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Pant has ability to win the game on his own.. but worryingly he also has capability to lose the match on his own wrt to his brainless hoicking.. but one thing is for sure he is batting one or two place ahead of his most appropriate position.. ideally he should bat at 5 or 6 complimenting pandya in death overs.. with no proper 4 batsman in team, pant needs to carry a saner head over his shoulder.. the way he gets out leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.

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On 6/30/2019 at 10:32 PM, the don said:

Probably the third time i have watched him bat and every single time i have seen him play a slog a ball for barely a 100 strike rate.
Very un-indian batsman in that he is certainly not easy on the eyes and just makes hitting look difficult as opposed to effortless.
Just my opinion. Thoughts ?

Thought he'd need to work on his batting for limited overs cricket the first couple of times i saw him. 

The hackish approach will seldom work in International limited overs cricket. 

He's pretty young though. 

 

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I agree with you but 100 on dead oval pitch without pressure is not something to belittle Dhoni on. Dhoni batted with maturity in test cricket especially abroad, shepherding the tail. When our entire team was collapsing to swing in England, Mahi was making 50s with his home made approach. He also had 90s, one was at Lord's when rain came into the equation and India 9 down. That 224 at Chennai by Dhoni remains one of the best innings by an India wicket keeper. Dhoni allowed himself the freedom there he had shown in ODI cricket - one of the best ever finishers whether you need to attack or defend. 
 
Pant has a long way to go but is promising, you can't compare them in tests yet let alone ODIs.
What about the hundred made in SCG ?

If oval pitch was flat then what about the pitch which dhoni got 224??

While pant got that century batting against likes of Starc, cummins and Hazlewood ...dhoni has to get all those runs against kreza ....

Dhoni never got a hundred outside subcontinent in his long career.....that talks about his test batting....

Yes...may be in patches...he would have batted better....like you said in that England tour .....but this happens with everyone....

I remember, Bhuvi got lots of runs in a series in England ..... Ashwin got lots of runs in a series against Australia...

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Pant needs to spend some time away from the team, playing domestic here and abroad like county. The good think about him is that he doesn't really have a technical deficiency or else he would have been exposed in the away test matches already where he has succeeded beyond expectations.  

What is troubling him though is his shot selection and/or execution, seldom due to the bowlers does he get out. This is bringing in added criticism and forcing him to try that extra bit harder , either hit too hard or play with doubt in his mind.

Some time away, just far from the focus will be better for the lad. With a little bit more self belief he can then be back. Like Mayank, he has the ability to force a hopefully better team management to action. He is young and has enough time on his hands . In the meantime, we can try the rest of the guys to see if they are ready. It's a win win for all.

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On 12/12/2019 at 5:03 PM, gakgupta said:

What about the hundred made in SCG ?

If oval pitch was flat then what about the pitch which dhoni got 224??

While pant got that century batting against likes of Starc, cummins and Hazlewood ...dhoni has to get all those runs against kreza ....

Dhoni never got a hundred outside subcontinent in his long career.....that talks about his test batting....

Yes...may be in patches...he would have batted better....like you said in that England tour .....but this happens with everyone....

I remember, Bhuvi got lots of runs in a series in England ..... Ashwin got lots of runs in a series against Australia...

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Same match Sachin couldn't even get 100 lol :gossip:  

 

Pant played on biggest patta of all and It was a dead rubber 2nd innings in England lol

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2 hours ago, New guy said:

Played at his best place at no.5 and played a good innings today 

Could have scored a hundred, missed an excellent chance. But he controlled his impulses and left the wide of off stump balls throughout his innings to score at run a ball without appearing to try too hard. Hope he gets a century or two in the remaining games. 

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On 12/18/2019 at 9:05 PM, ShoonyaSifar said:

The guy averages 50+ in FC cricket. Just because he struggled initially in LOIs, let’s not insult him by comparing with that manchild Afridi.

Afridi ever got a test hundred in australia or england??

 

Pls stop this abysmal comparison.

 

This guy is special.....

 

He is a "Match Winner" material 

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52 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

That backfoot punch on the up on a slower ball for four probably the best shot of the game.

The critical thing in that shot was the pause where he could make out the change of pace and kept the ball down. Again it shows no need to throw everything at the ball & loose

 all balance. Guy can punch enough force even if he delays his shot a bit.

 

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6 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

The critical thing in that shot was the pause where he could make out the change of pace and kept the ball down. Again it shows no need to throw everything at the ball & loose

 all balance. Guy can punch enough force even if he delays his shot a bit.

 

He is young and he has more power than most youngsters but he thinks he has to put everything to hit big shots and that at times becomes his downfall.

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5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

He is young and he has more power than most youngsters but he thinks he has to put everything to hit big shots and that at times becomes his downfall.

      Yes.

      Last 2 games for the first time , i am pleased about the way he played . Hope he just carries on same path . The moment he starts looking to hit more boundaries rather than aiming sixes every ball , he will become consistent , more balanced as he will pack a punch at the last minute  after deciding where to hit and also making out any change of pace.

       Further

        1)  Should stay deep in the crease esp. later part of the innings and prepare for the slower balls  . Most bowlers now use change of pace to get him out bowling good length or little short of good length and balls going away from him and he is trying to hit them down the ground or long off  in the air and holing out in off side trap.    Counter this with strokes from the back foot -> slash towards point , deft cuts to fine third man , punch drive to cover /extra cover. Once he starts playing these shots bowlers will struggle as to how to bowl to him.

        2)  Next plan from bowlers would  be again to make him hoick to leg and get caught . He should develop swat slog keeping the ball down in the  arc between wide long on to mid wicket .

            I will be very happy even if he clones some of the shots Pooran plays . The shots he plays towards long on to mid wickets with powerful swats keeping the ball down are the one i would like him to copy .    

           Once he remembers there is off side too and the boundaries also give 4 runs which is just 2 runs less than 6 ,  he will be alright , MIGHTY  alright .

       

   

             

 

       

 

    

       

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He had a good series, performed in 2 out of 3 games. People should not have unrealistic expectations, he is work in progress and not that earth shattering a talent as many think he is. He is finding a way to be successful in middle order. He has to keep evolving and learn from his mistakes. He threw away his wicket in 1st game when he was set. He must have seen Pollard today, how he remained till the end and created havoc. Pant also has to learn the smartness from people around him. In the upcoming series' it would great if he and Iyer come across more challenges like today.

Secondly, his keeping was not up to the mark this series, he needs improvement in that aspect.

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42 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I supported this guy but he is looking more and more like a hack than proper batsman.Compare it with Pooran who has not played that many matches himself .Pooran looks like class batsman. You can give chances but players have to earn them too.Pant has not earned more matches.

Kohli got out to the same ball with same shot so is he a hack too? I will repeat this again where other countries wrap their young talent in cotton wool and protect them, india has vultures who keep targeting youngsters 

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21 hours ago, New guy said:

Kohli got out to the same ball with same shot so is he a hack too? I will repeat this again where other countries wrap their young talent in cotton wool and protect them, india has vultures who keep targeting youngsters 

No they don't wrap anyone in cotton wool anymore than what India is doing with Pant.Pant has been given longer rope in odis and t20s. Anyone who is not seeing his lack of ability to play all around the wicket is blind.Pointing out weaknesses is not targetting.Guy like Kohli had endure all the criticism even after establishing himself all over the world after England 2014 failures.

 

Aussies sat down guys like Starc and Pattinson.They kicked out promising  youngster like Renshaw based on domestic form while we have kept on giving chances to youngsters like Rahul and Pant.

 

Like many youngsters coming up Pant has to evolve too.He is still getting chances in both shorter formats.

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14 hours ago, putrevus said:

No they don't wrap anyone in cotton wool anymore than what India is doing with Pant.Pant has been given longer rope in odis and t20s. Anyone who is not seeing his lack of ability to play all around the wicket is blind.Pointing out weaknesses is not targetting.Guy like Kohli had endure all the criticism even after establishing himself all over the world after England 2014 failures.

 

Aussies sat down guys like Starc and Pattinson.They kicked out promising  youngster like Renshaw based on domestic form while we have kept on giving chances to youngsters like Rahul and Pant.

 

Like many youngsters coming up Pant has to evolve too.He is still getting chances in both shorter formats.

Another thing to note is how the opposition is bowling to him. That shows his weaknesses. Good length balls outside off with the right hand bowler creating an angle. Also the field placements was perfect in the last match. Fielders crowded in the inner circle from point and behind the wicket to prevent the cut shot and any single attempts with short cover. They also had deep fine leg for the reverse sweep and fielders deep on the on side. All credit goes to Pollard and his team management :hatsoff: Pant knows what they are doing and still not able to get away. He was trying to lift the ball over the cover fielders. He got a boundary and perished the next time he played the shot. He has to learn how to fix his weaknesses. Also when he is trying to figure out how to beat that cover fielder, the bowler may pull a fast one straight on the stumps to get him bowled. He was out once like that

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On 12/24/2019 at 12:46 AM, Real McCoy said:

Another thing to note is how the opposition is bowling to him. That shows his weaknesses. Good length balls outside off with the right hand bowler creating an angle. Also the field placements was perfect in the last match. Fielders crowded in the inner circle from point and behind the wicket to prevent the cut shot and any single attempts with short cover. They also had deep fine leg for the reverse sweep and fielders deep on the on side. All credit goes to Pollard and his team management :hatsoff: Pant knows what they are doing and still not able to get away. He was trying to lift the ball over the cover fielders. He got a boundary and perished the next time he played the shot. He has to learn how to fix his weaknesses. Also when he is trying to figure out how to beat that cover fielder, the bowler may pull a fast one straight on the stumps to get him bowled. He was out once like that

No one is saying not to give him chances but he also has to use those chances too.Why is he always in such a rush, his first aim is play 25 balls in odis .That composure comes naturally for some players like Dhoni and for some it take years.What is still unknown is his ability to rotate strike.

 

All his knocks in IPL came as an opener.Scoring in IPL as an opener is lot easier than scoring in middle order in odis.Is he more suited for an opening role ?These are unknown things about him and he is not helping his cause by getting out early.

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4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No one is saying not to give him chances but he also has to use those chances too.Why is he always in such a rush, his first aim is play 25 balls in odis .That composure comes naturally for some players like Dhoni and for some it take years.What is still unknown is his ability to rotate strike.

Dhoni debut around age of 25 ...for his state side he was kind of alone warrior which made him for responsible

pant is 21 and in his side he played the role if aggressor with so many batsman around 

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

All his knocks in IPL came as an opener.Scoring in IPL as an opener is lot easier than scoring in middle order in odis.Is he more suited for an opening role ?These are unknown things about him and he is not helping his cause by getting out early.

What ???

he has just batted 4 times in opening in IPL

he has played 41 out of 54 innings in IPL at 4 n 5......infact he has made a 100 at no.4 in IPL which is very tough and he destroyed a very good attack of SRH then

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On 12/24/2019 at 11:16 AM, Real McCoy said:

Another thing to note is how the opposition is bowling to him. That shows his weaknesses. Good length balls outside off with the right hand bowler creating an angle. Also the field placements was perfect in the last match. Fielders crowded in the inner circle from point and behind the wicket to prevent the cut shot and any single attempts with short cover. They also had deep fine leg for the reverse sweep and fielders deep on the on side. All credit goes to Pollard and his team management :hatsoff: Pant knows what they are doing and still not able to get away. He was trying to lift the ball over the cover fielders. He got a boundary and perished the next time he played the shot. He has to learn how to fix his weaknesses. Also when he is trying to figure out how to beat that cover fielder, the bowler may pull a fast one straight on the stumps to get him bowled. He was out once like that

there are stages in international players career

 

  1. When ur new 
  2. then opp sought u out - which is where pant is and even kuldeep
  3. then u come up with a plan to counter it- which is what they both will have to do and they will with time

 

Nothing new has happened to everyone, it will only make them better player. Right now if someone like mayank is doing well his 2nd stage will also come 

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9 hours ago, putrevus said:

No one is saying not to give him chances but he also has to use those chances too.Why is he always in such a rush, his first aim is play 25 balls in odis .That composure comes naturally for some players like Dhoni and for some it take years.What is still unknown is his ability to rotate strike.

 

All his knocks in IPL came as an opener.Scoring in IPL as an opener is lot easier than scoring in middle order in odis.Is he more suited for an opening role ?These are unknown things about him and he is not helping his cause by getting out early.

When he did he open in IPL? Delhi openers are Shaw and overseas openers.

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