Rishabh Pant is too hackish to succeed consistently at this level.

[mishra]

10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Its not hackish....he plays a high risk game so its difficult to be consistent. Sehwag was also not consistent in ODI's 

Who you are comparing him with. Despite all this hand eye co-ordination theory, Sehwag was stroke player. He middled the ball on sweet spot. Pant gets his run with 270 degree bat swing. Its not a stroke. Ball hist somewhere on bat and lands in no mans zone. People need to understand this basic difference. A new ball will move a little, and will come a little quicker.

 

Try Pant on a simple bouncy track with even with old ball. All his shots will go in air behind stumps line

Edited July 1, 2019 by mishra

[rtmohanlal]

20 minutes ago, mishra said:

Bhai, i can imagine , a brand new ball, good length will nip in or out, touch his gloves, or take the edge for caught behind.

 

In best case he will be caught at point with ball coming quicker then expected or his hoick will go to midwicket instead of square leg boundry.

his  almost 50 avg:  in tests with 2 100s  in SENA as of now   prompts me to feel otherwise

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, mishra said:

Who you are comparing him with. Despite all this hand eye co-ordination theory, Sehwag was stroke player. He middled the ball on sweet spot. Pant gets his run with 270 degree bat swing. Its not a stroke. Ball hist somewhere on bat and lands in no mans zone. People need to understand this basic difference. A new ball will move a little, and will come a little quicker.

 

Try Pant on a simple bouncy track with old ball. All his shots will go in air behind stumps line

Thats becoz pant has started playing in an era where batsman are innovating and sehwag played in diff era.....at that time upper cut was an innovation which he learned from Tendulkar . Comparison is becoz both play high risk game 

[ViruDilSeKhelo]

1 minute ago, rtmohanlal said:

Kusal's str:  of 92 is actually adequate of an ODI opener. It is his avg: of 32 that is not that adequate.  But the differences here is that  in Pan't case , we have proper high qlty batsmen to follow  who can make use of the starts Pant can provide while SL  is not that good in that regard. More over, apart from that SAF performance  off late, Kusal's test  credentials are not adequate of a proper batsman while Pant avg:s close to 50 with 2 100s in SENA . That means Pant in general has got a higher ceiling when compared to Kusal.

Pant too has age on his side , so it is worth a try  taking enough time & patience.

Hey bro I was just joking when I said they both bad in a similar fashion to Sanath, I didn't compare performances just style. Pant is leagues ahead as a test player than Kusal, just needs to make it as an ODI player, I think he can. Pant reminds me off Sehwag, some very attacking players are better at tests actually than ODI. 

[rkt.india]

14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Its not hackish....he plays a high risk game so its difficult to be consistent. Sehwag was also not consistent in ODI's 

Also when pant-pandya was the only partnership when it looked like we had a chance. Had Pant stayed a bit longer with pandya, story could have been different. That shot was on for Pant.

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

Kusal's str:  of 92 is actually adequate of an ODI opener. It is his avg: of 32 that is not that adequate.  But the differences here is that  in Pan't case , we have proper high qlty batsmen to follow  who can make use of the starts Pant can provide while SL  is not that good in that regard. More over, apart from that SAF performance  off late, Kusal's test  credentials are not adequate of a proper batsman while Pant avg:s close to 50 with 2 100s in SENA . That means Pant in general has got a higher ceiling when compared to Kusal.

Pant too has age on his side , so it is worth a try  taking enough time & patience.

Jayasuriya also averaged 31.

[rkt.india]

10 minutes ago, mishra said:

Who you are comparing him with. Despite all this hand eye co-ordination theory, Sehwag was stroke player. He middled the ball on sweet spot. Pant gets his run with 270 degree bat swing. Its not a stroke. Ball hist somewhere on bat and lands in no mans zone. People need to understand this basic difference. A new ball will move a little, and will come a little quicker.

 

Try Pant on a simple bouncy track with even with old ball. All his shots will go in air behind stumps line

The basic difference is Sehwag was a backdoor player. Pant is frontfoot bottom hand dominated player.  Sehwag used to play more ground shots in comparison to Pant. Sehwag had not even made his debut at Paint's age. 

Edited July 1, 2019 by rkt.india

[kaptaan]

He batted well for someone who is playing his first WC game that too in a high pressure run chase. Hopefully he gets chance to bat against BD and Lanka

[mishra]

10 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

his  almost 50 avg:  in tests with 2 100s  in SENA as of now   prompts me to feel otherwise

Yes, Nothing wrong with them two 100s. But taking 9 games as basis while ignoring glaring technical issue is not right.

 

we have better bats than Pant. We need to groom them. 

I want Pant to replace MSD and MSD only. Replacing a allrounder or another bat is nothing but brainfart Pakistani like selection 

[mishra]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

The basic difference is Sehwag was a backdoor player. Pant is frontfoot bottom hand dominated player.  Sehwag used to play more ground shots in comparison to Pant. Sehwag had not even made his debut at Paint's age. 

Now, that bottom hand gets ball in air all the time. Sehwag could play ground shots and still score at a brisk SR.

Pant can not play ground strokes and maintain healthy S/R. Simply relying on one bounce 4 or a six will never make you reliable batsman. 

[rtmohanlal]

47 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Jayasuriya also averaged 31.

but Jayasurya av:ged  31 when  40 was the general criteria for greatness where as now a days 50 is the equivalent. Take Dhawan , he avg:s almost 45 with 94 str: . Kusal lags by almost 13 in avg: from Dhawan. On the other hand Lara  had 40.5 & 79.5. Sanath  lagged by  almost 9.5 in avg: , but made up a lot  with almost 12.5 lead  in str:. This  is where some one like Kusal lags  from which is  required of a top opener.

[Vijy]

Just now, rtmohanlal said:

but Jayasurya av:ged  31 when  40 was the general criteria for greatness where as now a days 50 is the equivalent. Take Dhawan , he avg:s almost 45 with 94 str: . Kusal lags by almost 13 in avg: from Dhawan. On the other hand Lara  had 40.5 & 79.5. Sanath  lagged by  almost 9.5 in avg: , but made up a lot  with almost 12.5 lead  in str:. This  is where some one like Kusal lags  from which is  required of a top opener.

although, to be fair, lara had both a very high avg and good SR as opener. he was a far better opener than jayasuria in my book.

[rtmohanlal]

6 minutes ago, Vijy said:

although, to be fair, lara had both a very high avg and good SR as opener. he was a far better opener than jayasuria in my book.

not comparing  Lara with Sanath , because Lara was comfortably better. Was comparing Lara-Sanath case with Dhawan-Kusal. the gap in 2nd case is far larger when compared to  what was 'between Lara & Sanath'

Edited July 1, 2019 by rtmohanlal

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, rtmohanlal said:

not comparing  Lara with Sanath , because Lara was comfortably better. Was comparing Lara-Sanath case with Dhawan-Kusal.

ah, got it. kusal needs to up his SR though to compensate for lower avg.

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

Yes, Nothing wrong with them two 100s. But taking 9 games as basis while ignoring glaring technical issue is not right.

 

we have better bats than Pant. We need to groom them. 

I want Pant to replace MSD and MSD only. Replacing a allrounder or another bat is nothing but brainfart Pakistani like selection 

definitely for keeper slot only .. to extract that  '2 dimensional efficiency' from, there is no better player in the domestic now as Pant. 

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

Yes, Nothing wrong with them two 100s. But taking 9 games as basis while ignoring glaring technical issue is not right.

 

we have better bats than Pant. We need to groom them. 

I want Pant to replace MSD and MSD only. Replacing a allrounder or another bat is nothing but brainfart Pakistani like selection 

We do see him replacing msd ,no one is saying he should be coming into the lineup as a specialist bat in the longer run

[Sachinism]

9 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Only Indian keeper with a Test 100 in Eng and Aus. Give him his keeping gloves in LOIs and he will flourish like he did in Tests. Any young keeper batsman will struggle if asked to play as a specialist batsman.

I'm sure he will, but the shot selection is extremely poor. He plays low-percentage cricket at the moment. Where the risk is extremely high, with little reward.

It's the same I've said about others who've come in and got our recklessly, such as Rahane on his test debut. Rohit too on his test opportunities. A cricketer usually playing low percentage cricketer is due to not being confident

[ShoonyaSifar]

4 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

I'm sure he will, but the shot selection is extremely poor. He plays low-percentage cricket at the moment. Where the risk is extremely high, with little reward.

It's the same I've said about others who've come in and got our recklessly, such as Rahane on his test debut. Rohit too on his test opportunities. A cricketer usually playing low percentage cricketer is due to not being confident

And only thing that will make him feel less confident than he is in when playing Tests is due to a 38 yr old over the hill senior and an almost sycophantic team management being in complete denial. Energy that this team leadership has spent defending Dhoni's abysmal failures in last 2-3 years could very well have helped them groom a young dashing keeper batsman into a proper match winner across formats.

 

Pant literally carried DC to IPL knockouts on his own. Not to say IPL success alone shows great temperament, but  coupled with his Test success and LOI success for India A, it does show Pant can do well in tough situations. Upto the team management how best to harness if only they started thinking beyond their beloved senior.

[putrevus]

Raina had a ability to go for his shots from ball one, I have not seen any Indian batsmen who could do that barring Viru.Other than his short pitch bowling defiencieny, he could play shots allaround the park and had uncanny ability to hit balls in weird places.I have not seen that ability from Pant, he has played enough international cricket.

 

He looked lost yesterday.It is also coaching staff and captain's fault for not giving him proper role.

[CG]

Pant has to be used as a finisher with Pandya .I would open with Mayank with Rahul at no 4 and Dhoni at 5 .