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4 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Not as huuuuge. He can duck well directed bouncers in ODIs and tests.

yes if he can do that.  He will have to learn to duck unlike Raina who struggled to do that.

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10 hours ago, Pandya_Power said:

 

 

Agreed! Glaring problem with short balls. And also is an inferior shot maker compared to Pant and Pandya. The lesser said about his bowling, the better.

 

Don't think we have anyone better than Jadeja for the role atm. Krunal, Axar and Sundar are all inferior options atm.

Jadeja is our 2nd spinner man.  Krunal is a ugly hack.  Pandya is good enough for his quick 20's 30's.  Pant is our best WK option available.  That Jadhav spot is open too & that's where Rana can be slotted in. We r talking about LO here..  Even Agarwal Vihari have short ball problems. If groomed well he can be our Eoin Morgan type of lefty player. 

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4 minutes ago, nsareen said:

Slightly getting deviated the discussion. Please come back to the thread..


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gill has been batting consistently as always. however, I wish he was played in middle order to give him more exposure. if everyone learns to bat only at 1-3, then we will have same lack of middle order bats by next WC. by 2023 WC, I am expecting VK to move to #4 and play more of a consolidator dravid-type of role (while still scoring at brisk SR). gill should be our no. 3 then. or swap the positions if kohli's form is still good.

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Avesh has looked good.  Hopefully, these 3 Khaleel, Avesh, and Saini can make it to WI tour ODIs and likes of Bumrah and Shami are rested to play tests. Despite being rookies, these guys wont be easy to get away for WI batsmen.

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At what stage will our TM say enough for Bhuvneshwar Kumar in LOIs? Startling stat was he did not pick a single wicket with the new ball in the entire WC, not one. On that stat alone he should be fired from the team but then Kohli, like his favorite captain Dhoni, prefers 'control' in ODIs.

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19 hours ago, urnotserious said:

LOL. I get your sarcasm but Saini is different than any and all fast bowlers that we've had. He is about 10 km/h faster than any you've mentioned. Consistently. 

 

If there was ever a case for a bowler to be fast tracked in India, this is it. 

Unfortunately, it is too late any more to say he is being "fast tracked."  He should've been in the squad (if not 11) at least a year ago.  Khair ... better late than never.  

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On 7/17/2019 at 11:13 PM, Vijy said:

shows how poor WI structure is that they collapsed to krunal of all people.

They gave a gutless performance. Really poor from West Indies. They just threw it away without giving a damn..

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Sundar got spanked today.  So did Khaleel and Avesh.  

 

This Gaekwad kid just got pinged on the head with a bouncer.  Looks good if its not short though.  I want to see Anmol bat.

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4 batsmen, a keeper and 5 bowlers today, plus Krunal.  And chasing 299 with an opener runout already.  

 

Good.  A bit of pressure and let's see how the likes of Ishan Kishan and Krunal perform.  I just hope the Windies A don't let Vihari put up a soft big score today.  Vihari is not a white ball cricketer.  

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1 hour ago, Sandeep99 said:

I guess those two are confirmed for the tour then... chalo some good news then 

Not sure about that.

They are rotating openers. Gaekwad didn't play last match and Gill is not playing today.

Shreyas got hit on the thumb while batting in the last match. Not sure if it  is the reason for his exclusion.

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28 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Sundar got spanked today.  So did Khaleel and Avesh.  

 

This Gaekwad kid just got pinged on the head with a bouncer.  Looks good if its not short though.  I want to see Anmol bat.

Saini was also quite expensive. At least Khaleel and Avesh picked up some wkts here and there. All in all, not a good outing for the pacers.

 

Axar was his usual "steady" self, whereas Krunal bowled quite well I thought. This Sundar experiment needs to stop immediately IMO. throughout his junior career, he was either a batsman who bowls a bit or a batting AR at most. it is ridiculous to convert him into a bowling AR at this stage. Selectors and Dravid should be looking to encourage him as a top 6 bat and develop his bowling as a secondary skill.

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4 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Saini was also quite expensive. At least Khaleel and Avesh picked up some wkts here and there. All in all, not a good outing for the pacers.

 

Axar was his usual "steady" self, whereas Krunal bowled quite well I thought. This Sundar experiment needs to stop immediately IMO. throughout his junior career, he was either a batsman who bowls a bit or a batting AR at most. it is ridiculous to convert him into a bowling AR at this stage. Selectors and Dravid should be looking to encourage him as a top 6 bat and develop his bowling as a secondary skill.

Disagree a bit on Sundar.  He's going to have a much more viable career, and add a lot more value to the Indian team, if he can improve as a bowler.  If his bowling is going to plateau eventually, there will still be plenty of time for him to pull a "vihari".    

 

Krunal seems to be turning into a Indian version of Imad Wasim, I've been disappointed with some of his batting.  Let's see how he goes today.  

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10 minutes ago, kaptaan said:

Not sure about that.

They are rotating openers. Gaekwad didn't play last match and Gill is not playing today.

Shreyas got hit on the thumb while batting in the last match. Not sure if it  is the reason for his exclusion.

Not impressed with Gaekwad.  More Dinesh Mongia than anything else.  

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Krunal looks focused on playing a big one and not throwing it away.  Ready to play out dot balls, which is not his preferred batting method.  A big score here wouldn't hurt his chances.

 

Vihari playing out a 2nd maiden.  Like him as a test prospect, but why is he playing ODIs here.  

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4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Disagree a bit on Sundar.  He's going to have a much more viable career, and add a lot more value to the Indian team, if he can improve as a bowler.  If his bowling is going to plateau eventually, there will still be plenty of time for him to pull a "vihari".    

 

Krunal seems to be turning into a Indian version of Imad Wasim, I've been disappointed with some of his batting.  Let's see how he goes today.  

Problem with Sundar's bowling is that it's highly 1D at least as far as I've seen. Makes Jaddu's ODI bowling look like Murali in comparison. Sundar is a decent bowler in T20s because he understands his limitations and focuses solely on run containment (which can net him wkts). In ODIs, where singles and the odd boundary are the norm, he is easily milked for some runs and utterly fails to take wkts (as seen from his List A record).

 

I reckon that he could become an AR but there are stumbling blocks in both formats. In T20s, his bowling is alright but his batting currently lacks that extra gear partly due to lack of practice, some issues with scoring against pacers, etc. In 50 over matches, neither his batting nor bowling is sufficiently well developed.

 

I know Imad Wasim is a limited cricketer, but there are plenty of players who have done even more badly than he has. If Krunal can achieve more than Imad Wasim and become a utility cricketer, it will at least be a good beginning: he can be in the mix for the spin-bowling AR spot. However, my preference is for players who can hold down at least one discipline properly: like Gopal.

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10 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Problem with Sundar's bowling is that it's highly 1D at least as far as I've seen. Makes Jaddu's ODI bowling look like Murali in comparison. Sundar is a decent bowler in T20s because he understands his limitations and focuses solely on run containment (which can net him wkts). In ODIs, where singles and the odd boundary are the norm, he is easily milked for some runs and utterly fails to take wkts (as seen from his List A record).

 

I reckon that he could become an AR but there are stumbling blocks in both formats. In T20s, his bowling is alright but his batting currently lacks that extra gear partly due to lack of practice, some issues with scoring against pacers, etc. In 50 over matches, neither his batting nor bowling is sufficiently well developed.

 

And that's what A tours are for.  To develop and identify areas of improvement.  Hardik Pandya realized on an 'A' tour to Australia, that he could bat at a high level.

 

Not saying Sundar will continue to improve as a bowler.  But given the right guidance, he might.  

 

Let's not be quick to pigeonhole players based on watching them a handful of times - especially the younger ones.  Anybody who plays the game will keep evolving as a player, even regressing at times - its part of the sport.  

 

Sundar is more likely to make it to the Indian team and contribute, as a bowler who can bowl a full quota in ODIs.  Not as a specialist batsman.  If eventually he turns into a Raina/yuvi type guy who bowls a handful of overs thats fine - that is no reason to give up on his bowling - all the more reason to try and maximize his bowling capacities by giving him ample opportunities and testing him at the A tour level.

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2nd and 3rd matches were at North Sound pitch,which is quick with higher bounce.Moreover,there was grass on surface therefore ball was also seaming.Bangladesh was all out for 43 on the same surface in test.In 2017,Kohli was unable to score single fifty in 2 ODIs played there.

4th and 5th matches are on Coolidge pitch,which is more like Indian pitch-slow with lower bounce.

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13 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Sh1tty umpiring, a clear wide not given.

Gill was wrongly given lbw in 2nd match- ball was leaving leg stump as keeper collected  the ball down the leg.Moreover, it struck near knee hight on a high bounce pitch.

Similarly a WI batsmen was also given lbw on a ball clearly missing the leg stump.

 

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