Who will be your 4, 5, 6 & 7 moving forward?

[prudent_kreeda]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

4. Gill. .... give him a looong run

5. Pant  ( wk )

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja. 

     Good one . Only change i would like Hardik at #5 and Pant at #6.

[express bowling]

9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Gill is an opener and batted at #3 for INdia U19.

 

Every good or potentially good batsman, trying to be a top 3 ODI batter,  is what is making our middle order so weak.

 

Gill has batted at No.3 and can easily bat at No.4 too. He has the game to do it.  He plays spinners well and can rotate the strike 

Edited July 13, 2019 by express bowling

[SecondSlip]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

4. Gill. .... give him a looong run

5. Pant  ( wk )

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja. 

Jadeja has batted at #7 for years yet achieved nothing. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, SecondSlip said:

Jadeja has batted at #7 for years yet achieved nothing. 

 

Very true ... but the Manjrekar medicine seems to have awakened the triple triple-centurion batting beast, as seen in the SF.   

 

We need to see whether it was a flash in the pan performance or there is some genuine mental hurdle crossing. 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

Very true ... but the Manjrekar medicine seems to have awakened the triple triple-centurion batting beast, as seen in the SF.   

 

We need to see whether it was a flash in the pan performance or there is some genuine mental hurdle crossing. 

 

 

Actually that and also he had time ....he has failed at 7 coz he is not the batsman who can go bang bang form ball -1....he needs time . Even his other good knocks in Odi has come when he had time . As a batsman he wud have done better in Odi's had he batted at 5 but there wud always be better batsman avl then him

[bowl_out]

4. Gill

5. Shankar

6. Pant/Samson

7. Pandya

8. Jadeja

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Actually that and also he had time ....he has failed at 7 coz he is not the batsman who can go bang bang form ball -1....he needs time . Even his other good knocks in Odi has come when he had time . As a batsman he wud have done better in Odi's had he batted at 5 but there wud always be better batsman avl then him

 

Let's see. 

 

If we can play Pandya at 6 and Jadeja at 7 then it allows us 6 bowling options,  5 frontline bowlers and the option to play 3 specialist pacers and 2 specialist spinners.

 

With some low key ODI series coming up, we can afford to check if Jadeja has made some progress in this area.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

Let's see. 

 

If we can play Pandya at 6 and Jadeja at 7 then it allows us 6 bowling options,  5 frontline bowlers and the option to play 3 specialist pacers and 2 specialist spinners.

 

With some low key ODI series coming up, we can afford to check if Jadeja has made some progress in this area.

for me if we have to use jadeja it has to be at 5 but yea their are better batsman then him at 5 thats the problem

I wud stick with shankar. Cant give up on youngsters after just 2 failures....anyways 6th bowler shud be more of a batsman then bowler 

[velu]

We need Dhoni to guide these youngsters

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Just now, velu said:

We need Dhoni to guide these youngsters

Set to play in Ipl next year amidst retirement rumors.

[zen]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

I wud stick with shankar. Cant give up on youngsters after just 2 failures....anyways 6th bowler shud be more of a batsman then bowler 

A 28 yrs old youngster! Will be 29 soon. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, zen said:

A 28 yrs old youngster! Will be 29 soon. 

is that an age of retirement ???

Sachin was a senior to laxman ,dravid, ganguly , kumble and they were same age

Its not about age at international level he is a youngster 

[express bowling]

54 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

for me if we have to use jadeja it has to be at 5 but yea their are better batsman then him at 5 thats the problem

 

After the SF, Jadeja is bound to get a few chances at 7 or 8.   I prefer 7.

 

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..anyways 6th bowler shud be more of a batsman then bowler 

 

The 6th bowler would be Pandya, who is more of a batsman than a bowler.  I want him to bat at 6. 

Edited July 13, 2019 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

After the SF, Jadeja is bound to get a few chances at 7 or 8.   I prefer 7.

I feel if he goes at 7 same will happen.....most days he wont get time and his failures wud repeat. I do hope it doesnt happen and he keeps repeating what he did against NZ coz he is a gr8 package 

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

The 6th bowler would be Pandya, who is more of a batsman than a bowler.  I want him at 6. 

In subcontinent pandya shud be 6th bowler but overseas he shud be 5th and his bowling has come a long way 

[ungboysj]

I think Indian selection have been too methodical they need to have some creative picks

For next 2 years top 3 of kohli Dhawan Rohit shall continue but mostly restedt

 

These players have to be thrown in and see who is best give everyone 10-15 innings and then select best 4 players and later decide batting order even kohli and Rohit position can be changed for team

Emphasis should be on Stoke makers who can play good cricketing shots and big shots too

 

Shaw

Gill

Pant

Rana

Pandya

Samson (purely on ability) 

Ishan kishan(purely on ability) 

Iyer

[zen]

39 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

is that an age of retirement ???

Sachin was a senior to laxman ,dravid, ganguly , kumble and they were same age

Its not about age at international level he is a youngster 

It is usually about age. While a youngsters can be a “seen” as a senior (overachiever) based on international experience (say started out as a teenager), an older player cannot be a youngster based on lack of international experience. Players can make their debut at 30 but are unlikely to be referred as youngsters. Correct term is “new player”. Parthia Shaw, Gill, Pant, etc., are youngsters. Mayank Agarwal (28 yrs old too) is not 

Edited July 13, 2019 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

It is usually about age.

 that is an age where batsman generally hits his peak 

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While a youngsters can be a “seen” as a senior based on international experience (say started out as a teenager), an older player cannot be a youngster based on lack of international experience. Players can make their debut at 30 but are unlikely to be referred as youngsters. Correct term is “new player”. Parthia Shaw, Gill, Pant, etc., are youngsters. Mayank Agarwal (28 yrs old too) is not 

watever term u wanna use.....point is u cant give up on a new player in 2 games 

Edited July 13, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[GolGappe]

When Dhoni goes, middle order will auto-settle.

 

KL will be asked to go to 4. Pant and Hardik will marshal 5 and 6. Jadeja will get lot of mileage out of his semi-final knock and will probably slot in at number 7. This allows captain to play 4 regular bowlers and rely on Jadeja and Pandya to cover 5th bowler's quota. All of these guys are young enough to go on till the next world cup. There are enough back-up options available to cover all of these slots with Gill, Iyer, Vijay, Ishan, Krunal etc as long as team management and selectors show bit of vision and handle these young players properly.

 

I am not giving up on wrist spinners. They have a huge role to play. Kuldeep needs to get over this slump. He is a reliable fielder and knows how to hold a bat. Chahal is just hopeless. Good bowler but completely useless in other 2 dimensions. Captain shouldn't have to worry about hiding a fielder who is under 30 in this era of competitive cricket.

 

Everybody knew India had serious middle order issues after Yuvi and Raina lost their mojo and Dhoni's technical limitations got severely exposed but India think tank completely muddled the situation and just bet on top 3 bailing India out every time.

 

India will face similar dilemma for the next world cup with the top 3 approaching or passing 35. Kohli is supremely fit but other 2 worry me and given the culture of hero-worship in Indian cricket fraternity, I don't expect selectors to make any bold decisions. Neither Dhawan nor Rohit have a textbook technique and rely greatly on hand-to-eye coordination and brute power. These reflexes begin to slow rapidly as you approach mid 30's.

 

Fast bowling is bit of an unknown. Bumrah is solid. Can Bhuvi and Shami be relied upon to form the core of next world cup's squad? Saini looks promising but hasn't gotten any opportunities. Nobody else has really grabbed my attention from the reserves. Mavi and Nagarkoti are no where on the radar.
 

 

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