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1 minute ago, zen said:

Pandya himself has said that he is not Kapil Dev. While his utility over others for the role he is currently playing has been already discussed in details :winky: .... and of course, if he gets to consistently bat higher, he will do well there too. Has an overseas test 100 and 5-er

The 5fr was good even though 100 was whatever against SL. Binny's 6fr is one of the most memorable odi spells of all time and he saved a test for India with 80+ but still bits and pieces. We want Pandya to be a Kapil Dev, if he thinks he is not one then hope it is not Binny

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8 minutes ago, maniac said:

The 5fr was good even though 100 was whatever against SL. Binny's 6fr is one of the most memorable odi spells of all time and he saved a test for India with 80+ but still bits and pieces. We want Pandya to be a Kapil Dev, if he thinks he is not one then hope it is not Binny

Well, there are various categories b/w (and beyond) Kapil and Binny. I am surprised that you think that there are only two! To help you to visualize the possibilities:

 

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10 minutes ago, Dil Dil India said:

Yes appreciating diversity is creating a fake id and propagating casteist nonsense like you are. Piss off Pakistani.

Okay, buddy. Wipe that froth off your lips and please don't break anything around you. Have a good day.

 

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18 minutes ago, zen said:

Well, there are various categories b/w Kapil and Binny. I am surprised that you think that there are only two! To help you to visualize the possibilities:

 

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These shades are something we come up with to satisfy our arguments.

 

There are 3 categories of all rounders in cricket-period!

 

A bowling all rounder someone who is your strike bowler. someone who has great skills in the other dept. eg; Kapil, Imran,Pollock, Botham,Hadlee,Ashwin,Jadeja,Mitchell Johnson( in tests), Woakes,Akram etc. yes they may have varying talent in the other skill but still it is all one group. Even if they scores 10 ducks they will be in the side as a pure bowler

 

A batting allrounder- Your Top order bat who is great with the ball again with varying levels in the other dept Ben Stokes, Jacques Kallis, Gary Sobers, Ravi Shastri, Shane Watson, Shakib,Jayasuriya,Sachin,Yuvraj,Sehwag etc. even if they can't bowl they will make it to the side on batting alone

 

Bits and pieces- Grandhomme, Afridi, Chris Harris, Binny, Pandya,Hollioake,Irani etc. what are their primary skills?

 

As you can see within these 3 groups there are some who may be better than the other in a specific skill for example Afridi is a better bowler than say Irani or Kallis is a better bowler than Jayasuriya or Kapil a better bat than Mitchell Johnson within that specific group.

 

The "specialist" allrounder in my book is bits and pieces someone who is keeping the bench warm for a really skilled player. Pandya right now is category 3. That is not derogatory though, these bits and pieces can win you a match or 2 as all of those guys have but they are only stop gap. Afridi had a long career and hence him and  his country is the butt of all jokes. India is a proud cricketing nation and we don't need bits and pieces players, we will get a skilled batsman or bowler who will be decent in the other skill if we look hard enough

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

These shades are something we come up with to satisfy our arguments.

 

There are 3 categories of all rounders in cricket-period!

 

A bowling all rounder someone who is your strike bowler. someone who has great skills in the other dept. eg; Kapil, Imran,Pollock, Botham,Hadlee,Ashwin,Jadeja,Mitchell Johnson( in tests), Woakes,Akram etc. yes they may have varying talent in the other skill but still it is all one group. Even if they scores 10 ducks they will be in the side as a pure bowler

 

A batting allrounder- Your Top order bat who is great with the ball again with varying levels in the other dept Ben Stokes, Jacques Kallis, Gary Sobers, Ravi Shastri, Shane Watson, Shakib,Jayasuriya,Sachin,Yuvraj,Sehwag etc. even if they can't bowl they will make it to the side on batting alone

 

Bits and pieces- Grandhomme, Afridi, Chris Harris, Binny, Pandya,Hollioake,Irani etc. what are their primary skills?

 

As you can see within these 3 groups there are some who may be better than the other in a specific skill for example Afridi is a better bowler than say Irani or Kallis is a better bowler than Jayasuriya or Kapil a better bat than Mitchell Johnson within that specific group.

 

The "specialist" allrounder in my book is bits and pieces someone who is keeping the bench warm for a really skilled player. Pandya right now is category 3. That is not derogatory though, these bits and pieces can win you a match or 2 as all of those guys have but they are only stop gap. Afridi had a long career and hence him and  his country is the butt of all jokes. India is a proud cricketing nation and we don't need bits and pieces players, we will get a skilled batsman or bowler who will be decent in the other skill if we look hard enough

You can have your categories and place him wherever you please. It does not take away the fact that he offers value to the Indian team as a) its best high SR batsman (and good enough to be in the team for that alone), b) its 3rd or 4th pacer (bowls 140+), and c) among its best fielders 

 

For me, an AR is someone selected for his ability to contribute in 2 disciplines batting + bowling/WKing. So if Pant is picked over Saha as wk in tests, it is because he is expected to contribute with the bat as well. What value the ARs add depends on various factors. Which is why I said there are various shades

 

A player has to participate in both disciplines on consistent basis or frequently enough to be considered one. Unlike what you said, for e.g. Yuvi is not an AR if he is only batting and not bowling frequently enough. 

 

I see that you have classified Ashwin and Jadeja as ARs in ODIs, when neither of them are played over Pandya as an AR :lol: 

 

PS don’t forget that a specialist like Rohit, who is a liability in bowling friendly conditions, is neither useful with the bat, or in the field or with the ball in such conditions (or when he stops getting chances)

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Dropped on a single digit score every time, he made a 50+ score [emoji38]  .... For hint - against NZ, there was no drop, so got out for 1

Your obsession with Rohit is sick man.Dropped chances are part of game when you are opening in England you are bound to give chances. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, CG said:
3 hours ago, zen said:
Dropped on a single digit score every time, he made a 50+ score emoji38.png  .... For hint - against NZ, there was no drop, so got out for 1

You are sick man.Dropped chances are part of game when you are opening in England you are bound to give chances.

Everyone knows what happens in a game. It is obvious that it is mentioned for him because, unlike others, he has benefitted from it the most (abnormally high) and in almost every game! .... In one of the games, they even showed a graphics on it i.e dropped score vs final score .... Anyways, you are free to feel whatever floats your boat 

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4 hours ago, Praveen Amre said:

Hardik Pandya is a captaincy material. Because he has a strong psychological makeup. He can be our next Dhoni. If I were a selector, I would groom him to lead the T-20 side for the 2020 WC and then possibly the ODI side.

Are you THE Praveen Amre?

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2 hours ago, maniac said:

These shades are something we come up with to satisfy our arguments.

 

There are 3 categories of all rounders in cricket-period!

 

A bowling all rounder someone who is your strike bowler. someone who has great skills in the other dept. eg; Kapil, Imran,Pollock, Botham,Hadlee,Ashwin,Jadeja,Mitchell Johnson( in tests), Woakes,Akram etc. yes they may have varying talent in the other skill but still it is all one group. Even if they scores 10 ducks they will be in the side as a pure bowler

 

A batting allrounder- Your Top order bat who is great with the ball again with varying levels in the other dept Ben Stokes, Jacques Kallis, Gary Sobers, Ravi Shastri, Shane Watson, Shakib,Jayasuriya,Sachin,Yuvraj,Sehwag etc. even if they can't bowl they will make it to the side on batting alone

 

Bits and pieces- Grandhomme, Afridi, Chris Harris, Binny, Pandya,Hollioake,Irani etc. what are their primary skills?

 

As you can see within these 3 groups there are some who may be better than the other in a specific skill for example Afridi is a better bowler than say Irani or Kallis is a better bowler than Jayasuriya or Kapil a better bat than Mitchell Johnson within that specific group.

 

The "specialist" allrounder in my book is bits and pieces someone who is keeping the bench warm for a really skilled player. Pandya right now is category 3. That is not derogatory though, these bits and pieces can win you a match or 2 as all of those guys have but they are only stop gap. Afridi had a long career and hence him and  his country is the butt of all jokes. India is a proud cricketing nation and we don't need bits and pieces players, we will get a skilled batsman or bowler who will be decent in the other skill if we look hard enough

Pandya does fall under category three. As of now he is slightly better than a half batsman and as a bowler he does okay, plays the enforcer role with bouncers but also leaks runs. SL's Angelo Mathews was a similar player. Early in his career he used to bowl medium pace and bat a bit. In a test match in SL, Zahir Khan bowled one bouncer at him and he was caught in an awkward position and got out. The commentator remarked that this is the limitation of someone who is not a proper batsman. But later on in his career Mathews developed his batting so much he became an automatic pick despite not bowling at all. Pandya also can work on his batting and become better. Sending him at 4 or 5 in bilaterals or even at 3 will allow him to develop his batting. 

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Pandya for me one of the biggest positives of this world cup.

Took 3 wickets against BD when Shami had a relatively bad game. Also got Hafeez and Malik out and buried the Pak game.

The way he wisely used slower balls makes me hopeful that he can become our 3rd option in death overs.

In batting he proved that he can take pace bowlers on from ball one in Eng & Aus games. Probably the only batsman we have who can do this.

Just kept picking wrong ball to hit because of lack of experience.

Impressed the way he batted against NZ fast bowlers.

Pandya will be an asset for us in LOIs.

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Pandya walks into the one day xi without any fuss

But I maintain he must get  feeling of someone breathing down his neck,has  to be on his toes to perform,we should be grooming one more seamer allrounder to up the competition for places,but ,as of now Pandya is not our problem

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12 hours ago, zen said:

If he had the opportunity to bat higher (and get his catches dropped), he would have scored 100s as well. Should have been promoted in games such as vs. SL. As for bowling, he is actually being praised for completing his 10 overs, which allowed Ind to play another specialist batsman 

 

On good batting surfaces, he does not get chances to bat. On good bowling surfaces, the guys who bat for long in other matches, do not deliver, exposing other batsmen earlier. On top of that, these openers mess up chases like that against Eng, setting the rest of the team for failure

 

Performed well in the knockout game. where likes of Rohit, who were supposed to be in good form, failed to deliver where it counted 

Rohit also dropped a catch on the field because he was fat and lazy

 

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Hardik Pandya to Neesham, 1 run, a lazy effort from Rohit, will go down as a chance - the slower bouncer from Pandya and Neesham was completely done in - hung his bat as an afterthough, looped off the top-edge and lobbed wide of mid-wicket. Rohit ran across and then half-heartedly went with his left hand, can't even get a finger on that

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Rubbish thread. Pandya had plenty of 40s and was a good 5th bowler. He has the potential to be the finisher like Dhoni was in his prime. He is also captaincy material well exhibited in his bowling and directing field placements when he bowls. I think Kohli and Rohit shoudl do what Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly did in 2007 and should retire from the t20 format and make Pandya captain for the t20 world cup in Aus. Can't go wrong when investing in youth and encouraging them. Dhoni, Yuvraj, Sharma, all played in the 2007 T20 WC and won

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Don;t care about the stats, but Panya had a good WC and he has the talent to become #1 all rounder in the world. He bowled well in SF and batted well under pressure , until that shot, that was total inexperience. Had Dhoni was on the other end, or anyone with experience and not the youngman Pant, he would have won the game for India. 

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So apparently 

 

Rohit,Virat,bowlers- did well so no issues there

Rahul- did an admirable job to fill in for Dhawan

DK,Jadhav,Jadeja- didn’t get opportunities,were chopped and changed or else they would have been amazing

Pandya- absolutely brilliant

Pant- oh he is learning,just a youngster 

Dhoni- what a fighting knock and stabilizing innings

 

Let is not complain as looks like we have a flawless team

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The fact that people are trying to defend Pandya shows it is a mediocre performance that could go either way. Nothing comprehensive here.

 

As pointed out every other allrounder has a comprehensive knock or a spell >50 or more than 4 wickets which is usually a benchmark bar Pandya.

 

Clearly there were more than 4-5 games where he could have got a 50 or taken a 4fr and failed.

 

This is a out and out mediocre performance not outstanding. If you guys want to celebrate mediocrity I am not stopping you.

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What a foolish thread. At one side people complain why do players worry about milestones here someone who did his job is being judged coz of lack of milestone. 

 

Pandya did well this Wc....ill rate his perfomance 7/10 . (OP shud read this coz i knw soon he ll use a fallacy "Oh u mean he was oustanding" which he ll hallucinate on his own ) He cud have done well ofcourse.

He was playing is 1st Wc.....

yuvraj in his 1st wc was good great....

rohit sharma in 1st Wc was avg to good......

Kohli was again avg to good......

Dhoni- Flop 

 

What is this Lack of patience @maniac u have for everyone ??? U Declared Shankar done n dusted in 2 games. But when it comes to ur ladla Rohit do u want me to remind u how many years n games he took .In test cricket rohit perform Once in 8 innings n make a thread of ultimatum again n again ...which at the end is him performing in 1 innings out 8 and on that basis giving more chance. Seriously what hypocrisy.

 

Only a fool wud see a scorecard....shud have watched games n match situation 

 

Sa game- while batting he was the only player who stroked ball fluently from ball -1 .............

Aus game- his innings was the game changer of what cud have been a chasable total to match winning. His game changing 46 doesnt but the 4 runs he didnt score mattered. No wonder ur a Manju fan

Pakistan- didnt get timing.....which is difficult for player who has to go from ball -1 every game 

Eng- The pressure of scoring all runs quickly by rohit, kohli, dhoni, jadhav was forced on one man....who literally had to bat at 300 s/r if team had to win ...is that fair. Do u even watch match situations

Afghanistan game- again had to go from ball 1 on that poor pitch where jadhav n dhoni wasted all time 

NZ- Semi game- He got injured and yet came back bowled his 10 overs...was batting ok

 

So whats the complain- Kohli, Rohit, yuvraj.....all had ok- good 1st Wc no one was great .   

 

And i dont get this A top order players failure is accpeted but a lower order batsman who gets chances rarely has to score in every game whereas he plays the highest risk game . 

 

Absolute foolish thread .....,Sounds like Manju Level complaning- "oh did well but shud have gotten milestone" 

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@Ankit_sharma03^ I never said his performance was poor. It was average at best. Sorry none of his innings had the quality of innings played by other allrounders Stokes,Neesham and even Grandhomme. After a good platform coming all guns blazing is a “cameo” not a great innings.

 

Stokes played 4 clutch knocks, Neesham and Grandhomme got 50’s when their team was back to the wall. Adding Brathwaite’s knock

 

Our bowling was outstanding and he was a good supporting act. Nothing extraordinary.

 

Never once did I call this a poor performance. It was mediocre at best. Once again if you are happy then I am not stopping you. To each his own.

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I am not a big Pandya fan, but the guy had a decent World Cup. He did his role decent enough to merit regular selection for a while. Wonder where the brain fart in the OP comes now after just one defeat in wc semis. 

 

He is not a Bumrah that you expect him to bowl with 10 - 30 runs and 5 wickets. You expect him to bowl under 10 overs, and never a full quota. He scored quick fire runs in league stage. Not outstanding performance, but nothing bad that we need to highlight his performance and make it look that he did not perform. 

 

He is overrated a bit by his fans I see here, but the ones who don't like him, talk lot of gibberish too at times when not needed. 

 

I am a fence sitter for now on him, he did alright in this World Cup. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

I am not a big Pandya fan, but the guy had a decent World Cup. He did his role decent enough to merit regular selection for a while. Wonder where the brain fart in the OP comes now after just one defeat in wc semis. 

  

He is not a Bumrah that you expect him to bowl with 10 - 30 runs and 5 wickets. You expect him to bowl under 10 overs, and never a full quota. He scored quick fire runs in league stage. Not outstanding performance, but nothing bad that we need to highlight his performance and make it look that he did not perform. 

 

 

That exactly is the definition of mediocrity. Thanks for adding to my point. I never said he was poor. He was alright. but other allrounders played more clutch knocks. Not surprising from you who said the Indian team's performance and strategy was acceptable :facepalm:

 

Jaago mere bhai. ye USA ka raddi cricket team nahi hai. This is one of the most powerful sporting bodies in all of world sport

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Sum of parts not greater than whole

So apparently 
 
Rohit,Virat,bowlers- did well so no issues there
Rahul- did an admirable job to fill in for Dhawan
DK,Jadhav,Jadeja- didn’t get opportunities,were chopped and changed or else they would have been amazing
Pandya- absolutely brilliant
Pant- oh he is learning,just a youngster 
Dhoni- what a fighting knock and stabilizing innings
 
Let is not complain as looks like we have a flawless team


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4 minutes ago, maniac said:

That exactly is the definition of mediocrity. Thanks for adding to my point. I never said he was poor. He was alright. but other allrounders played more clutch knocks. Not surprising from you who said the Indian team's performance and strategy was acceptable :facepalm:

 

Jaago mere bhai. ye USA ka raddi cricket team nahi hai. This is one of the most powerful sporting bodies in all of world sport

You have replacement for Pandya? Tell me, and then I will "jaago". Pandya has been sent in situations where you don't expect a 50 from him every time. 

 

Our top order fired many teams in league stage and used up most of the overs. Either you dedicate a slot for Panday like number 4, then you can say we need 50 from him at least every 2nd game, but here he is being used as a "floater". 

 

Floater won't score 50 every time. 

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Just now, jusarrived said:

Pandya I agree hasn’t been great , but do we have a choice here ? Until we have better options he stays 

Thank you exactly my point. However his knocks have been useful,not clutch and dependable like some the other allrounders. Even guys like Nabi and Imad have had better knocks which says a lot and even someone like Neesham the bowler has had a better bowling spell

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This guy creamed easy runs all thanks to rohit who gave us great starts throughout the worldcup. If i am not wrong he has been dropped multiple times in worldcup and still failed to even have good scores. Scored only when top order performed and failed mostly when there was pressure to perform better. He isn't even poor mans stokes. 

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Just now, Cricketics said:

You have replacement for Pandya? Tell me, and then I will "jaago". Pandya has been sent in situations where you don't expect a 50 from him every time. 

 

Our top order fired many teams in league stage and used up most of the overs. Either you dedicate a slot for Panday like number 4, then you can say we need 50 from him at least every 2nd game, but here he is being used as a "floater". 

  

Floater won't score 50 every time. 

You are getting it wrong. there is no alternative to Pandya because we don't have a single guy who hit 6's in the death. That makes him useful, a utility player, not clutch like some of the other allrounders even from weaker sides.

 

It is sad that the top 2 team in the world has to pick a bits and pieces player to fill in the gaps.

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2 minutes ago, maniac said:

You are getting it wrong. there is no alternative to Pandya because we don't have a single guy who hit 6's in the death. That makes him useful, a utility player, not clutch like some of the other allrounders even from weaker sides.

 

It is sad that the top 2 team in the world has to pick a bits and pieces player to fill in the gaps.

No, I am not getting it wrong. Like I stated earlier, I am hardly his fan, I infect call him "Pandua" for a reason. But to point out Pandya's performance now after the World Cup semi loss is ridiculous. 

 

We are using him as a floater and if we had someone like Ben Stoakes or Kallis ready, then we could have played him instead of Pandya, but we don't right? Hence Pandya will continue to play.

 

 

Even when your boy Rohit takes over captaincy, he will play Pandua, because three is no option at least at this time. Moment he fails regularly with the bat, and not even add 30 odd which is expected of him, then he should be dropped right away. 

 

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Just now, Cricketics said:

No, I am not getting it wrong. Like I stated earlier, I am hardly his fan, I infect call him "Pandua" for a reason. But to point out Pandya's performance now after the World Cup semi loss is ridiculous. 

 

We are using him as a floater and if we had someone like Ben Stoakes or Kallis ready, then we could have played him instead of Pandya, but we don't right? Hence Pandya will continue to play.

 

 

Even when your boy Rohit takes over captaincy, he will play Pandua, because three is no option at least at this time. Moment he fails regularly with the bat, and not even add 30 odd which is expected of him, then he should be dropped right away. 

 

That’s the sad part that our expectation from him is a 30 odd and chipping in with 1-2 wickets. That is a definition of bits and pieces which I have been pointing out. 

 

Bits and pieces  works in 1983 not in 2019. These days every batsman or bowler is expected to be 3 dimensional even though they have 1 strong suit. Even guys like Starc,Cummins,Woakes,Southee can all bat.

 

Unfortunately we have good batsman who are one dimensional or good bowlers who are one dimensional that once we see someone who can do a little bit of this and that we drool all over them as some 2nd coming of Kallis,Kapil,Imran

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Objectively, 1 run = 1 point. 1 wkt = 25 points. 

 

Pandya = 226 runs + 10 wkts = 226+250 = 476 points

 

On the points table:

  • Rohit = 648 points (helped my numerous chances, abnormally high, and failed when it mattered as expected on bowler friendly track. no drop, no runs. If his catches were taken, ....) 
  • Pandya = 476 points
  • Bumrah = 451 points
  • Kohli = 443 points

 

:dontknow:

 

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4 minutes ago, zen said:

Objectively, 1 run = 1 point. 1 wkt = 25 points. 

 

Pandya = 226 runs + 10 wkts = 226+250 = 476 points

 

On the points table:

  • Rohit = 648 points (helped my numerous chances, abnormally high, and failed when it mattered as expected on bowler friendly track. no drop, no runs. If his catches were taken, ....) 
  • Pandya = 476 points
  • Bumrah = 451 points
  • Kohli = 443 points

 

:dontknow:

 

In this way shami had more impact than bumrah in this worldcup? He picked some 14 wickets in 4 innings where as bumrah had 18 from 9 innings.

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6 minutes ago, zen said:

Objectively, 1 run = 1 point. 1 wkt = 25 points. 

 

Pandya = 226 runs + 10 wkts = 226+250 = 476 points

 

On the points table:

  • Rohit = 648 points (helped my numerous chances, abnormally high, and failed when it mattered as expected on bowler friendly track. no drop, no runs. If his catches were taken, ....) 
  • Pandya = 476 points
  • Bumrah = 451 points
  • Kohli = 443 points

 

:dontknow:

 

Even coming up with a random theory you couldn't give more points to Pandya over Rohit :p:

 

So you mean to say Pandya > Kohli and Bumrah :omg:

 

Let us drop Kohli and Bumrah and find 11 Pandyas to usher in a new era of dominance :hail:

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1 minute ago, Nikola said:

In this way shami had more impact than bumrah in this worldcup? He picked some 14 wickets in 4 innings where as bumrah had 18 from 9 innings.

Per Points/Innings, yes

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

So apparently 

 

Rohit,Virat,bowlers- did well so no issues there

Rahul- did an admirable job to fill in for Dhawan

DK,Jadhav,Jadeja- didn’t get opportunities,were chopped and changed or else they would have been amazing

Pandya- absolutely brilliant

Pant- oh he is learning,just a youngster 

Dhoni- what a fighting knock and stabilizing innings

 

Let is not complain as looks like we have a flawless team

    Aur aakhir me mila Babaji ka Tullu  for this great team since 2017.:frown:

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1 minute ago, maniac said:

Even coming up with a random theory you couldn't give more points to Pandya over Rohit :p:

basis formula 

 

 
 
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So you mean to say Pandya > Kohli and Bumrah :omg:

 

you can interpret as you please. What it shows is that Pandya as an AR did as well in his field as the specialist in theirs 

 

 

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Let us drop Kohli and Bumrah and find 11 Pandyas to usher in a new era of dominance :hail:

Pandya can't keep :dontknow:

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1 minute ago, zen said:

basis formula 

 

you can interpret as you please. What it shows is that Pandya as an AR did as well in his field as the specialist in theirs 

 

 

Pandya can't keep :dontknow:

also can't bowl spin or bat left handed so we can have Krunal for left and right combo and hopefully there is another Pandya bro or since Pandya likes to "karke aana" all over the globe, sure there might be a junior Pandya somewhere who can keep. there you go problem solved

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2 minutes ago, maniac said:

also can't bowl spin or bat left handed so we can have Krunal for left and right combo and hopefully there is another Pandya bro or since Pandya likes to "karke aana" all over the globe, sure there might be a junior Pandya somewhere who can keep. there you go problem solved

And in that way, you don’t need to rely on abnormally high dropped chances too and fail as expected when the team needs you the most :drool:

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21 minutes ago, maniac said:

That’s the sad part that our expectation from him is a 30 odd and chipping in with 1-2 wickets. That is a definition of bits and pieces which I have been pointing out. 

 

Bits and pieces  works in 1983 not in 2019. These days every batsman or bowler is expected to be 3 dimensional even though they have 1 strong suit. Even guys like Starc,Cummins,Woakes,Southee can all bat.

 

Unfortunately we have good batsman who are one dimensional or good bowlers who are one dimensional that once we see someone who can do a little bit of this and that we drool all over them as some 2nd coming of Kallis,Kapil,Imran

I am all for phasing out all round option, if we have really a batting line up which we can afford to play regularly and whom we can trust, who can chip in few overs because we are no way playing 5 bowlers on regular basis with any captain. It doesn't happen anywhere, hence mostly people use an all rounder option to bail themselves out.

 

You people then start complaing how our tail is long and it starts with number 6 etc. 

 

First figure out what you really want. 

 

 

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Jokes apart Pandya is bits and pieces and we would take a CUmmins or Mitchell Starc type bowler who can bat or a Stokes type batsman who can bowl The best team in the world doesn't deserve utility and bits and pieces players. Hopefully he can keep the seat warm till such a player comes along. I am sure there are a few like that in domestics. hopes on Mavi and Nagarkotti

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1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

I am all for phasing out all round option, if we have really a batting line up which we can afford to play regularly and whom we can trust, who can chip in few overs because we are no way playing 5 bowlers on regular basis with any captain. It doesn't happen anywhere, hence mostly people use an all rounder option to bail themselves out.

 

You people then start complaing how our tail is long and it starts with number 6 etc. 

 

First figure out what you really want. 

 

 

Simple me and most fans want either  someone like Cummins/Starc a gun bowler who can bat or a Ben Stokes a clutch batsman who can bowl. Not a bits and pieces player

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3 minutes ago, maniac said:

Simple me and most fans want either  someone like Cummins/Starc a gun bowler who can bat or a Ben Stokes a clutch batsman who can bowl. Not a bits and pieces player

For Pandya to be a gun bowler, then you would hav to drop him and send him back to domestic and ask him to improve his bowling and come back and earn his comeback, since Indian team is no place to give chances to players who can utilize their stay in the team as stepping stone to become fast bowlers. Pandya is no where even near the bowler what some of the other young bowlers are in India like Saini etc, who are the real potential bowlers and should be tried now solely because they have shown potential to be good at international level. 

 

 

 

 

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