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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

I keep hearing and reading that a bad 45 minutes cost us this Cup. Not true. A top order collapse, with the ball swinging, can always happen especially in England. Planning to counter that, by developing a good middle order, was not done 

Shastri will be the fall guy if at all BCCI decides to act.. Dont think Kohli will step down from captaincy. They very well knew about the overnight rain & NZ's swing bowlers. The least they could have tried was to shuffle the batting order by promoting DK or Dhoni above Kohli

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On 7/11/2019 at 1:51 PM, express bowling said:

 

I keep hearing and reading that a bad 45 minutes cost us this Cup. Not true. A top order collapse, with the ball swinging, can always happen especially in England. Planning to counter that, by developing a good middle order, was not done 

 

IF that was the case we shud never have dreamed of winning the cup

Coz a day wud have come where 3 wud fail and that happens with every team in a tournament. Look at 2003 Aus , Matches against Eng n NZ were in bad situation and even against Pakistan where symonds bailed them out

 

Look at aus today lost both their top scorer in a matter of no time

 

This team was never going to win the Wc coz all the time and easy series were wasted so top 3 boost their stats and rest where never groomed.  In 2011 Prepration sachin was taking a lot of rest which gave kohli a lot of time to set , and yuvi was dropped in last yr which gave raina time. Here pant played only 8 odi. 

 

One more point we got our batting order completely wrong- Kohli shud have never allowed dhoni to come so low. If he is good at consolodating he shud have gone at 4. Pant is inexp so high chances he wud have gotten out on 30-50 which is useful if less runs are needed . Same was the case with karthik he was being seen as finisher and when it was collapse he was send ahead .

 

Another big problem with kohli is he cant back anyone be it good or bad choice

 

kuldeep was struggling - had it been a captain like ganguly or dhoni they wud have backed him. Kulcha was kohli plan-A and he changed it in no time

 

HE cant even back his bad choices like rayudu , rahane or rohit , dhawan in test 

 

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25 minutes ago, diga said:

Shastri will be the fall guy if at all BCCI decides to act..

 

The Kumble episode showed us that the coach does not have much power in this setup. The show in LOIs is run by Kohli and Dhoni ... including squad selections.  

 

The selectors are puppets too in the hands of these 2 superstars.  The original World Cup backup list had Pant and Rayudu as backup batsmen as per the selectors' statements. But they chose Mayank in the squad as the TM wanted it.  While I like that choice personally, it does show that what the selectors think are not that important 

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39 minutes ago, diga said:

Shastri will be the fall guy if at all BCCI decides to act.. Dont think Kohli will step down from captaincy. They very well knew about the overnight rain & NZ's swing bowlers. The least they could have tried was to shuffle the batting order by promoting DK or Dhoni above Kohli

If anything its Kohli that has to step down and Rohit has to has to become captain .

It shud be the end of Dhoni, DK, jadhav ..........has to has to be the end 

 

Shastri wasnt as big a problem as kohli 

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Legacies of teams and captains are built based on winning the really big tournaments and away test series against top teams.

 

And the 50 over World Cup is the most important.

 

Winning multiple bilateral LOI series or home test series can make a team or captain good but never great.

 

With lots of really good batsmen and bowlers available to us, we lost a golden opportunity this time.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

I was listening to Kohli's post match press conference.  He kept on repeating that it is not possible to understand things from the outside or something to this effect. 

 

While it is true that commenting about things, when one does not have it do it himself, is far easier ... not all issues are totally unfathomable from the outside. 

 

This total disregard he seems to have, about other people and their opinions, is not a good quality to have as a leader of men.

 

Moreover, while replying to a question about over-reaction of Indian fans ... he said that disappointment about losses and exuberance about wins should both be in moderation. 

 

While no one supports violent behaviours like stone pelting etc. by a handful of stupid fans, who is Kohli to dictate the emotions that is to be felt by fans !!   People will be and should be as disappointed and as happy as they want to be ... as long as they are not breaking the law or harming others or themselves. 

 

People follow sports passionately because they feel that they themselves are playing through the superstars. When Sachin batted in the 1990s, the whole of India batted through him. This is the passion they felt.  

 

Why would any superstar want to stop this. !!

Never seen any other Indian cricket superstar talk like this. 

 

Telling fans that they don't understand much about Indian cricket and telling them not to be passionate about cricket.  It is like chopping the branch you are sitting on. 

 

Amazing. !!

 

Cricket is not the only entertainment available to Indian people nowadays. And it has lost a lot of popularity from the 1980s and 1990s. We don't need the Indian cricket captain talking like this if the popularity of cricket is to be maintained.

He and Shastri were talking quite a bit when we were batting. I was wondering what they were talking about so much. They must have discussed what lame excuses they can offer in the press conference.

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All valid points by the op. Shastri as a coach does share some blame for looking ahead and not focussing on NZ game.

Failure to develope backup openers was an issue too and were short of couple of middle order batsman.

Blame to be shared by Kohli, Shastri and Selectors.

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

IF that was the case we shud never have dreamed of winning the cup

Coz a day wud have come where 3 wud fail and that happens with every team in a tournament. Look at 2003 Aus , Matches against Eng n NZ were in bad situation and even against Pakistan where symonds bailed them out

 

Look at aus today lost both their top scorer in a matter of no time

 

This team was never going to win the Wc coz all the time and easy series were wasted so top 3 boost their stats and rest where never groomed.  In 2011 Prepration sachin was taking a lot of rest which gave kohli a lot of time to set , and yuvi was dropped in last yr which gave raina time. Here pant played only 8 odi. 

 

One more point we got our batting order completely wrong- Kohli shud have never allowed dhoni to come so low. If he is good at consolodating he shud have gone at 4. Pant is inexp so high chances he wud have gotten out on 30-50 which is useful if less runs are needed . Same was the case with karthik he was being seen as finisher and when it was collapse he was send ahead .

 

Another big problem big kohli is he cant back anyone be it good or bad choice

 

kuldeep was struggling - had it been a captain like ganguly or dhoni they wud have backed him. Kulcha was kohli plan-A and he changed it in no time

 

HE cant even back his bad choices like rayudu , rahane or rohit , dhawan in test 

 

He choose defensive bowlers bhuvi over shami. A wicket taker bowler is always better than defensive bowler 

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9 minutes ago, kohli said:

He choose defensive bowlers bhuvi over shami. A wicket taker bowler is always better than defensive bowler 

Issue was the batting. If you cant score 250 you get to go home.

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There are people who still don't forget to remind  that hey we lost but reached in sf/final. I mean same thing happening since 13 ct....we are the new chokers with a fake aggressive captain who jumps like monkey in dressing room, does mujra with pakistani after getting humiliated and then post emotional message on social media. Have you ever seen sachin, dravid or even dhongi doing such antics whether they won or loose. This guy has sales man in built and know more about marketing than winning something relevant. FFS how can you send a 21 year old when we were 5-3 where as a veteran of 4wc was warming his ass, isn't that the very reason which has been given 1000 times to justify his position in team the so called  coLlapse prevention.

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Let's address the elephant in the room. Can anyone in this forum remember a single team ever, carrying 3 wicket keepers in the team? During our time,90's and early 2000's, a wicket keeper scoring runs was an extra brownie points. The nature of the game is such, that more often than not, you cannot rely on a wicket keeper to be your specialist batsman. DK and Pant have been wicket keepers through out. Have we run so short of batting talents in India that we carry 3 wicket keepers? And still use 45 yr + ch+ot to wicket keep for us? 

Couldnt the selectors find anything special in batters like Gill, Mayank etc to groom them for if not 2 yrs, atleast in the last 12 months? 

While I understand that a player like Jadhav could be good on a given day, but honestly, he never gives me the confidence of a player you could depend upon. Definitely, he is not a world cup material and offers zilch on a long term. Why ignore young players and have jadhav? If this is not nepotism and the effect of Dhongi, then what is? 

 

Must the captain and the coach not be held accountable to keep a fast bowler, who performed the best amongst all, away from the team in a crunch match, against a team he has a phenomenal record, in their own country? This point alone calls for a serious enquiry. And I mean serious. Theres definitely some wheeling dealing going on. 

 

A lot of people here wouldnt like me saying this, but within our hearts we all know that BCCI controls a hell lot of things, including the pitches Indian team plays on. I have no proof of saying this, but Indian team did get lucky with the kind of pitches they got initially. To think that they couldnt convert even after so much of influence, Kohli and Shastri must be fired. Dhoni should be kicked out as far as possible. 

These 3 are the biggest poison of team India. No player ever has been as toxic as these 3!

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4 hours ago, express bowling said:

Not developing a strong enough middle order, when there was time on hand before the WC , was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.  And it did yesterday.  And it is not an observation based on hindsight as everyone kept talking about this for 2 years now 

 

Kohli probably lacks the confidence to be a LOI captain without help from an experienced ex-captain.  This led to him hanging on to.  Dhoni way past his " sell by date ".  And this resulted in Pant not being allowed to settle in, as Dhoni's position in the team would be questioned even more if a young keeper batsman does well. 

 

Why a non-keeper batsman was not allowed to settle in at No.4 is beyond me. !     Add to this, Kohli's faith in TTFs in the batting department instead of new talent.  

 

I keep hearing and reading that a bad 45 minutes cost us this Cup. Not true. A top order collapse, with the ball swinging, can always happen especially in England. Planning to counter that, by developing a good middle order, was not done 

 

Kohli is a defensive captain in LOIs despite his verbal bravado and pseudo aggressive body language on field.  He prefers defensive pacers compared to wicket takers like Shami.  We don't have a true wicket in the first 10 overs.  This aspect contributed to yesterday's loss too.  The ball was moving around and we managed to take just 1 wicket in the first 10 overs.  Who knows, 239 was probably 20 or 30 runs too many given the conditions.

 

Kohli, the LOI captain, would need a lot of luck to win big tournaments because he lacks confidence as a LOI captain, is not ruthless enough to take tough decisions, is defensive in his choice of pacers and chokes as a batsman in crucial LOI matches.

A good last 2-3 years cost us the World Cup.

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On 7/11/2019 at 8:52 AM, Rightarmfast said:

Let's address the elephant in the room. Can anyone in this forum remember a single team ever, carrying 3 wicket keepers in the team? During our time,90's and early 2000's, a wicket keeper scoring runs was an extra brownie points. The nature of the game is such, that more often than not, you cannot rely on a wicket keeper to be your specialist batsman. DK and Pant have been wicket keepers through out. Have we run so short of batting talents in India that we carry 3 wicket keepers? And still use 45 yr + ch+ot to wicket keep for us? 

Couldnt the selectors find anything special in batters like Gill, Mayank etc to groom them for if not 2 yrs, atleast in the last 12 months? 

While I understand that a player like Jadhav could be good on a given day, but honestly, he never gives me the confidence of a player you could depend upon. Definitely, he is not a world cup material and offers zilch on a long term. Why ignore young players and have jadhav? If this is not nepotism and the effect of Dhongi, then what is? 

 

Must the captain and the coach not be held accountable to keep a fast bowler, who performed the best amongst all, away from the team in a crunch match, against a team he has a phenomenal record, in their own country? This point alone calls for a serious enquiry. And I mean serious. Theres definitely some wheeling dealing going on. 

 

A lot of people here wouldnt like me saying this, but within our hearts we all know that BCCI controls a hell lot of things, including the pitches Indian team plays on. I have no proof of saying this, but Indian team did get lucky with the kind of pitches they got initially. To think that they couldnt convert even after so much of influence, Kohli and Shastri must be fired. Dhoni should be kicked out as far as possible. 

These 3 are the biggest poison of team India. No player ever has been as toxic as these 3!

it's more like 3 keepers + 0.5 keepers each in KLR and jadhav. too much keeper fetishism.

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Yes collapse happen but 4/24 was beyond reparable. It would have been a miracle had we won it from that position. After 4 out, you have just 3 batsman left, not enough in such dicey conditions. No one had even imagined Jaddu playing such an innings and take us close.

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1 hour ago, Vijy said:

it's more like 3 keepers + 0.5 keepers each in KLR and jadhav. too much keeper fetishism.

Pant was picked more as batsman less as wk. DK was Dhoni's backup. Rahul and KJ are part time keepers. Even Kohli can keep. England have YJB, Morgan, Butler WK. It doesn't matter whether they are wk or not if they are good enough to play as specialist batsmen alone.

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On 7/11/2019 at 6:22 PM, Rightarmfast said:

Let's address the elephant in the room. Can anyone in this forum remember a single team ever, carrying 3 wicket keepers in the team? During our time,90's and early 2000's, a wicket keeper scoring runs was an extra brownie points. The nature of the game is such, that more often than not, you cannot rely on a wicket keeper to be your specialist batsman. DK and Pant have been wicket keepers through out. Have we run so short of batting talents in India that we carry 3 wicket keepers? And still use 45 yr + ch+ot to wicket keep for us? 

Couldnt the selectors find anything special in batters like Gill, Mayank etc to groom them for if not 2 yrs, atleast in the last 12 months? 

While I understand that a player like Jadhav could be good on a given day, but honestly, he never gives me the confidence of a player you could depend upon. Definitely, he is not a world cup material and offers zilch on a long term. Why ignore young players and have jadhav? If this is not nepotism and the effect of Dhongi, then what is? 

 

Must the captain and the coach not be held accountable to keep a fast bowler, who performed the best amongst all, away from the team in a crunch match, against a team he has a phenomenal record, in their own country? This point alone calls for a serious enquiry. And I mean serious. Theres definitely some wheeling dealing going on. 

 

A lot of people here wouldnt like me saying this, but within our hearts we all know that BCCI controls a hell lot of things, including the pitches Indian team plays on. I have no proof of saying this, but Indian team did get lucky with the kind of pitches they got initially. To think that they couldnt convert even after so much of influence, Kohli and Shastri must be fired. Dhoni should be kicked out as far as possible. 

These 3 are the biggest poison of team India. No player ever has been as toxic as these 3!

Yes. England currently have YJB, Butler and Morgan. Also Pant was picked as batsman, not as a wk. DK was backup to Dhoni. All three are capable enough to play just as batsman.

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On 7/11/2019 at 6:22 PM, Rightarmfast said:

Let's address the elephant in the room. Can anyone in this forum remember a single team ever, carrying 3 wicket keepers in the team? During our time,90's and early 2000's, a wicket keeper scoring runs was an extra brownie points. The nature of the game is such, that more often than not, you cannot rely on a wicket keeper to be your specialist batsman. DK and Pant have been wicket keepers through out. Have we run so short of batting talents in India that we carry 3 wicket keepers? And still use 45 yr + ch+ot to wicket keep for us? 

Couldnt the selectors find anything special in batters like Gill, Mayank etc to groom them for if not 2 yrs, atleast in the last 12 months? 

While I understand that a player like Jadhav could be good on a given day, but honestly, he never gives me the confidence of a player you could depend upon. Definitely, he is not a world cup material and offers zilch on a long term. Why ignore young players and have jadhav? If this is not nepotism and the effect of Dhongi, then what is? 

 

Must the captain and the coach not be held accountable to keep a fast bowler, who performed the best amongst all, away from the team in a crunch match, against a team he has a phenomenal record, in their own country? This point alone calls for a serious enquiry. And I mean serious. Theres definitely some wheeling dealing going on. 

 

A lot of people here wouldnt like me saying this, but within our hearts we all know that BCCI controls a hell lot of things, including the pitches Indian team plays on. I have no proof of saying this, but Indian team did get lucky with the kind of pitches they got initially. To think that they couldnt convert even after so much of influence, Kohli and Shastri must be fired. Dhoni should be kicked out as far as possible. 

These 3 are the biggest poison of team India. No player ever has been as toxic as these 3!

Indian team got few of the worst pitches in this tournament. What you smoking!

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29 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Yes. England currently have YJB, Butler and Morgan. Also Pant was picked as batsman, not as a wk. DK was backup to Dhoni. All three are capable enough to play just as batsman.

Pass me whatever you been smoking. Sounds like potent enough. 

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53 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Pant was picked more as batsman less as wk. DK was Dhoni's backup. Rahul and KJ are part time keepers. Even Kohli can keep. England have YJB, Morgan, Butler WK. It doesn't matter whether they are wk or not if they are good enough to play as specialist batsmen alone.

We didn't have enough bowling options, like when Pandya got injured after bowling 5 overs IIRC. He carried on because it was the SF & that also affected his batting, so either of Dhoni or DK should've featured not both!

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We didn't have enough bowling options, like when Pandya got injured after bowling 5 overs IIRC. He carried on because it was the SF & that also affected his batting, so either of Dhoni or DK should've featured not both!
Most team don't even have 5 bowling options and are batting heavy.

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3 minutes ago, CG said:

Most team don't even have 5 bowling options and are batting heavy.

Most teams have 6 or 7 not just 5, you can count any of the top 6 teams & they all have more bowling options. None of our top or middle order bowl, that's why playing so many WK was stupid especially the one who dropped Taylor!

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58 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Most teams have 6 or 7 not just 5, you can count any of the top 6 teams & they all have more bowling options. None of our top or middle order bowl, that's why playing so many WK was stupid especially the one who dropped Taylor!

Did they have any option? Third wk only came because Shankar got injured. Neither in reserves, we had any batsman who could bowl except Jadhav. 

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4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Yes. England currently have YJB, Butler and Morgan. Also Pant was picked as batsman, not as a wk. DK was backup to Dhoni. All three are capable enough to play just as batsman.

which three? YJB and co or Dhoni and co? to me, none of the latter trio are capable enough to play as pure batsmen with their current form and ability. but I assume you are referring to YJB and co, which makes sense.

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

So, YJB, butler, Morgan aren't keepers?

In which world is DK a dependable batsman, Pant a solid middle order batsman? In which team can they play only as a batsman? If you are assuming these are solid batsmen, you must be high on some solid dope.

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19 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Did they have any option? Third wk only came because Shankar got injured. Neither in reserves, we had any batsman who could bowl except Jadhav. 

Maybe You're right, Pant (he needs more experience before we say with confidence) and DK (in his specific role as finisher) probably just about good enough to play as batsmen (like Bairstow) and no they didn't have other bowling options... question for me is around planning why didn't they plan better by grooming middle order batsmen who may well be better than Rayudu and DK especially, and batsmen who can bowl.  DK supposedly in the squad as a wk coming in at 6 or 7 (don't even think he had played that many time recently in that position in ODIs) not middle order and was sent in at 5 in our biggest match. 

 

If Pant was going to be in the reserves he should have played a few/many more ODI in the last few months. (Though you Could argue that his IPL was a deciding factor.)

 

Jadeja was a late inclusion to the squad and overall WC scheme of things; if he had more ODI batting opportunity over the last year maybe we would have been confident enough in his ability to go with Shami instead of DK.

 

Shankar came into the tournament having played only a handful of matches batting at 4. Many 6th bowler option eggs Were put in the Jadhav basket, who in the end (Dodgy knees? Condition not helping him?) bowled one over all tournament. Pandya had a  good world cup but is not good enough to be bowling 10 overs every match.

 

We have known about these two problems - lack of 6th bowler options and no 4 - for a long while , yet the genuine candidates...Rahul, Manish, Iyer for no 4 , Jadeja and even Krunal as possible bowling all rounder were tried too late, too inconsistently, or not at all.

 

India have been going for safe, tried and tested options even in relatively meaningless ODIs in the build up to the WC at the expense of Long term planning

 

In the end alot boiled down to Dhoni coming in as low as 7 , why DK and Pandya were sent before him just beggars belief.

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Playing DK in place of Shami was one of the biggest mistakes.DK is most useless head case followed by Rahul who have no ability to handle pressure.

 

Dhoni runs away from pressure when things don't suit him, he should have batted at no5 and World cup 2011 there was no need for him to promote himself over Yuvi but he did because Gambhir and Virat had done the hard yards already.

 

Dhoni inability to even do quarter of what Jadeja was doing cost big time.

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On 7/14/2019 at 4:27 PM, R!TTER said:

Most teams have 6 or 7 not just 5, you can count any of the top 6 teams & they all have more bowling options. None of our top or middle order bowl, that's why playing so many WK was stupid especially the one who dropped Taylor!

      Must be Pant !!!?:p:

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They didn't see the warning signs of the weak MO, with shankar, Jadhav, Dhoni, Pandya in the Afg and WI matches. We barely managed to win on strong bowling against Afg. But the same MO issie were already seen. So, after WI, panic stricken, they got Pant, DK, Dhoni, Pandya, but that kind of quick fix will not work in a match before SF. Jiska dar tha wohi hua..

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On 7/11/2019 at 5:52 AM, Rightarmfast said:

Let's address the elephant in the room. Can anyone in this forum remember a single team ever, carrying 3 wicket keepers in the team? During our time,90's and early 2000's, a wicket keeper scoring runs was an extra brownie points. The nature of the game is such, that more often than not, you cannot rely on a wicket keeper to be your specialist batsman. DK and Pant have been wicket keepers through out. Have we run so short of batting talents in India that we carry 3 wicket keepers? And still use 45 yr + ch+ot to wicket keep for us? 

Couldnt the selectors find anything special in batters like Gill, Mayank etc to groom them for if not 2 yrs, atleast in the last 12 months? 

While I understand that a player like Jadhav could be good on a given day, but honestly, he never gives me the confidence of a player you could depend upon. Definitely, he is not a world cup material and offers zilch on a long term. Why ignore young players and have jadhav? If this is not nepotism and the effect of Dhongi, then what is? 

 

Must the captain and the coach not be held accountable to keep a fast bowler, who performed the best amongst all, away from the team in a crunch match, against a team he has a phenomenal record, in their own country? This point alone calls for a serious enquiry. And I mean serious. Theres definitely some wheeling dealing going on. 

 

A lot of people here wouldnt like me saying this, but within our hearts we all know that BCCI controls a hell lot of things, including the pitches Indian team plays on. I have no proof of saying this, but Indian team did get lucky with the kind of pitches they got initially. To think that they couldnt convert even after so much of influence, Kohli and Shastri must be fired. Dhoni should be kicked out as far as possible. 

These 3 are the biggest poison of team India. No player ever has been as toxic as these 3!

The enquiry will reveal lack of grey matter in shastri 

 

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We're in a bit of catch-22 situation currently:

 

  • When the top 3 click, they bat through and score daddy hundreds. MO barely gets match practice
  • When the top 3 fail, the MO either fails or throws it away due to lack of temperament w.r.t building ODI innings

Its a wonder that we did well as well after losing Dhawan early in the Tournament - credit to KL. But I think, going forward we need to groom other batsmen. That would mean giving them enough match practice, helping them develop the temperament needed to close out games and not throw it away.

 

Realistically, the above is not going to happen unless we break up the top 3 - sorry, I know that's not what Kohli's fans want to hear, but these 3 are just too good in all conditions except when they come up against extreme swing bowler friendly conditions (this means that their failures are few and far in between, likely encountered in only 2-3 countries). I see no way of getting around this unless Virat bats at #4 and developing someone like Rahul or Pant or some other kid like Gill at #3. Pandya should be our designated #6 who gets promoted occasionally like he did during this WC. I thought the Management used him wisely and he did perfectly fine, imo. This would still leave us with finding a bowling all-rounder - probably Jadeja - at #7 who can tonk the ball right off the gate.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Pandya_Power said:

unless we break up the top 3 - sorry, I know that's not what Kohli's fans want to hear, but these 3 are just too good in all conditions except when they come up against extreme swing bowler friendly conditions

They failed in India as well when the ball spun sharply, against Oz. Fact is, like I've said multiple times - these guys are overrated :aetsch:

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2 hours ago, retired_hurt said:

I really wanted Dravid as the coach. But he is doing fine with emerging players and doubt he would want anything to do with Kohli after Kumble's humiliating exit. 

I doubt anyone would wanna handle Brat after that, except boot licker :bumsmack:

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21 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

I doubt anyone would wanna handle Brat after that, except boot licker :bumsmack:

It would have been fun under Headmaster Gavaskar or Grandpa Bishen Bedi

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11 hours ago, R!TTER said:

They failed in India as well when the ball spun sharply, against Oz. Fact is, like I've said multiple times - these guys are overrated :aetsch:

Or others have caught up and figured them out ..they need to reinvent, develop more variations.

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On 7/15/2019 at 3:30 AM, Sooda said:

Maybe You're right, Pant (he needs more experience before we say with confidence) and DK (in his specific role as finisher) probably just about good enough to play as batsmen (like Bairstow) ...

So, how did DK earn his reputation as a finisher?  Other than the one Nidahas finish, I don't recall any other strong finishes involving him.  

 

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7 hours ago, ExtremeBrainfade said:

So, how did DK earn his reputation as a finisher?  Other than the one Nidahas finish, I don't recall any other strong finishes involving him.  

 

He has repeatedly raised Ind's hopes and then "finished" them. he is the greatest finisher I have seen - better than peak Dhoni, Bevan, Hussey, etc.

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3 hours ago, Vijy said:

He has repeatedly raised Ind's hopes and then "finished" them. he is the greatest finisher I have seen - better than peak Dhoni, Bevan, Hussey, etc.

That title belongs to Dhongi

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9 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

why are nobody pointing the finger to the selectors? ultimately they are responsible and they are the ones who stuck to failures llike Rayudu for way too long..

Selectors hand was forced by team mgmt to draft Mayank ahead of any other guy... they will anyway go before sep

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