Pandya is the only “allrounder” to neither have a 50 or a 4fr

[maniac 18,130]

H.Pandya

 

226 runs at 32.00, SR of 112.00, no 50 or 100. also came in with plenty of time to spare in most games.

 

10 wickets at 45.00 with economy of 5.76. no 4 fr or 5fr

 

on the other hand

 

B. Stokes

 

381 runs at 54.00 average and SR of 95 with 4 50's. Played some clutch knocks

 

7 wickets at 32.00 with Economy  of 4.7

 

J.Neesham

 

Only 7 innings but 213 runs at average of 36.00 including a back to the wall 97* against Pakistan. S/R on the lower side at 79 but obviously Nzl is the only team that had to chase/defend total of 300+ only once.

 

12 wickets at 20.75 including a 5fr

 

Brathwaite 154 runs including a clutch 100 that almost pulled off an impossible chase and 9 wickets including a 4fr

 

Holder 170 runs that included a 50 and 8 wickets with no 4fr or 5fr.

 

So our allrounder is the only guy not to have a single 50 or a minimum 4fr  Not sure if he is a batsman or a bowler

Edited July 11 by maniac

[maniac 18,130]

Even Shaifuddin from Bangladesh, Pheklekwayo and Grandhomme have 50’s

 

[maniac 18,130]

Correction pheklukwayo has a highest of 46*

 

Morris being another useless passenger  

[zen 8,814]

If he had the opportunity to bat higher (and get his catches dropped), he would have scored 100s as well. Should have been promoted in games such as vs. SL. As for bowling, he is actually being praised for completing his 10 overs, which allowed Ind to play another specialist batsman 

 

On good batting surfaces, he does not get chances to bat. On good bowling surfaces, the guys who bat for long in other matches, do not deliver, exposing other batsmen earlier. On top of that, these openers mess up chases like that against Eng, setting the rest of the team for failure

 

Performed well in the knockout game. where likes of Rohit, who were supposed to be in good form, failed to deliver where it counted 

Edited July 11 by zen

[maniac 18,130]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

If he had the opportunity to bat higher (and get his catches dropped), he would have scored 100s as well. Should have been promoted in games such as vs. SL. As for bowling, he is actually being praised for completing his 10 overs, which allowed Ind to play another specialist batsman 

  

On good batting surfaces, he does not get chances to bat. On good bowling surfaces, the guys who bat for long in other matches, do not deliver, exposing other batsmen earlier. On top of that, these openers mess up chases like that against Eng, setting the rest of the team for failure

 

Performed well in the knockout game. where likes of Rohit, who were supposed to be in good form, failed to deliver where it counted 

Every name I mentioned has a clutch knock including Grandhomme, Neesham and Brathwaite whom we talk like they don't even belong in Pandya's league. in fact Neesham has a 5fr as well.

 

Why are you bringing in Rohit? is he a allrounder?

[Praveen Amre 12]

I don't think we lost the WC because of all-rounders, particularly Pandya. He may have shortcomings as a batsman or a bowler, but did he fail to do his job? From my perspective, the answer is a 'no'.

[mishra 4,921]

Let’s analyse compare with another player. Maxwell and Pandya are similar batsman. They both rely on arm speed. Result of such arm speed is , ball will travel somewhere behind the stumps.

Nxt time you watch either of two see areas where they score runs.

 

Now can you rely on a batsman like Pandya and Maxwell. No, never. They can get out any time.

 

Its coaches job to bring in some technique in Pandya’s batting.

I have no issue with his bowling but he should not be overworked. His initial few overs are spray bullets. A coach can simply fix it by telling exactly how to get his arms warmed right before bowls his First  ball.

 

So all in all: poor coaching on both fronts

 

[zen 8,814]

10 minutes ago, maniac said:

Every name I mentioned has a clutch knock including Grandhomme, Neesham and Brathwaite whom we talk like they don't even belong in Pandya's league. in fact Neesham has a 5fr as well.

 

Why are you bringing in Rohit? is he a allrounder?

 

Innings by innings list

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
15*	8	7	3	0	214.28	6	not out	2		v South Africa	Southampton	5 Jun 2019	ODI # 4150
48	41	27	4	3	177.77	4	caught	1		v Australia	The Oval	9 Jun 2019	ODI # 4155
26	24	19	2	1	136.84	4	caught	1		v Pakistan	Manchester	16 Jun 2019	ODI # 4161
7	23	9	0	0	77.77	7	caught	1		v Afghanistan	Southampton	22 Jun 2019	ODI # 4169
46	48	38	5	0	121.05	7	caught	1		v West Indies	Manchester	27 Jun 2019	ODI # 4175
45	49	33	4	0	136.36	5	caught	2		v England	Birmingham	30 Jun 2019	ODI # 4179
0	4	2	0	0	0.00	5	caught	1		v Bangladesh	Birmingham	2 Jul 2019	ODI # 4182
7*	8	4	1	0	175.00	5	not out	2		v Sri Lanka	Leeds	6 Jul 2019	ODI # 4187
32	81	62	2	0	51.61	6	caught	2		v New Zealand	Manchester	9 Jul 2019	ODI # 4190

 

I don't see any issues above. He has delivered with 30-40+ scores on quite a few occasions, which has benefitted the team, and where he failed, he was mostly hitting the ball from the go 

 

Rohit is mentioned because if he were to swap the position with Pandya, he would struggle to even get going from ball one. And we know his "FCA"  

Edited July 11 by zen

[Praveen Amre 12]

Hardik Pandya is a captaincy material. Because he has a strong psychological makeup. He can be our next Dhoni. If I were a selector, I would groom him to lead the T-20 side for the 2020 WC and then possibly the ODI side.

Edited July 11 by Praveen Amre
grammar

[Ranvir 668]

Pandya has been disappointing like Maxwell. They never took off.

[maniac 18,130]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Innings by innings list

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
15*	8	7	3	0	214.28	6	not out	2		v South Africa	Southampton	5 Jun 2019	ODI # 4150
48	41	27	4	3	177.77	4	caught	1		v Australia	The Oval	9 Jun 2019	ODI # 4155
26	24	19	2	1	136.84	4	caught	1		v Pakistan	Manchester	16 Jun 2019	ODI # 4161
7	23	9	0	0	77.77	7	caught	1		v Afghanistan	Southampton	22 Jun 2019	ODI # 4169
46	48	38	5	0	121.05	7	caught	1		v West Indies	Manchester	27 Jun 2019	ODI # 4175
45	49	33	4	0	136.36	5	caught	2		v England	Birmingham	30 Jun 2019	ODI # 4179
0	4	2	0	0	0.00	5	caught	1		v Bangladesh	Birmingham	2 Jul 2019	ODI # 4182
7*	8	4	1	0	175.00	5	not out	2		v Sri Lanka	Leeds	6 Jul 2019	ODI # 4187
32	81	62	2	0	51.61	6	caught	2		v New Zealand	Manchester	9 Jul 2019	ODI # 4190

 

I don't see any issues above. He has delivered with 30-40+ scores on quite a few occasions, which has benefitted the team, and where he failed, he was mostly hitting the ball from the go 

 

Rohit is mentioned because if he were to swap the position with Pandya, he would struggle to even get going from ball one. And we know his "FCA"  

Stokes played 2-3 clutch knocks from a hopeless situation. Neesham and Grandhomme played back to the wall knocks against Pak and SA, Brathwaite almost pulled off an epic heist. None of Pnadya's innings were of the same quality.

 

He came at 24/5 with 200+ runs to go in the 10th over and he failed in his first real test. I also see a 0 there and a score of 7 vs Afghan were we were under pressure. Looks like he enjoys when there is a solid platform left by openers or in our case opener and Kohli to swing the bat. sorry don't rate such innings. Even Wahab Riaz played such knocks. No 50 minimum shows,not good enough for proper knocks. and no 4 fr means not a good enough bowling performance either

Edited July 11 by maniac

[zen 8,814]

Just now, Praveen Amre said:

Hardik Pandya is a captaincy material. Mostly because he has a strong psychological makeup. He can be our next Dhoni. If I was a selector, I would groom him to lead the T-20 side for the 2020 WC and then possibly the ODI side.

That is my suggestion as well .... he is street smart, and can understand the perspective from both batting and bowling PoV. Also he gives it all on the field, which can be inspiring 

 

 

[zen 8,814]

4 minutes ago, maniac said:

Stokes played 2-3 clutch knocks from a hopeless situation. Neesham and Grandhomme played back to the wall knocks against Pak and SA, Brathwaite almost pulled off an epic heist. None of Pnadya's innings were of the same quality.

 

He came at 24/5 with 200+ runs to go in the 10th over and he failed in his first real test. I also see a 0 there and a score of 7 vs Afghan were we were under pressure. Looks like he enjoys when there is a solid platform left by openers or in our case opener and Kohli to swing the bat. sorry don't rate such innings. Even Wahab Riaz played such knocks. No 50 minimum shows,not good enough for proper knocks. and no 4 fr means not a good enough bowling performance either

And he got out in trying to get Ind to a win from an impossible situation unlike Rohit who is a liability when conditions support bowlers. If he received dropped chances like certain someone, he would have single handled won Ind the game

Edited July 11 by zen

[cricketfan28 89]

hit and miss.

[First class 67]

Stats are not the only thing, he was able to bowl 10 overs in most of the matches,and had useful contribution in batting and took 10 wickets even with many front line wicket taking bowlers, he did a good job as an all rounder. He is behind Stokes and Neeshan but better than rest of the fast bowling all rounders. 

[maniac 18,130]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

And he got out in trying to get Ind to a win from an impossible situation unlike Rohit who is a liability when conditions support bowlers. If he received dropped chances like certain someone, he would have single handled won Ind the game

He got out playing across the line to a spinner when that was not needed and the pitch eased up.

 

Even spin bowling allrounders like Shakib had a ATG record, Imad Wasim played a match winning knock to get his team over the line and Jadeja scored a 50 to almost win the game.

 

it's a bottom half performance along with Morris, Pheklekwayo etc. something you expect from a bottom half side not the top side in the world

[maniac 18,130]

11 minutes ago, Praveen Amre said:

 

Yes. And despite coming across as regressive and a casteist, I'd dare say that a Brahmin typically has a multi-dimensional view of the reality and make good leaders, like Rohit Sharma. Pandya is a Gujju + a Brahmin.  

  

Marwaris have mental strength and I'd have bet my skin on Mayank Agarwal performing much better than that Rahul in opening... but he was not given a chance in the SL match.

but Rahul is a brahmin

[Dil Dil India 470]

What a dumb thread, Pandya was pretty decent. Did well against Aus and a couple of other times with the bat. Was okay with the ball overall without being spectacular.

[sandeep 10,055]

In this corner, we have Zen, who will over-hype Pandya, and attack Rohit Sharma using "stats".  In the other corner, we have an asshole with the opposite agenda, doing budhdhi noo pradharshan - translates to 'demonstrating his acumen' (sarcasm is to be understood).  

 

 

[Dil Dil India 470]

12 minutes ago, Praveen Amre said:

 

Yes. And despite coming across as regressive and a casteist, I'd dare say that a Brahmin typically has a multi-dimensional view of the reality and make good leaders, like Rohit Sharma. Pandya is a Gujju + a Brahmin.  

 

Marwaris have mental strength and I'd have bet my skin on Mayank Agarwal performing much better than that Rahul in opening... but he was not given a chance in the SL match.

STFU with the caste crap idiot. This is why India is a laughing stock in front of the world. Chewtiya sala. Mods should ban mofos like you. Probably a Pakistani with an Indian id.

[maniac 18,130]

@Switchblade we have a multi-ID on this thread. Do your investigation :)

[Dil Dil India 470]

Lots of Pak morons are creating fake ids and start either caste crap or hindu-muslim crap to try and turn Indians against each other (which unfortunately is very easy to do as a large majority are fools). At least on ICF mods should take care of this.

[zen 8,814]

Just now, maniac said:

He got out playing across the line to a spinner when that was not needed and the pitch eased up.

 

Even spin bowling allrounders like Shakib had a ATG record, Imad Wasim played a match winning knock to get his team over the line and Jadeja scored a 50 to almost win the game.

 

it's a bottom half performance along with Morris, Pheklekwayo etc. something you expect from a bottom half side not the top side in the world

That is fine as the RRR was in the process of constantly rising. And NZ spinner needed to be unsettled 

 

I do not know why you are talking about 50 as if it is some kind of a milestone for a guy whose main role is to get quick runs for his team and when he has scores of 45, 46, and 48 at a great SR

 

When specialists like Rohit need chances to even score a 50, Pandya's performances in all 3 departments are commendable

 

Thanks!

 

 

[maniac 18,130]

Let's go through his innings

 

15* and 7 * with little runs needed and lot of deliveries. even Chahal/Bunrah could have got those

 

Against pak in a clutch came in the 38th over with a license after a great platform got 26(19)

 

Against Afghan scored 7 when he was really needed as India was back to the wall

 

Against Bangla got a duck

 

AGainst Aus got a 48, I am not going to apply FCA here because it's lame and 40 odd vs WI-decent knocks nothing earth shattering

 

45 vs Eng and 32 vs Newzeland should have been knocks where there was plenty of time and should have gotten us over the line but choke job

 

I guess we set the bar so low for 5th bowler that economy rate of 5.6 and average of 46 is considered great bowling performance

 

[maniac 18,130]

8 minutes ago, sandeep said:

In this corner, we have Zen, who will over-hype Pandya, and attack Rohit Sharma using "stats".  In the other corner, we have an asshole with the opposite agenda, doing budhdhi noo pradharshan - translates to 'demonstrating his acumen' (sarcasm is to be understood).  

 

 

Looks like the steam from pressure cooker making  Dhokla covered this bozos soda bottle glasses. check Stokes and Neesham's performance "MR.Pandya is better than Stokes"

Edited July 11 by maniac

[Dil Dil India 470]

lol at the mention of FCA. What's tailunt's FCA this WC?

[maniac 18,130]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

That is fine as the RRR was in the process of constantly rising. And NZ spinner needed to be unsettled 

 

I do not know why you are talking about 50 as if it is some kind of a milestone for a guy whose main role is to get quick runs for his team and when he has scores of 45, 46, and 48 at a great SR

 

When specialists like Rohit need chances to even score a 50, Pandya's performances in all 3 departments are commendable

 

Thanks!

 

 

Check the breakdown of his innings and bowling stats

 

Thanks!

[Praveen Amre 12]

7 minutes ago, Dil Dil India said:

STFU with the caste crap idiot. This is why India is a laughing stock in front of the world. Chewtiya sala. Mods should ban mofos like you. Probably a Pakistani with an Indian id.

 

So, being a vulgar, offensive dog is okay, but being a casteist is not?

[zen 8,814]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Let's go through his innings

 

15* and 7 * with little runs needed and lot of deliveries. even Chahal/Bunrah could have got those

 

Against pak in a clutch came in the 38th over with a license after a great platform got 26(19)

 

Against Afghan scored 7 when he was really needed as India was back to the wall

 

Against Bangla got a duck

 

AGainst Aus got a 48, I am not going to apply FCA here because it's lame and 40 odd vs WI-decent knocks nothing earth shattering

 

45 vs Eng and 32 vs Newzeland should have been knocks where there was plenty of time and should have gotten us over the line but choke job

 

I guess we set the bar so low for 5th bowler that economy rate of 5.6 and average of 46 is considered great bowling performance

 

 

That is fine considering certain someone who was playing in his 4th ICC tourney needed tons of chances to even score a 50

 

And he is not even in his 4th ICC event yet 

[zen 8,814]

4 minutes ago, Dil Dil India said:

lol at the mention of FCA. What's tailunt's FCA this WC?

Dropped on a single digit score every time, he made a 50+ score   .... For hint - against NZ, there was no drop, so got out for 1

Edited July 11 by zen

[maniac 18,130]

Just now, zen said:

 

That is fine considering certain someone who was playing in his 4th ICC tourney needed tons of chances to even score a 50

 

And he is not even in his 4th ICC event yet 

Has a man of the match in 2 of those knockouts, 100 in the most important game in this wc outside of the finals. I can probably fill this thread up if we are just discussing cameos 

[Dil Dil India 470]

1 minute ago, Praveen Amre said:

 

So, being a vulgar, offensive dog is okay, but being a casteist is not?

Pakistani troll, your days on this forum are numbered. Next time your mom goes down on Ahmad Shahzad's wife, ask her what her caste is.

[Praveen Amre 12]

6 minutes ago, Dil Dil India said:

Pakistani troll, your days on this forum are numbered. Next time your mom goes down on Ahmad Shahzad's wife, ask her what her caste is.

You are wrong on both counts. I'm an Indian and my mother is dead.

[Dil Dil India 470]

Just now, Praveen Amre said:

You are wrong on both counts. I'm an Indian and my mother is dead.

Rubbish. If you are really an Indian with that toilet mindset, you deserve the absolute worst in your life. Definitely a greenbro from peepee. Fool.

[zen 8,814]

3 minutes ago, maniac said:

Has a man of the match in 2 of those knockouts, 100 in the most important game in this wc outside of the finals. I can probably fill this thread up if we are just discussing cameos 

If Pandya opens (and also receives that many chances), ....

[maniac 18,130]

Just now, zen said:

If Pandya opens (and also receives that many chances), ....

When he received still couldn't get a 50  got outbatted by Imad Wasim and Grandhomme

[Dil Dil India 470]

Just now, maniac said:

When he received still couldn't get a 50  got outbatted by Imad Wasim and Grandhomme

WHO THE F*** is Imad Wasim? That loser needed a wrong decision to play a decent knock vs Afghanistan. Your blind tailunt love is making you underrate Pandya

[sandeep 10,055]

9 minutes ago, maniac said:

Looks like the steam from pressure cooker making  Dhokla covered this bozos soda bottle glasses. check Stokes and Neesham's performance "MR.Pandya is better than Stokes"

 

Pandya bowled more overs than Stokes.  Took more wickets than Stokes.  Didn't have the luxury of being 6th or 7th bowler, had to front up and bowl during difficult times - which he did, reasonably well.  

 

Its interesting how you bend over backwards swallowing your own s**t trying to minimize the value of Pandya's innings against Australia - which arguably ended up being the difference between winning and losing that game.  

 

There's a reason why the consensus on Pandya's WC is that he did well.  And the only moroniac with an agenda trying to bash him, isn't really getting the traction he hoped for.  But you do you.  Its a free forum.  Others are free to call out your trash too though.  

 

Time for you to go run and hide, and come back as global baba, or whatever weirdness floats your boat.  

[Praveen Amre 12]

5 minutes ago, Dil Dil India said:

Rubbish. If you are really an Indian with that toilet mindset, you deserve the absolute worst in your life. Definitely a greenbro from peepee. Fool.

Why are you so full of hate, buddy? Unlike you, I hope you do well in your life and learn to appreciate diversity.

[zen 8,814]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

When he received still couldn't get a 50  got outbatted by Imad Wasim and Grandhomme

It is quality over quantity  .... certain someone can't even bat in MO

[sandeep 10,055]

33 minutes ago, First class said:

Stats are not the only thing, he was able to bowl 10 overs in most of the matches,and had useful contribution in batting and took 10 wickets even with many front line wicket taking bowlers, he did a good job as an all rounder. He is behind Stokes and Neeshan but better than rest of the fast bowling all rounders. 

In what way is he "behind" Neesham? 

[maniac 18,130]

Unbelievable atl east guys like Rohit,Virat and Dhoni have a great body of work that speaks for itself and have these hardcore fans (not me :) ) but even guys like Pant and Pandya have these militant defenders (Zen well I can understand :) )  who have done jack .

 

Look I think Pant has a great potential but Pandya sorry has gotten the most golden treatment ever in the history if Indian cricket and hasn't lived up to the hype. as a fellow person who grew up in Mumbai would say bits and pieces to the core.

[maniac 18,130]

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

Pandya bowled more overs than Stokes.  Took more wickets than Stokes.  Didn't have the luxury of being 6th or 7th bowler, had to front up and bowl during difficult times - which he did, reasonably well.  

 

Its interesting how you bend over backwards swallowing your own s**t trying to minimize the value of Pandya's innings against Australia - which arguably ended up being the difference between winning and losing that game.  

  

There's a reason why the consensus on Pandya's WC is that he did well.  And the only moroniac with an agenda trying to bash him, isn't really getting the traction he hoped for.  But you do you.  Its a free forum.  Others are free to call out your trash too though.  

  

Time for you to go run and hide, and come back as global baba, or whatever weirdness floats your boat.  

You numbnut. despite being the 6th bowler, Stokes has impressive stats. how convinently have you skipped Neesham and even Stokes batting performance. looks like you get off on 10 mins of porn than a meaningful relationship. That wasn't personal. just an analogy

[maniac 18,130]

3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

In what way is he "behind" Neesham? 

Neeshan has a 5fr. took a catch of the tournament and played a knock of 97* when his team was 6 wickets down for less than 100. comeback when Pandya does that, still jacking off to that meaningless CT knock are we?

[maniac 18,130]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

It is quality over quantity  .... certain someone can't even bat in MO

Doesn't need to unlike Pandya he knows his role and excels at it

[zen 8,814]

7 minutes ago, maniac said:

Unbelievable atl east guys like Rohit,Virat and Dhoni have a great body of work that speaks for itself and have these hardcore fans (not me :) ) but even guys like Pant and Pandya have these militant defenders (Zen well I can understand :) )  who have done jack .

 

Look I think Pant has a great potential but Pandya sorry has gotten the most golden treatment ever in the history if Indian cricket and hasn't lived up to the hype. as a fellow person who grew up in Mumbai would say bits and pieces to the core.

 

Established players do not need much support. Pant and Pandya are unique talents and in the early phase of their careers, and have been outshining some of the others in various formats including Tests and T20s (MI won IPL because of likes of Pandya for e.g.)

 

I am sure Rohit was supported too when he was new. I hope that you too will look to support youngsters rather than joining the bandwagon once they eventually become big or bigger 

[zen 8,814]

5 minutes ago, maniac said:

Doesn't need to unlike Pandya he knows his role and excels at it

The role that he can't play to perfection when his team needs the most. Gets out for 1 in SF and scores useless 100s vs Eng (which made Ind lose the game) and SL (when others in the team needed hit in the middle which could have helped them in SF)

Edited July 11 by zen

[Dil Dil India 470]

15 minutes ago, Praveen Amre said:

Why are you so full of hate, buddy? Unlike you, I hope you do well in your life and learn to appreciate diversity.

Yes appreciating diversity is creating a fake id and propagating casteist nonsense like you are. Piss off Pakistani.

[maniac 18,130]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

Established players do not need much support. Pant and Pandya are unique talents and in the early phase of their careers, and have been outshining some of the others in various formats including Tests and T20s (MI won IPL because of likes of Pandya for e.g.)

 

I am sure Rohit was supported too when he was new. I hope that you too will look to support youngsters rather than joining the bandwagon once they eventually become big or bigger 

I believe in backing talents and at the same time there is thin line of where you draw the line. you have it or you don't. Most ATG's are not manufactured, you see it in them from the first few games itself. That is why still not given up on Pant but Pandya has been around for 3 years. Kapil debuted in 79 and by 83 he played the greatest ODI knock of all time and captained his team to the WC. Was considered to be one of the greatest all rounders already

[zen 8,814]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

I believe in backing talents and at the same time there is thin line of where you draw the line. you have it or you don't. Most ATG's are not manufactured, you see it in them from the first few games itself. That is why still not given up on Pant but Pandya has been around for 3 years. Kapil debuted in 79 and by 83 he played the greatest ODI knock of all time and captained his team to the WC. Was considered to be one of the greatest all rounders already

Pandya himself has said that he is not Kapil Dev. While his utility over others for the role he is currently playing has been already discussed in details  .... and of course, if he gets to consistently bat higher, he will do well there too. Has an overseas test 100 and 5-er

Edited July 11 by zen