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MOST LIKELY ODI SQUAD 

 

1. Rohit Sharma (C) 

2. Shikhar Dhawan 

3. KL Rahul 

4. Shubman Gill 

5. Shreyas Iyer 

6. Rishabh Pant (WK) 

7. Hardik Pandya

8. Ravindra Jadeja

9. Bhuvneshwar Kumar

10. Mohammad Shami 

11. Yuzvendra Chahal 

 

12. Mayank Agarwal

13. Kuldeep Yadav

14. Navdeep Saini

15. Ishan Kishan (WK)

16. Vijay Shankar

 

Kohli & Bumrah will be rested! 

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Mine will be  

rituraj (would also have included Shaw, but injured) 

Gill 

Pant 

Kishan 

Dhawan 

Iyer

Aggarwal 

Jadeja 

Rahul Chahar 

Pandya 

Saini 

Avesh 

Prasidh 

Shami 

Sundar 

 

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Someone else should be tried instead of Kul-cha. Rohit should be captain.

 

Rohit

Dhwan

Rahul

Gill

Pant

Pandya

Jadega

Gopal

Bhuvi

Navdeep saini

Shami

 

Mayank

Shreyas

Rahul chahar

Aavesh khan

 

 

 

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1. Rohit

2. Agarwal  ( backup for Dhawan )

3. Vihari (  stopgap for Kohli )

4. Gill

5. Pant

6. Pandya

7. Jadeja

8. Rahul Chahar ( backup for Kuldeep / Chahal )

9. Saini

10. Shami

11. Avesh ( backup for Bumrah)

 

12. Dhawan

13. Iyer

14. Khaleel

15. Axar

 

---  Rest Kohli and the bowlers who have played a lot.  Shami can lead the inexperienced pacers and Jadeja can lead the spinners.

---  Drop over the hill Dhoni, DK and Kedar

---  Drop Rahul because he lacks focus.

---  Develop Gill as long term No.4.  Don't bat him at 3 just because Kohli is not there.

--- Develop Pant as the long term No.5 and keeper.

--- Pandya should become the No.6 batter and 6th bowler.

 

 

--- This team has

6 bowlers

big hitters from 5 to 7

no deadweights 

a potentially solid No.4 .

3 specialist pacers 

2 specialist spinners

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, express bowling said:

15. Axar

 

---  Rest Kohli and the bowlers who have played a lot.  Shami can lead the inexperienced pacers and Jadeja can lead the spinners.

---  Drop over the hill Dhoni, DK and Kedar

---  Drop Rahul because he lacks focus.

--- Pandya should become the No.6 batter and 6th bowler.

 

 

 

 

  • Why Axar ??
  • Bhuvi can lead them. I think Shami shud not be considered again for ODI since he wont be playing next Wc. Whatever lil is less in his body save it for test cricket . 
  • Dont drop Dhoni, DK, Jadhav......Rather Tell them they ll never be considered again
  • I still feel Rahul shud be backed......I finally started seeing some confidence in his batting in latter half. His dismissal in last game was a technical issue. If we keep suggesting dropping player after 1 series there is no Diff btw us n Kohli. IF he gets dropped now he ll develop more insecurity 
  • Pandya shud be rested as he was playing with an injury in Last game......unless he fully heals till then 

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21 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:
  • Why Axar ??

 

Want to rest Kuldeep and Chahal.  Apart from Rahul Chahar, there is no other obvious choice.

And he can bat a bit.

 

 

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  • Bhuvi can lead them. I think Shami shud not be considered again for ODI since he wont be playing next Wc. Whatever lil is less in his body save it for test cricket . 

 

Shami is in the form of his life and fitness of his life too.  Needs to be rewarded for that. 

 

We need wicket takers upfront in ODIs and he is ideal for that.  Want to groom youngsters like Saini, Avesh etc. with one senior pacer to lead them. Bhuvi does not interest me as an ODI bowler anymore as he can't pick sufficient  wickets upfront.

 

 

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  • Dont drop Dhoni, DK, Jadhav......Rather Tell them they ll never be considered again
  • I still feel Rahul shud be backed......I finally started seeing some confidence in his batting in latter half. His dismissal in last game was a technical issue. If we keep suggesting dropping player after 1 series there is no Diff btw us n Kohli. IF he gets dropped now he ll develop more insecurity 
  • Pandya shud be rested as he was playing with an injury in Last game......unless he fully heals till then 

 

Yeah ... Pandya can be rested if he is injured.  But he needs to play more ODIs if he is fit.  

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3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Want to rest Kuldeep and Chahal.  Apart from Rahul Chahar, there is no other obvious choice.

And he can bat a bit.

Gopal, gowtham ...........Shocked they are not in consideration

If batting is what we want then why not ashwin 

Axar has been invested in enough ........we already have jadeja who is a superior version of him 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Gopal, gowtham ...........Shocked they are not in consideration

If batting is what we want then why not ashwin 

Axar has been invested in enough ........we already have jadeja who is a superior version of him 

 

 

Gotham has lost form.

 

Gopal is not in India A  ... so he won't get in.  

 

I have chosen only from India A players.

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Rohit Sharma (c) 

Mayank

Gill

Iyer

Nitish Rana (dynamic left hander + part time left arm spin) 

Pant

Hardik

Jaddu

Saini

Rahul Chahar

Khaleel

 

Rest: Ishan Kishan Rajpoot Prasidh Krishna Manish Pandey

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8 hours ago, Sgattick10 said:

Shreya's Iyer is too hackish. 

Is Eoin Morgan any less of a hack?  Buttler?  You don't need Gavaskar level technique to bat at #4 or 5 in white ball cricket.  But you need to have an effective and consistent batting method built around your technique.  

 

I'm not claiming Iyer is the answer.  But let's give guys like him a fair shot, instead of recycling the Dinesh Karthiks of the world - only reason he got chances was because MSK Prasad wanted to give 2nd and 3rd 'comback' chances to 2nd tier players - probably saw himself in them.  He was discarded in the late 90s after a handful of chances, and probably believes it was unfair, instead of recognizing that he simply wasn't good enough.

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Rest Rohit,Dhawan,Kohli & Bumrah. Made the same mistake after 2015 WC.Played full strength squad against Ban & lost.Wasted lots of series without testing new players.

Rituraj/Mayank,Shaw,Gill,AnmolPreet/Nitish Rana,Pant,Pandya,Rahul Chahar,Saini,Khaleel Ahmed,2 more pacers.

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No. 4/5/6 have been the problem for India for the past 3years, and the reason we lost in the SF. Once Dhoni is gone, the need for solid batsmen who can arrest collapses and build partnerships, increases.

 

Assuming Pant/Kishan will play at 6 and Hardhik at 7, we need a solid bat at 4 and 5. These are the only possibilities I can think of at the moment: Gill, Iyer, Mayank, Pandey, maybe Vihari/Rahul The others need to prove themselves.

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35 minutes ago, diehardpacer said:

Rest Rohit,Dhawan,Kohli & Bumrah. Made the same mistake after 2015 WC.Played full strength squad against Ban & lost.Wasted lots of series without testing new players.

Rituraj/Mayank,Shaw,Gill,AnmolPreet/Nitish Rana,Pant,Pandya,Rahul Chahar,Saini,Khaleel Ahmed,2 more pacers.

Who will captain?

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Iyer has to practice bowling 5 overs of his leg spin in List A matches that will increase his chances at no.4. Previously our top order like Seheag, Ganguly, Tendu, Yuvraj, Raina used to bowl when necessary. Thesenew generation of players must be asked to practice their bowling.

 

when Pak new generation players like Fakhar, Haris Sohail etc can bowl, whats the problem with Indian bowlers not practicing their bowling?

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36 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

Who will captain?

Either of Pant,Pandya or Mayank can be captain for this one series.It will give idea about their pressure handling,decision making abilities.

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55 minutes ago, srh08 said:

No. 4/5/6 have been the problem for India for the past 3years, and the reason we lost in the SF. Once Dhoni is gone, the need for solid batsmen who can arrest collapses and build partnerships, increases.

 

Assuming Pant/Kishan will play at 6 and Hardhik at 7, we need a solid bat at 4 and 5. These are the only possibilities I can think of at the moment: Gill, Iyer, Mayank, Pandey, maybe Vihari/Rahul The others need to prove themselves.

We need atleast 2 left hand batters in top 6. If Dhawan is gone  who can be that?

Right now only Pant is there. In 2011 we had Gambhir, Yuvraj and Raina.

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Don’t think Rohit and Shikhar, who is injured anyways, will last till 2023 as they would be not at their peak. Also need to groom proper openers to avoid 24-4 type of situation when the pitch has something for the bowlers.

 

I would not mind fielding a young team in the LOIs with someone like Pandya as captain. Focus should be on test series, which is a part of WTC. 

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Ideally would want us to send a completely new and fresh side. If I were rohit, I would want a break. The team couldn't chase 240 when rohit failed sums up the story. Rohit and Jadeja saved kohli,shastri and dhoni. Else all 3 would have got exposed. 

 

Technique seems overrated . We have had dhoni with limited technique shreyas could do no worse and he led capitals well this season. 

 

Shikhar,dhoni,bhuvi,bumrah,kohli, kukdeep to be rested.

Dk,jadhav,Vijay Shankar, chahal to be dropped. 

 

Rohit,Mayank,KL,Shubman,shreyas,pant,Pandya,jadeja,shami,saini,rajpoot.

Reserves - manish,rahul C, Shreyas G, nitish rana

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, vijay50 said:

We need atleast 2 left hand batters in top 6. If Dhawan is gone  who can be that?

Right now only Pant is there. In 2011 we had Gambhir, Yuvraj and Raina.

Nitish Rana is the other good option. Left handers r game changers in ODI cricket.  Morgan Stokes Carey they all r handy in middle order & can easily maneuver field placements. 

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15 minutes ago, prasen82 said:

Ideally would want us to send a completely new and fresh side. If I were rohit, I would want a break. The team couldn't chase 240 when rohit failed sums up the story. Rohit and Jadeja saved kohli,shastri and dhoni. Else all 3 would have got exposed. 

 

Technique seems overrated . We have had dhoni with limited technique shreyas could do no worse and he led capitals well this season. 

 

Shikhar,dhoni,bhuvi,bumrah,kohli, kukdeep to be rested.

Dk,jadhav,Vijay Shankar, chahal to be dropped. 

 

Rohit,Mayank,KL,Shubman,shreyas,pant,Pandya,jadeja,shami,saini,rajpoot.

Reserves - manish,rahul C, Shreyas G, nitish rana

 

 

 

 

 

 

Technique is the reason for all the top order collapses .Before the WC,both Rohit & Dhawan kept getting out regularly overseas.

If Iyer or other youngsters have technical flaws,they should look to sort them out as early as possible.

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38 minutes ago, zen said:

Don’t think Rohit and Shikhar, who is injured anyways, will last till 2023 as they would be not at their peak. Also need to groom proper openers to avoid 24-4 type of situation when the pitch has something for the bowlers.

 

I would not mind fielding a young team in the LOIs with someone like Pandya as captain. Focus should be on test series, which is a part of WTC. 

They might not last till 2023, but you can't phase them out right away. Rohit for instance, you can't jus leave him out. 

 

Putting a team with all youngsters don't help either. Its fine for them to bat around few seniors like Rohit. That is where they will also learn from guys like Kohli, especially in 50 overs.

 

Look where Windies team go playing all the youngsters? They showed immense talent in every game, but without any proper senior in the middle, they kept losing game after game. 

 

Since Kohli is not on tour, its good to have someone like Rohit around and captain the team, if he is available. If he really wants to rest, then its a different thing. 

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3 hours ago, sandeep said:

Is Eoin Morgan any less of a hack?  Buttler?  You don't need Gavaskar level technique to bat at #4 or 5 in white ball cricket.  But you need to have an effective and consistent batting method built around your technique.  

 

I'm not claiming Iyer is the answer.  But let's give guys like him a fair shot, instead of recycling the Dinesh Karthiks of the world - only reason he got chances was because MSK Prasad wanted to give 2nd and 3rd 'comback' chances to 2nd tier players - probably saw himself in them.  He was discarded in the late 90s after a handful of chances, and probably believes it was unfair, instead of recognizing that he simply wasn't good enough.

     Actually no.4 -5 is there for Iyer's taking now . But he lagging due to 3 issues -

     1. Inconsistency -  Goes for risky funky stokes which is not expected from no. 4  esp. vs Pace . So many times  got out trying to hit with angled bat towards point region and mostly nicked or caught to balls around or even on the stumps. In fact he is a much better hitter if spin bowling , yet  gets out playing silly shots. 

     2. If he can bowl 3-4 overs when required decently would be great. But alas that may not happen by the looks of it. 

     3. Not a blue eyed boy in Kohli's books , so not easy to get in when Kohli rules . The guy is a bit of his own man, has some attitude . One can imagine how Rat will treat such guys . 

    

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9 hours ago, express bowling said:

1. Rohit

2. Agarwal  ( backup for Dhawan )

3. Vihari (  stopgap for Kohli )

4. Gill

5. Pant

6. Pandya

7. Jadeja

8. Rahul Chahar ( backup for Kuldeep / Chahal )

9. Saini

10. Shami

11. Avesh ( backup for Bumrah)

 

12. Dhawan

13. Iyer

14. Khaleel

15. Axar

 

---  Rest Kohli and the bowlers who have played a lot.  Shami can lead the inexperienced pacers and Jadeja can lead the spinners.

---  Drop over the hill Dhoni, DK and Kedar

---  Drop Rahul because he lacks focus.

---  Develop Gill as long term No.4.  Don't bat him at 3 just because Kohli is not there.

--- Develop Pant as the long term No.5 and keeper.

--- Pandya should become the No.6 batter and 6th bowler.

 

 

--- This team has

6 bowlers

big hitters from 5 to 7

no deadweights 

a potentially solid No.4 .

3 specialist pacers 

2 specialist spinners

 

 

 

Bro no Axar please. Let us hope we don't take 1 step forward and five steps backwards. Rest of the team is fine. I would also like to see Gopal instead of Rahul Chahar to give us a batting option. we need some real 3d players fast.

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ODIs:

 

Dhawan (c), Rahul, Mayank, Iyer, Shankar, Pant, Krunal, Gopal, Shami, Saini, Khaleel

 

Kishan, Gill, R Chahar, D Chahar

 

T20Is

 

Rohit (c), Rahul, Surya Kumar, Pant, Hardik, Rana, Krunal, Gopal, BK, Saini, Khaleel

 

Kishan, Iyer, R Chahar, D Chahar

 

Tests

 

Shaw, Mayank, Pujara, Virat (c), Vihari, Pant, Ashwin, Jadeja, Ishant, Shami, Jasprit

 

Kumar, Kuldeep, Hardik, Rahane, Rahul

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20 hours ago, SecondSlip said:

MOST LIKELY ODI SQUAD 

 

1. Rohit Sharma (C) 

2. Shikhar Dhawan 

3. KL Rahul 

4. Shubman Gill 

5. Shreyas Iyer 

6. Rishabh Pant (WK) 

7. Hardik Pandya

8. Ravindra Jadeja

9. Bhuvneshwar Kumar

10. Mohammad Shami 

11. Yuzvendra Chahal 

 

12. Mayank Agarwal

13. Kuldeep Yadav

14. Navdeep Saini

15. Ishan Kishan (WK)

16. Vijay Shankar

 

Kohli & Bumrah will be rested! 

Age old problem of lack of 6th bowler. We were found out too often, when bowlers (spinners mostly) beign hammered were forced to bowl out their quota

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2 hours ago, Sooda said:

Age old problem of lack of 6th bowler. We were found out too often, when bowlers (spinners mostly) beign hammered were forced to bowl out their quota

Iyer is a part time leg spinner who can be our 6th bowler. 

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Kumar should be dropped straightway ,its not like he will groom youngsters,no swing,no pace,no accuracy

Got zilch to train youngsters

Going forward Dhawan and Rohit should be selecting matches to play to let youngsters have  enough game time

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On 7/12/2019 at 1:58 AM, express bowling said:

1. Rohit

2. Agarwal  ( backup for Dhawan )

3. Vihari (  stopgap for Kohli )

4. Gill

5. Pant

6. Pandya

7. Jadeja

8. Rahul Chahar ( backup for Kuldeep / Chahal )

9. Saini

10. Shami

11. Avesh ( backup for Bumrah)

 

12. Dhawan

13. Iyer

14. Khaleel

15. Axar

 

---  Rest Kohli and the bowlers who have played a lot.  Shami can lead the inexperienced pacers and Jadeja can lead the spinners.

---  Drop over the hill Dhoni, DK and Kedar

---  Drop Rahul because he lacks focus.

---  Develop Gill as long term No.4.  Don't bat him at 3 just because Kohli is not there.

--- Develop Pant as the long term No.5 and keeper.

--- Pandya should become the No.6 batter and 6th bowler.

  

 

--- This team has

6 bowlers

big hitters from 5 to 7

no deadweights 

a potentially solid No.4 .

3 specialist pacers 

2 specialist spinners

 

 

 

I'd switch Pant and Mayank. Pant does not, at this stage in his career, have the kind of complete middle-order game that is required. He is more like Gilly to me - open in ODIs and bat in the middle order in Tests since there is the license to go over the top. Second, move Jaddu to 6 and Pandya to 7. Jaddu cannot hit at the speed than Pandya can and he is more of a "proper" batsman at the domestic level; he has also avgd 42 in tests in the past 2.5 yrs. Rahul Chahar has a higher ceiling, but have Gopal in for him now. Gopal's bowling has gotten better in 50- and 20-over matches, he bats well (scores at a SR of nearly 100 in List A) and fields well.

 

Have Iyer instead of Vihari. Although a No. 3 does not have to be a power hitter, I cannot see Vihari playing the modern ODI game. He would have been well-suited for the early 2000s (and before).

 

No matter what teams we propose, what we will get is this (especially against our whipping boys SL): Dhawan, Rohit, Kohli, Shankar, Dhoni, Pandya, DK, Bhuvi, Bumrah, Shami/Kuldeep, Chahal. Let's just resign ourselves to the inevitable.

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