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8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

No one doubted him. But to call him better than Bumrah is basically waste of discussion.

 

Bumrah and Starc are on par at same level. What Starc did today, Bumrah has been doing regularly too. 

 

 

 

How many wickets has Bumrah taken this WC. Starc hasn't done this just this game. He has 18 wickets now. Bumrah 7 or 8.

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Just now, rkt.india said:

Bumrah is still a notch below Starc.

2 notches below MS.

8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

No one doubted him. But to call him better than Bumrah is basically waste of discussion.

 

Bumrah and Starc are on par at same level. What Starc did today, Bumrah has been doing regularly too. 

What are you talking about, JB has no record to speak of in WC atm. Starc is better than Mcgrath, Bond & Garner! He ended NZ WC in one over with the wicket of BMac & nearly won them an improbably game in NZ with his fast lightning bolt in-swingers, defending just 150 odd.

 

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2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

How many wickets has Bumrah taken this WC. Starc hasn't done this just this game. He has 18 wickets now. Bumrah 7 or 8.

Doesn't matter. Wickets doesn't always paint full picture. Bumrah has bowled as well and done consistently. Wicket columns are overrated these days. Like Behrendoff has more wickets today than Starc, doesn't mean he bowled better than Starc.

 

Shami they other day came up and cleaned up the last three, does he become better than Bumrah overall? 

 

You have to see how many times Bumrah has changed the game when he has been brought back. That Afghanistan game would have been lost if not for the double strike of Bumrah in his comeback spell. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

2 notches below MS.

What are you talking about, JB has no record to speak of in WC atm. Starc is better than Mcgrath, Bond & Garner! He ended NZ WC in one over with the wicket of BMac & nearly won them an improbably game in NZ with his fast lightning bolt in-swingers, defending just 150 odd.

 

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Well this is Bumrahs first World Cup. We are talking about overall performance and overall Bumrah is good as Starc in terms of bowling and consistency. Nothing to take away from Starc who has performed consistently over two World Cup. 

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11 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

A bowling line up with Starc, Bumrah and Archer would be legendary

Even better:

 

Roberts, Holding, Croft, Garner

 

Then Roberts, Holding, Garner, Marshall

 

Later became Marshall, Holding, Bishop, Walsh with Ambrose knocking the door. 

 

Early 90s had Ambrose, Bishop, Walsh, Patterson...last one being the most menacing of them all (words of stalwarts like Gooch, Crowe, Border) and a gun ODI quick. 

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1 minute ago, sergio04 said:

Bumrah is a run stopping bowler and gets his most of wickets in death over

While Mitchell starc is a genuine wicket taker bowler.

Back to back 2 great wc.

 

We played him extremely well and he bowls bad balls under pressure. Just don’t give him early wickets. Runs don’t matter initially. He was hammered by Kohli and Dhoni in the death overs. 

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4 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Doesn't matter. Wickets doesn't always paint full picture. Bumrah has bowled as well and done consistently. Wicket columns are overrated these days. Like Behrendoff has more wickets today than Starc, doesn't mean he bowled better than Starc.

 

Shami they other day came up and cleaned up the last three, does he become better than Bumrah overall? 

 

You have to see how many times Bumrah has changed the game when he has been brought back. That Afghanistan game would have been lost if not for the double strike of Bumrah in his comeback spell. 

 

 

He bowled 7 good yorkers..7 in that match. Without those yorkers, Afghanistan would have gotten over the line. He bowls yorkers at will. Starc just bowled one. 

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17 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

No one doubted him. But to call him better than Bumrah is basically waste of discussion.

 

Bumrah and Starc are on par at same level. What Starc did today, Bumrah has been doing regularly too. 

 

And what Starc did in 2015 WC, Bumrah hasn't come close and might never. Bumrah is indeed a great bowler but Starc will be in contention for being the greatest ODI fast bowler of all time alongside Garner, McGrath, Akram etc. 

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4 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Well this is Bumrahs first World Cup. We are talking about overall performance and overall Bumrah is good as Starc in terms of bowling and consistency. Nothing to take away from Starc who has performed consistently over two World Cup. 

You said Bumrah done it as well, which isn't true so far as the WC is concerned & as for his first WC - Starc was MoS last time. I doubt Bumrah can replicate that.

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Best ODI bowler ever. Does not play useless ODIs else could well have been at 300+ ODI wickets by now.

 

Has bowled Aus to a win vs Pak, WI and now Eng nearly on his own in this WC. His WC record already makes him the best ever performer across all world cups.

 

Bumrah IMO is at par with him.Does not pick as many wickets because our other bowlers are picking wickets from the other end.

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For me Starc is speed demon of this age,just has an aura around him which slightly differentiates him from Bumrah(Bumrah two has an aura which greats of this game have)who himself is the Emperor among other speed merchants

But i think ,left armers do have that deception element with them ,which let them score above regular pacers,this is my look

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12 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

For me Starc is speed demon of this age,just has an aura around him which slightly differentiates him from Bumrah(Bumrah two has an aura which greats of this game have)who himself is the Emperor among other speed merchants

But i think ,left armers do have that deception element with them ,which let them score above regular pacers,this is my look

Good only for LOIs though, in test cricket he isn't that consistent.

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4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Starc has effectively played 3 more matches than Bumrah so far.

it is not just about number of matches.  Starc averages 18, BUmrah 26, Starc SR 20, Bumrah 32.  Bumrah has not done bad, Starc is a notch above.

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it is not just about number of matches.  Starc averages 18, BUmrah 26, Starc SR 20, Bumrah 32.  Bumrah has not done bad, Starc is a notch above.
Starc has already played against Bangladesh,Afg,Wi,Srilanka which are weaker teams.Lets wait for group stages to be over.

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Had said before the WC,Starc will win them lots of matches,once he gets to full fitness.It kind of surprised me,how easily everyone was writing him off. How the heck did Tony almost managed to smack him outta the ground is even more baffling .

Starc is having more success compared to Bumrah this WC. But Bumrah can get more wickets against easier teams in the remaining matches.

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It's not just about the wickets, when the bowl swings this Oz attack will demolish teams quickly! Pound for pound I'd argue this attack is even better than the one they fielded in 2015, albeit in much better batting conditions. Their batting however is weaker with no Watson or Faulkner, which frankly made that (batting) lineup nearly untameable.

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