maniac Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Apart from our top 3- including KL Rahul ( different debate on this) we have DK a keeper-bat who has been batting at 7 or as a floater without ever put in a position to play to build an innings- not an excuse, that is the case because he is not a full batsman. Jadhav in the same category. Bats at 7. Not good enough to bat up the order or to accelerate but supposedly a batting allrounder Pant- excuses have started for him ala Dhoni, he is young, he is a keeper bat etc etc Pandya- a “specialist allrounder” only good for cameos Dhoni- A guy who is fit for one role that is “stabilizing an innings” even then not good enough to bat at 5/3 Jadeja- blasphemy to criticize him today but there is no guarantee he will play an innings like this again in his next 20 matches Vijay Shankar- he is an “allrounder”? Bhuvi- “supposedly” a bowling allrounder No wonder it is game over once we are 2 wickets down. Pandya is not a Ben Stokes and Pant is not a Jos Butler. Hope they evolve into one though srh08, nevada and Stan AF 3 Link to comment
maniac Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, Suhaan said: Same Ganguly was going gaga over Pant,Pandya and even Shankar. Last few minutes of his commentary today when Dhoni was batting was Laaloo 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 Pandya needs to up his game. His fans praise his bowling as he is a professional 5th bowler and a professional cameo bat. That’s actuallya definition of bits and pieces Link to comment
The Realist Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Never mind half batsmen, its full of half-men. Either chubby or malnourished. Fitness regime for an international team is appalling. Link to comment
chewy Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Middle order is non-existent by the end of SF. We all knew middle order was shaky with likes of Rayudu, Shankar, Jadhav, Pandey and Dhoni What's laughable the motha fecker selectors and moron captain, went with even more panuati middle in a WC SF: Dinesh Kathik, Pant, Pandya, Dhoni None of them averaging 40 plus!!!!!!!!! (we all know Dhoni's form last 4 years) The one guy averaging 40 plus we drop, Jadhav. And this before you get Shami not playing, man what a way to * yourself with two fists up the anus Link to comment
maniac Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, The Realist said: Never mind half batsmen, its full of half-men. Either chubby or malnourished. Fitness regime for an international team is appalling. Not like keto diet vegan Kohli and chick magnets with 6 packs Rahul and Pandya made a difference or even the old man who apparently wins every 100m race in training. These guys are bits and pieces at best. Sad that this the best we got. Link to comment
The Realist Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, maniac said: Not like keto diet vegan Kohli and chick magnets with 6 packs Rahul and Pandya made a difference or even the old man who apparently wins every 100m race in training. These guys are bits and pieces at best. Sad that this the best we got. Should have added that mentally this team is not right either. Seem to crumble at the first sign of adversity. Having man-child coaches and captains does not help. GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
bowl_out Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, maniac said: Pandya needs to up his game. His fans praise his bowling as he is a professional 5th bowler and a professional cameo bat. That’s actuallya definition of bits and pieces He is a No.7 batsman in ODIs who can provide quick runs in the end overs and bowl 10 overs. It was stupid to play him at 4 and 5. He shouldn't be playing Tests though, because he is a truly bits and pieces player there. He might get 1 wicket and score 40 runs, but that might not be good enough because he is neither accountable for his bowling nor his batting.. Link to comment
maniac Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) Also I keep hearing this that Dhoni of 2019 is not Dhoni of 2011. WTF is that supposed to mean.if he has declined he has no spot in the team. Not just on ICF but even by TV experts I keep hearing this Edited July 10, 2019 by maniac SK_IH 1 Link to comment
The Realist Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, maniac said: Also I keep hearing this that Dhoni of 2019 is not Dhoni of 2011. WTF is that supposed to mean.if he has declined he has no spot in the team. Not just on ICF but even by TV experts I keep hearing this The Dhoni of 2011 wasn't exactly explosive either. Have to go back to 2007 to find the uninhibited big hitter. maniac 1 Link to comment
Sooda Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 48 minutes ago, maniac said: Same Ganguly was going gaga over Pant,Pandya and even Shankar. Last few minutes of his commentary today when Dhoni was batting was Yes , not even a pretence of neutrality. And probably worse, he seems to think MSD is the same player of 10 years ago maniac 1 Link to comment
zen Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Needed to have “proper” openers. We know these guys score big on flat pitches (and there too need chances), and come up a cropper at the slightest hint of difficult conditions Link to comment
zen Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Ind could probably invest in Agarwal and Shaw, who can do well in most conditions relatively Link to comment
maniac Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, zen said: Needed to have “proper” openers. We know these guys score big on flat pitches (and there too need chances), and come up a cropper at the slightest hint of difficult conditions Any feedback on “cameo bat- 5th bowler” Pandya? Link to comment
zen Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, maniac said: Any feedback on “cameo bat- 5th bowler” Pandya? A #6-7 batsman, who came up to soak up the pressure, scored 32, and also tried to up to scoring rate as RRR was climbing Link to comment
goose Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Dhoni is massive massive asset if the rest of the order was settled and firing. He is the Dravid of one-dayers in that sense. Link to comment
maniac Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, zen said: A #6-7 batsman, who came up to soak up the pressure, scored 32, and also tried to up to scoring rate as RRR was climbing How can someone be the 5th bowler and the no.7 batsman. Stokes is a no.5 and the 5th-6th bowler. That defines bits and pieces. “Tried” but failed which means he cannot play a long innings. Link to comment
vayuu1 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, maniac said: Apart from our top 3- including KL Rahul ( different debate on this) we have DK a keeper-bat who has been batting at 7 or as a floater without ever put in a position to play to build an innings- not an excuse, that is the case because he is not a full batsman. Jadhav in the same category. Bats at 7. Not good enough to bat up the order or to accelerate but supposedly a batting allrounder Pant- excuses have started for him ala Dhoni, he is young, he is a keeper bat etc etc Pandya- a “specialist allrounder” only good for cameos Dhoni- A guy who is fit for one role that is “stabilizing an innings” even then not good enough to bat at 5/3 Jadeja- blasphemy to criticize him today but there is no guarantee he will play an innings like this again in his next 20 matches Vijay Shankar- he is an “allrounder”? Bhuvi- “supposedly” a bowling allrounder No wonder it is game over once we are 2 wickets down. Pandya is not a Ben Stokes and Pant is not a Jos Butler. Hope they evolve into one though so you are blaming pant who has played 8 matches including 4 in this wc and pandya who has played well through out the wc, pant and pandyas job is to attack the defensive game will come with time, the blame lies with more experienced guys like Tony and dk, 5/3 Tony should have come and dk too, pant should have come next, you have to groom ur players for situations not drop them in and out and suddenly select them, pant should have been persisted with for a longer time, not rayudu, we play him we drop him, what's the point. Link to comment
zen Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, maniac said: How can someone be the 5th bowler and the no.7 batsman. Stokes is a no.5 and the 5th-6th bowler. That defines bits and pieces. “Tried” but failed which means he cannot play a long innings. And openers cannot open. They tried to open but could not even play a few balls Link to comment
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