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This is where Indian Cricket might turn into the Circus thats too common in Pakistani Cricket. Player groupings and all.

 

Don't think its true though. There might be some resentment within the team but nothing as mentioned in the article.

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2 hours ago, beetle said:

These kind of rumours start after every major loss.

To be honest this was expected as India had so many issues running upto the WC since South Africa tour.

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12 minutes ago, Nikola said:

i doubt even pandya himself rates him as much as you rate him.

To be honest players don't rate themselves highly at times .It's the part of think tank, who  needs to back them up like Sehwag never rated himself as a opener,but Ganguly backed hin.Not saying Pandya is fit for captaincy 

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11 minutes ago, nevada said:

Reports of rift between Kumble and Kohli were initially dismissed as rumor but we know how that turned out. 

Kohli fans like @Cricketics blamed Kumble for that CT decision to bat 2nd.It was clear now than Kohli is stubborn and makes these decisions which caused the rift with another big star like Kumble. Kumble also hinted that he was against batting 2nd in that game. Shastri is just a glorified errand boy who is there to take the heat off of Kohli's decisions. in fact sympathize with Shastri a bit.

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3 minutes ago, maniac said:

Kohli fans like @Cricketics blamed Kumble for that CT decision to bat 2nd.It was clear now than Kohli is stubborn and makes these decisions which caused the rift with another big star like Kumble. Kumble also hinted that he was against batting 2nd in that game. Shastri is just a glorified errand boy who is there to take the heat off of Kohli's decisions. in fact sympathize with Shastri a bit.

I don't blame Kumble just alone. I blame all. It's part of management too right? If we don't blame management, they will continue to be yes man and India will keep getting screwed. They are not their just to collect paychecks, we want improvement, or else fire them. 

 

Similarly, here too Shastri needs to be blamed along with Captain Kohli. It's a joint decision by captain and coach, so both need to be blamed.  

 

Stop bringing Kumble here and drift away from the topic. 

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3 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

I don't blame Kumble just alone. I blame all. It's part of management too right? If we don't blame management, they will continue to be yes man and India will keep getting screwed. They are not their just to collect paychecks, we want improvement, or else fire them. 

 

Similarly, here too Shastri needs to be blamed along with Captain Kohli. It's a joint decision by captain and coach, so both need to be blamed.  

 

Stop bringing Kumble here and drift away from the topic. 

The reason there was a yes man at the helm was because of the captain. The last time there was no Yes man there was a rift between captain and coach. You need to pick what do you want a Yes man or a leader?

 

It is clear that the power centre in Indian cricket right now is with the captain not with the coach and there is no BCCI anymore. So yes Captain gets the blame. Shastri is the guy who takes the heat and that's why he is there in the first place.

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5 minutes ago, maniac said:

The reason there was a yes man at the helm was because of the captain. The last time there was no Yes man there was a rift between captain and coach. You need to pick what do you want a Yes man or a leader?

 

It is clear that the power centre in Indian cricket right now is with the captain not with the coach and there is no BCCI anymore. So yes Captain gets the blame. Shastri is the guy who takes the heat and that's why he is there in the first place.

So what the heck you want, everyone here on ICF wants Kohli to give captaincy to someone else. Everyone also here wants Shastri to be sacked because he looks utter BS with the interviews he gives and seems to be better suited for commentary than help Indian team, but you seem to try to start a topic, intact many topics but not have a solution and are kind of suggesting that we need to stick with Shastri and just leave out Kohli.

 

You sir are confused. Shastri needs to go too now. 

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5 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

So what the heck you want, everyone here on ICF wants Kohli to give captaincy to someone else. Everyone also here wants Shastri to be sacked because he looks utter BS with the interviews he gives and seems to be better suited for commentary than help Indian team, but you seem to try to start a topic, intact many topics but not have a solution and are kind of suggesting that we need to stick with Shastri and just leave out Kohli.

 

You sir are confused. Shastri needs to go too now. 

If anything all of your posts are confused. He is clear in his viewpoint about power being entirely concentrated in the hands of captain.

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1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

So what the heck you want, everyone here on ICF wants Kohli to give captaincy to someone else. Everyone also here wants Shastri to be sacked because he looks utter BS with the interviews he gives and seems to be better suited for commentary than help Indian team, but you seem to try to start a topic, intact many topics but not have a solution and are kind of suggesting that we need to stick with Shastri and just leave out Kohli.

 

You sir are confused. Shastri needs to go too now. 

No both need to go. Kohli the captain only of course duh.

 

India was never a coach or team mgmnt centric team like England

 

However first we need to figure out where the power centre lies. back in the day it was BCCI who was the boss. even Sachin,Kumble,Dravid,Ganguly were not bigger than that. They all lost captaincy after BCCI intervened except may be Kumble who retired.

 

Then the power centre was with Dhoni on cricket related affairs with BCCI (Seeni Mama) being the ultimate authority.

 

Right now there is no BCCI. Coach is a dummy, so the power lies with the captain. Since this captain faield.You need to bring in a captain who makes the right decisions.

 

As far as coach goes, our coaches have always been the guys who work well in the background like Wright, Kirsten and dare I say Fletcher.

 

Simple get a captain who calls the right shots (in the current environment) and bring a coach who can work with the team on a cricketing level. Not a guy who is drunk and is there to talk big and walk around with alcohol bottles all over town.

 

Also have a back up plan and groom the next captain like England did with Root or Nzl with Williamson. India did that with Kohli too but it didn't work so can't blame Indian management there.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, maniac said:

 

Simple get a captain who calls the right shots (in the current environment) and bring a coach who can work with the team on a cricketing level. Not a guy who is drunk and is there to talk big and walk around with alcohol bottles all over town.

 

 

 

I have been always a fan of Tom Moody and in front of gore guys, our captains stay grounded for some reason and probably have more respect to hear their opinion and understand the logic as our captains get different opinion from an overseas coach then they will get from someone who has played for India, like Shastri did. 

 

Anyways, next World Cup is in India, we might stick to some Indian coach now. Wish Dravid could take up role as a coach and can groom some younger guy as captain. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

 

I have been always a fan of Tom Moody and in front of gore guys, our captains stay grounded for some reason and probably have more respect to hear their opinion and understand the logic as our captains get different opinion from an overseas coach then they will get from someone who has played for India, like Shastri did. 

 

Anyways, next World Cup is in India, we might stick to some Indian coach now. Wish Dravid could take up role as a coach and can groom some younger guy as captain. 

 

 

I still don't get it. You want Kohli to stay or go? itna ghooma phira ke kyon bol rahe ho?

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24 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

I don't blame Kumble just alone. I blame all. It's part of management too right? If we don't blame management, they will continue to be yes man and India will keep getting screwed. They are not their just to collect paychecks, we want improvement, or else fire them. 

 

Similarly, here too Shastri needs to be blamed along with Captain Kohli. It's a joint decision by captain and coach, so both need to be blamed.  

 

Stop bringing Kumble here and drift away from the topic. 

Kohli did all sorts of r***i rona to bring Shastri .He wanted Yes man more than anything else.Don't go by Kohli's WC image of being soft as dove ...He is still stubborn as mule and will keep making India lose as long as we have him at helm.

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IMO, WC2019 was the milestone in the “process” to not make any changes. The selectors panel is anyway completing its term...

I’m expecting BCCI to make changes now. Kohli and Shastri will be on notice now... I hope BCCI make a technical committee to analyse the WC performance, make a report and suggest future course of action...

 

Its very important to remove the Bollywood influence on Indian Captaincy role...

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5 minutes ago, maniac said:

I still don't get it. You want Kohli to stay or go? itna ghooma phira ke kyon bol rahe ho?

Stop over reacting. Kohli has to go, I have created the whole contradiction thread on him.. Shastri has to go too. And they might as well take Bangar with them. 

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5 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

 

I have been always a fan of Tom Moody and in front of gore guys, our captains stay grounded for some reason and probably have more respect to hear their opinion and understand the logic as our captains get different opinion from an overseas coach then they will get from someone who has played for India, like Shastri did. 

 

Anyways, next World Cup is in India, we might stick to some Indian coach now. Wish Dravid could take up role as a coach and can groom some younger guy as captain. 

 

 

After Kumble fiasco Dravid or any self respect player wont dare to coach india as long as Kohli is there 

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On 12/24/2018 at 4:48 PM, Trichromatic said:

KL Rahul joined cornerstone in late 2017.

 

Before joining cornerstone, he was averaging 45-46 in 20 matches and yet there was uncertainity about his place in team.

 

After joining cornerstone - averaging 22 in 12 matches and is a regular now.

 

@jalebi_bhai @Malcolm Merlyn

 

49 minutes ago, WeStMiDz said:

So the article mentions a bias for KL Rahul. Yet for months on here people were crying that Kohli hates Rahul and won't give him a chance. Make your mind up. 

Look at the above quote. KL Rahul was very good in tests and not a regular for initial few years, then joined Bunty's agency and has been a regular since despite poor performance.

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fire kohli from LOI captaincy and we will once again start winning tournaments.

 

but kohli is such a mental fuker that he might throw a hissy fit and threaten suicide , so BCCI dont wana upset the little kid

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3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Such nonsense creep up when team looses. If such was the case it wud have been evident like recently it was evident with KKR.

IF anything i admire about this team is the respect they have for each other 

Feels like you just started  following Indian cricket, else you would have understood the reason for distress by fans, who follow Indian cricket regularly .Not saying People don't appreciate the team ,but evident "choke" in knockouts states deep issues within the team and TM itself . 

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24 minutes ago, Stuge said:

Feels like you just started  following Indian cricket, else you would have understood the reason for distress by fans, who follow Indian cricket regularly .Not saying People don't appreciate the team ,but evident "choke" in knockouts states deep issues within the team and TM itself . 

What ????

Choke = team issue 

 

Have heard this 1st time.....looks like u started following  cricket all toghter just now . SA n Nz have been choking since ages....yet u wud hardly hear team issues. Pak team has always had grouping issues yet they have tournaments unlike those 2 . 

Distress by fans is nothing be it indian or pakistan fans. Media is the same.....one loss ull hear these things which even happened when pakistan lost to india. Also news were even floating when england was loosing that team was not happy with archer inclusion . Pattern is same among media reaction to looses 

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5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

What ????

Choke = team issue 

 

Have heard this 1st time.....looks like u started following  cricket all toghter just now . SA n Nz have been choking since ages....yet u wud hardly hear team issues. Pak team has always had grouping issues yet they have tournaments unlike those 2 . 

Distress by fans is nothing be it indian or pakistan fans. Media is the same.....one loss ull hear these things which even happened when pakistan lost to india. Also news were even floating when england was loosing that team was not happy with archer inclusion . Pattern is same among media reaction to looses 

So we don't choke ? Is that term specifically related to South Africa ? 

 

We are playing like South Africans or NZ  in ICC tournaments  ,who.will reach later stages of the tournament easily , but will fail to.cross  the line . Definately a sign of choke team.

 

You never know NZ might choke again in finals,but the term is only reserved for poor Africans.

 

 

We not abusing them..gali thodi deer rahe hain ..Why are we comparing ourselves to Pakistan ? why can't we have constructive criticism ? or do you want lovely dovely messages .

 

 

 

 

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What is this Sharma's faction? This jobber should consider himself lucky that he is still playing for India. No player had got this kind of backing in Indian cricket and yet, he has the galls to create rifts in the middle of a WC? Who were the other jobbers who were backing him? :phehe: I'd love to know the names. 

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