of the most cowardice acts in Indian history and this is called ‘smart’ by the resident Bengali. But hey, we the Bengalis paid the most taxes to our masters i.e the Mughals/Muslims and we were content when in fact it’s equivalent to ‘nike sweat shops’ yielding the most GDP.

We were still RICHER THAN REST OF INDIA. And as i said, its better to prostate yourself before superior invaders than resist like a fool and get your women raped and children enslaved. Nobody cares about pride and valor if it gets your people killed and raped. 

 

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11 hours ago, vice said:

There were numerous factions/regions against Sati well before. A quick google shows In the 16th Century, in the Punjab region, one of the sikh gurus, Guru Amardas preached against the practice of Sati and this anti-sati sentiment continued.  In fact, it was the British that brought in laws to outlaw Sati.

 

Yeah, Bengal had scientists because it was the first regions to be colonized by the British.  Other regions were annexed 100 years later.  And while the scientists from the Bengal region was promising, it was basically due to the infrastructure and research facilities setup by the British who gave opportunities for the locals for research despite pillaging them via trade.

Academic accomplishments?  The Tamils easily wipe the floor with the most Nobel Prize winners and in Math.  All the Bengalis have is a “nobel” prize winners in economics and literature which the purists don’t even count as half a medal.  Even the Punjabis have nobel prize winners than Bengalis.  Tamil and Punjabis are ahead of the Bengalis in the nobel prize winner category.  Overall, Tamils are the undisputed leaders in this.

Top Post this :hatsoff:& your other posts as well....you tell it like it is...Respect 

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26 minutes ago, Under_Score said:

Top Post this :hatsoff:& your other posts as well....you tell it like it is...Respect 

Too bad your guru amardas just paid lip service to sati and couldn't get the job done and required a Bong to get the job done. 

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8 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Too bad your guru amardas just paid lip service to sati and couldn't get the job done and required a Bong to get the job done. 

I liked the post of @vice and I replied to it. I appreciate good posts...why are you bothered or concerned about my reply to another poster on ICF. I have ZERO respect for you since you are not a credible person.

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@Muloghonto Have to disagree with some of your views like prostrating before invaders (honestly the capitulation to invaders was disgraceful, Lakshmana Sena against 22 horsemen of Bakhtiyar Khilji is the gold standard of cowardice) or Mahalanobis in the same sentence as Ramanujan, gulf is too wide and the real competition for the latter are the Abels, Eulers and Fermats. 

 

However the hate towards Bongs here is :facepalm:all this talk about lack of contribution is so shallow. Aren't they aware of the Bengal renaissance? Satyendranath Bose, Jagdish Chandra Bose may not have won Nobels but does it tarnish their greatness? In a fairer world JC Bose would enjoy the status Marconi enjoys today. If we move to social reforms, contribution towards freedom struggle (unparalleled), economics, culture, religion, literature, philosophy, arts etc no other province/society/community comes close to the Bengal of 18th-20th century. I have many complaints about current era Bengalis and the politics of the state, decline, demographic invasion etc. However there is no denying that the intelligentsia Bengal threw up for a good 200 years (came when we were down in the dumps with no light at the end of the tunnel) has been a beacon of light for all modern age Indians. 

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Have made my thoughts known in another thread, copying the same here. Can't type the same stuff again and again, if people are too thick or hateful, not my problem. 

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I have no bias, just speaking facts. Majority of our world class intelligentsia are from these 2 states...look at our cultural icons, social reformers, intellectuals, poets, writers, religious thinkers, mathematicians, scientists, Nobel laureates, Abel Laureate, chess masters etc, you will find that these 2 states are disproportionately represented, Bengal even more than TN. Read about the Bengal renaissance which awakened Indian society when we were in the dark ages----> in a span of 70-80 years they produced the likes of Raja Ram Mohan Roy, Vidyasagar, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Lalon Fakir, Tagores (father and son and a few other illustrious relatives), Aurobindo, JC Basu, Satyendranath Bose, Kazi Nazrul Islam, Bankim Chandra, Mahalanobis, Keshab Chandra Sen, Bipin Chandra Pal, M.N Roy, Begum Rokeya, Michael Madhusudhan Dutt, Satyajit Ray, Yogananada, Amartya Sen and a 100 others !!!! Which other state has had 100s of such great people born in such a short time, no exaggeration to say that Bengal almost single handedly lifted Indian society from the nadir, gave it direction and inspiration and was the energy behind our freedom struggle. No other group has contributed more to our freedom struggle than this one group (Next time you go to Andaman spend some time in Cellular jail, you will understand). 

 

Similarly Tamil Nadu has contributed heavily in this department, our greatest modern era mathematicians and scientists are from this region. Ramanujam, Raman, Chandrasekhar, Venkatraman, Varadhan (only Asian Abel Laureate, highest maths honour which is a mind boggling feat!!!) and many others. Even the 15th world chess champion and the only one apart from Bobby Fischer who had to break Soviet hegemony to get the crown is from here. In fact look at the chess masters of India and a huge chunk are from TN and Bengal, only recently have Andhra and Maharashtra made significant strides. I rate TN below Bengal because the latter comfortably surpasses the former in the cultural sphere.

 

I am not ignoring contribution of others, I also said both these states are declining. Bengal has exhausted its quota, TN too is showing decadence...so may be in the coming years other states will pick up in this department. But I doubt even if they make progress they can equal Bengal of old. I am very much on record that Punjabis are the backbone of our army and Mumbaikars are our cricket supply chain...does this mean I am ignoring contributions of others? Or if I say Bhiwani is our boxing capital, does it mean I refuse to acknowledge Mary Kom? 

 

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2 hours ago, Under_Score said:

I liked the post of @vice and I replied to it. I appreciate good posts...why are you bothered or concerned about my reply to another poster on ICF. I have ZERO respect for you since you are not a credible person.

says the chump who wants to 'meet people in person to solve out issues' and then refuses being legally on camera for it. Goonda saala.

In anycase, i can respond to whomever i wish, however i wish. Your terrorist supporting a$$ can whine as much as you wish. 

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

@Muloghonto Have to disagree with some of your views like prostrating before invaders (honestly the capitulation to invaders was disgraceful, Lakshmana Sena against 22 horsemen of Bakhtiyar Khilji is the gold standard of cowardice) or Mahalanobis in the same sentence as Ramanujan, gulf is too wide and the real competition for the latter are the Abels, Eulers and Fermats. 

Nobody who know science or math will deny that Ramanujan is one of the greatest mathematicians ever seen by mankind and the clear-cut #1 of modern India ( i say modern India, because Brahmagupta/Bhaskara, at least by their revolutionary works, might've been in the same class too). However, it does not change the fact that Mahalanobis is ALSO one of the top 100 or so mathematicians produced in the last century and has left his indelible mark on mathematics. Just like Ramanujan is the clear-cut gold standard of modern Indian mathematician, Mahalanobis is the clear-cut silver medallist in this 'race'. 

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

However the hate towards Bongs here is :facepalm:all this talk about lack of contribution is so shallow. Aren't they aware of the Bengal renaissance? Satyendranath Bose, Jagdish Chandra Bose may not have won Nobels but does it tarnish their greatness? In a fairer world JC Bose would enjoy the status Marconi enjoys today. If we move to social reforms, contribution towards freedom struggle (unparalleled), economics, culture, religion, literature, philosophy, arts etc no other province/society/community comes close to the Bengal of 18th-20th century. I have many complaints about current era Bengalis and the politics of the state, decline, demographic invasion etc. However there is no denying that the intelligentsia Bengal threw up for a good 200 years (came when we were down in the dumps with no light at the end of the tunnel) has been a beacon of light for all modern age Indians. 

Let these bewakoofs expose their bewakoofi. Punjabi, Tamil etc. nobels in science have come only after 1960. Prior to that, ALL nobels are won by white people and that too, 99.9% cases by white males who beat out a lot of deserving white females just due to the reeti-rewaaj in the pre-60s era. 


If the likes of JC Bose & S Bose were 50 years younger, they'd have been shoo-ins for nobels, having co-discovered the wireless transmitter and correcting TSR of Einstien. 

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