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If we have Shaw open with Rohit and Kohli is at 3 and Shubman at 4c, are we then planning to kick Rahul out?

 

Whats your verdict on Rahul?

 

Would you like for him to be given a much longer run at 4 or 5 or just kept as reserve and wait for his chance? 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Cricketics said:

If we have Shaw open with Rohit and Kohli is at 3 and Shubman at 4c, are we then planning to kick Rahul out?

 

Whats your verdict on Rahul?

 

Would you like for him to be given a much longer run at 4 or 5 or just kept as reserve and wait for his chance? 

 

 

Wait.  Has Dhawan retired ?:hmmmm2:

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Rahul should be dropped from both tests and ODIs as he lacks focus and hunger for success in these formats.

 

T20 is the only format that seems to suit him 

+1

 

In ODIs and Tests, his body language resembles a headless chicken against half decent bowling attack.

 

 

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4 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Whether they succeed or not, Rahul needs to be removed from tests and ODIs.

 

 

Not really, need to have right perspective.  he has done well enough for a 14 ODI old batsman without playing a single ODI in last one year.  He scored more runs than Dhoni and Kohli in their first WC. probably most by any Indian batsman with less than 20 ODIs under his belt.  Regarding test, he should be moved down to middle order.

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How have ppl easily assumed that Dhawan career is over ??? Forget Rahul how does shaw come infront of Dhawan

Rahul hasnt badly in Wc ....so need to drop him. Finally after a tough he seems to be getting better so why not back him. This is where somene like ganguly n dhoni made player.....they didnt drop players when they started to find some confidence. Anyways he ll be dropped as test series comes. One thing with rahul- he needs to be told for sure what his role is - opener or no.4......and then even if dhawan looses his place Rahul wud be number - 4 

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33 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Not really, need to have right perspective.  he has done well enough for a 14 ODI old batsman without playing a single ODI in last one year.  He scored more runs than Dhoni and Kohli in their first WC. probably most by any Indian batsman with less than 20 ODIs under his belt.  Regarding test, he should be move down to middle order.

 

Looking at just the runs scored in LOIs is not the correct perspective.

 

Rahul batted at a very low SR of 77 to achieve scoring the 361 runs from 9 matches in this WC.  Moreover, this WC has featured more matches than most WCs because of the unusually long league stage. So, the cumulative runs have to be seen from that perspective too.

 

Rahul  has been playing international cricket for a long time ... and his attitude and hunger for success keep on disappointing.  We need players with the right attitude.

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Sack Rahul. I have not seen a opener like him in a long time representing India who is just so much tentative and his mind so much clouded that he does not looks settled even after hitting an half century off 70 odd balls. 

 

Maybe because of Dhongi baba virus

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The ball which he got out was most innocuous delivery ,just straight ball with some bounce yet he nicked it shown what a garbage player he is ,just scoring against bangladesh, srilanka with pathetic Sr and failed against big teams eng,nz .actually he has scored most soft runs entire tourney. He is f@@# 27 and must be his peak .when will he start performing  at 35:facepalm:

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12 minutes ago, Lannister said:

He should be the first choice opener starting next series. Dhawan/Sharma will be 35+ by the next WC. They already played in 2 WCs, had their chance and it's time to move on. 

     At present form and the confidence with which he is playing , he cannot be our opener.  

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8 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

     At present form and the confidence with which he is playing , he cannot be our opener.  

I doubt if he will make it to the toyger's playing 11 as as opener. 

Tamim and Soumya Sarkar are more intimidating than this timid tentative kid.

 

We certainly have better batsmen than him.  Give Shubman Gill and Shaw 5-10 matches , they will show more confidence than KL.

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2 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

     At present form and the confidence with which he is playing , he cannot be our opener.  

He was averaging over 50 in this WC before NZ game. You want to know how Sharma was performing in the first part of his career? Rahul, Agarwal and Shaw should be the regulars over the next few years. 

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4 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

I doubt if he will make it to the toyger's playing 11 as as opener. 

Tamim and Soumya Sarkar are more intimidating than this timid tentative kid.

 

We certainly have better batsmen than him.  Give Shubman Gill and Shaw 5-10 matches , they will show more confidence than KL.

     Frankly India will be in a catch -22 situation re: opening bats unless either of Dhawan /Rohit lose form soon. At present both will not be dropped , yet India needs to develop 2 openers for WC 2023.  If they do not do , we will  be caught napping in 2023 . Interesting times !. 

Selectors' role would be critical here . They should have a clear time line for the transition. 

> Identify 2 best bets as new openers .

> Select only one of Rohit/Dhawan for all matches where opposition is not ENG, AUD , NZ

> Play one new opener alternatively in every future series while other opener should be rotated between Rohit /Dhawan till both of these performing.

Once Dhawan/Rohit starts failing include both new openers .Both openers should play once series is won in bi-laterls .  

Post WT20 , could be time where one of mostly Dhawan  could be ignored for selection.

But for that selectors need to have Guts . 

 

 

Shaw looks more suited for opening than Gill . Plus Gill at #4  could be a better bet than Shaw at #4. 

Should give a try at opening with Mayank.

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18 minutes ago, Lannister said:

He was averaging over 50 in this WC before NZ game. You want to know how Sharma was performing in the first part of his career? Rahul, Agarwal and Shaw should be the regulars over the next few years. 

    Keep aside all these avarages . How much confidence he gives you as opener right now if bowling is a notch above . Not saying never consider him . Ideal time is when he gets into peak form thtoigh domestics , make it to Test team , play the way he was paying in 2016 . 

Then you consider him for opening position. He is getting chances rather too easily as of now . Let him earn it . 

 

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2 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

     Frankly India will be in a catch -22 situation re: opening bats unless either of Dhawan /Rohit lose form soon. At present both will not be dropped , yet India needs to develop 2 openers for WC 2023.  If they do not do , we will  be caught napping in 2023 . Interesting times !. 

Selectors' role would be critical here . They should have a clear time line for the transition. 

> Identify 2 best bets as new openers .

> Select only one of Rohit/Dhawan for all matches where opposition is not ENG, AUD , NZ

> Play one new opener alternatively in every future series while other opener should be rotated between Rohit /Dhawan till both of these performing.

Once Dhawan/Rohit starts failing include both new openers .Both openers should play once series is won in bi-laterls .  

Post WT20 , could be time where one of mostly Dhawan  could be ignored for selection.

But for that selectors need to have Guts . 

 

 

Shaw looks more suited for opening than Gill . Plus Gill at #4  could be a better bet than Shaw at #4. 

Should give a try at opening with Mayank.

 

 

Agree with most points.  Only thing is, Rohit is too big a name to be rested from LOIs, keeping in mind the bigger picture, if he is performing.  In fact, he may keep on playing even when he loses ability.

 

Sacrificing Dhawan ( even though it will be grossly unfair to him ) with a view to building a good team for 2023 ... and trying both Shaw and Mayank by rotation as openers ... maybe a more executable step in Indian cricket.

 

Kohli at 3 and Gill at 4 look ideal to me. Then Pant, Pandya and Jadeja.

 

We need to try Saini immediately from the WI tour as a permanent fixture. Can be a good wicket taking bowler in the first 10 overs even on slower pitches, because of his combination of high pace, accuracy and seam movement. 

 

And we need to try both Mavi and Nagarkoti when they recover.  

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6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Agree with most points.  Only thing is, Rohit is too big a name to be rested from LOIs, keeping in mind the bigger picture, if he is performing.  In fact, he may keep on playing even when he loses ability.

 

Sacrificing Dhawan ( even though it will be grossly unfair to him ) with a view to building a good team for 2023 ... and trying both Shaw and Mayank by rotation as openers ... maybe a more executable step in Indian cricket.

 

Kohli at 3 and Gill at 4 look ideal to me. Then Pant, Pandya and Jadeja.

 

We need to try Saini immediately from the WI tour as a permanent fixture. Can be a good wicket taking bowler in the first 10 overs even on slower pitches, because of his combination of high pace, accuracy and seam movement. 

 

And we need to try both Mavi and Nagarkoti when they recover.  

     Thats why i said catch -22 ..   Both are too big a player to be ignored . Dhawan may even surprise us as he is more fitter than 

     Rohith . 

     But earmarking them for WC2023 is very scary  ...  both around 38..  and what will be indian fileding then .

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2 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Before wondering where Rahul fit lets first see if Shaw and Gill fit ODI team. 

     For that you need to play them for 12-15 matches and if you persist with Rahul they cannot come in. Then only we will know .

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Just now, prudent_kreeda said:

     For that you need to play them for 12-15 matches and if you presist with Rahul they cannot come in. Then only we will know .

why not ? they can come at 3 and 4

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28 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

  Keep aside all these avarages . How much confidence he gives you as opener right now if bowling is a notch above .

The same can be said about other players as well. How much confidence did Sharma give when playing in blowing conditions? Just look at what happened in the Semifinals. A little bit of outswing and that's it. The reason he was never able achieve the status of a Test batsmen. The same can be said about Dhawan as well. 

 

34 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

Not saying never consider him . Ideal time is when he gets into peak form thtoigh domestics , make it to Test team , play the way he was paying in 2016 . 

Then you consider him for opening position. He is getting chances rather too easily as of now . Let him earn it . 

Why do you want someone to earn his ODI spot through Test performance? So far Rahul has done well with the limited opportunities he got in ODIs and should rightly be persisted keeping the next WC in mind. 

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45 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

     Frankly India will be in a catch -22 situation re: opening bats unless either of Dhawan /Rohit lose form soon. At present both will not be dropped , yet India needs to develop 2 openers for WC 2023.  If they do not do , we will  be caught napping in 2023 . Interesting times !. 

Selectors' role would be critical here . They should have a clear time line for the transition. 

> Identify 2 best bets as new openers .

> Select only one of Rohit/Dhawan for all matches where opposition is not ENG, AUD , NZ

> Play one new opener alternatively in every future series while other opener should be rotated between Rohit /Dhawan till both of these performing.

Once Dhawan/Rohit starts failing include both new openers .Both openers should play once series is won in bi-laterls .  

Post WT20 , could be time where one of mostly Dhawan  could be ignored for selection.

But for that selectors need to have Guts . 

 

 

Shaw looks more suited for opening than Gill . Plus Gill at #4  could be a better bet than Shaw at #4. 

Should give a try at opening with Mayank.

There is no point in continuing with Sharma and Dhawan. They are only good at one format and so far, that's not been enough for India to win ICC tournaments. And also they are old, so let them stick to IPL. It's time to move on. 

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2 minutes ago, Lannister said:

There is no point in continuing with Sharma and Dhawan. They are only good at one format and so far, that's not been enough for India to win ICC tournaments. And also they are old, so let them stick to IPL. It's time to move on. 

  Agree . But what has happened with MSD , same thing may repeat . Difficult to dislodge as they will their power centres.  

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3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

How have ppl easily assumed that Dhawan career is over ??? Forget Rahul how does shaw come infront of Dhawan

Rahul hasnt badly in Wc ....so need to drop him. Finally after a tough he seems to be getting better so why not back him. This is where somene like ganguly n dhoni made player.....they didnt drop players when they started to find some confidence. Anyways he ll be dropped as test series comes. One thing with rahul- he needs to be told for sure what his role is - opener or no.4......and then even if dhawan looses his place Rahul wud be number - 4 

Dhawan's career is not over but he will be 37 by 2023, so, he has max 2 years and we dont want Dhoni like situation again.  We need gill and shaw or some other opener in the mix as well. give them enough games and experience before next WC.

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3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Looking at just the runs scored in LOIs is not the correct perspective.

 

Rahul batted at a very low SR of 77 to achieve scoring the 361 runs from 9 matches in this WC.  Moreover, this WC has featured more matches than most WCs because of the unusually long league stage. So, the cumulative runs have to be seen from that perspective too.

 

Rahul  has been playing international cricket for a long time ... and his attitude and hunger for success keep on disappointing.  We need players with the right attitude.

in 2015 and 2011 WC India played 9 games, this WC too India played 9 games.  So number of games are same or similar.  Regarding SR, guy who had not played a single ODI in last one year suddenly asked to open who was not even in counting for WC squad, unsure of his place, you cant expect him to blast his way.  We also dont know whether he did it intentionally or it was a team plan because of weak middle order, opener had to be more cautious.  

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11 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

in 2015 and 2011 WC India played 9 games, this WC too India played 9 games.  So number of games are same or similar.  Regarding SR, guy who had not played a single ODI in last one year suddenly asked to open who was not even in counting for WC squad, unsure of his place, you cant expect him to blast his way.  We also dont know whether he did it intentionally or it was a team plan because of weak middle order, opener had to be more cautious.  

Is he opener or middle order batsman?. He has played  his entire cricket  as an opener. I never get Rahul's fan point when he was failing at 4 they were moaning, he should have played as an opneror he can exploit the pp,when he got the opportunity to bat at top order,they are again fuming ,he should have played at 4 :(( aaj exactly  baata do perfect position for GOAT  Rahul 

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5 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

KL Rahul is a meek mental midget. He needs someone to click so he can support. With the number of chances he has been given, if he had it in him, it would have shown. He does not belong to the international ODI or Test arena for a team of the stature of India 

Agree fully.

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I say play Shaw and Shubman at 4 and 5 at this point.

 

even Sehwag , Ganguly and Tendu played in middle order in early part of their career.

 

They can earn their slot  after sometime. First make use of the existing opportunities to do the best.My team for ODIs

 

Rohit

Shikar

Kohli

Shaw

Shubman Gill

Pant

Pandya

JaDeja/ Bhuvi

Shami

Bumrah

Xyz

 

Shreyas Iyer should also be in the mix as no.4.

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I firmly believe he has no place in the main formats. He is not suited to bowling friendly wickets. Technically weak & mentally weak... the 2 qualities required to be successful for an all conditional all  match situation opener.

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2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

in 2015 and 2011 WC India played 9 games, this WC too India played 9 games.  So number of games are same or similar.  Regarding SR, guy who had not played a single ODI in last one year suddenly asked to open who was not even in counting for WC squad, unsure of his place, you cant expect him to blast his way.  We also dont know whether he did it intentionally or it was a team plan because of weak middle order, opener had to be more cautious.  

 

We played 8 games in 2015.

 

And his attitude is what makes me uncomfortable.

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7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

How have ppl easily assumed that Dhawan career is over ??? Forget Rahul how does shaw come infront of Dhawan

Rahul hasnt badly in Wc ....so need to drop him. Finally after a tough he seems to be getting better so why not back him. This is where somene like ganguly n dhoni made player.....they didnt drop players when they started to find some confidence. Anyways he ll be dropped as test series comes. One thing with rahul- he needs to be told for sure what his role is - opener or no.4......and then even if dhawan looses his place Rahul wud be number - 4 

Not assuming, just general perspective if we end up trying them in first series in Windies where we know Dhawan is not going to be there because of injury and Kohli is rested, so surely Shubman and Shaw should start. 

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3 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Not assuming, just general perspective if we end up trying them in first series in Windies where we know Dhawan is not going to be there because of injury and Kohli is rested, so surely Shubman and Shaw should start. 

     In any case what are we loosing if we play them in WI.  These fellows need exposure on foreign conditions . In india they may make runs . Again what is that you do not know about Dhawan's batting, When needed use him. But we do not know much about these guys , will they make ir or not ? 

Gill is playing as an opener . But is ot the right place for him? Boy has been little inconsistent at international level though not a failure .Could he be a better fit in MO than opening. These are the things we will have to assess quickly.

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4 hours ago, Lannister said:

There is no point in continuing with Sharma and Dhawan. They are only good at one format and so far, that's not been enough for India to win ICC tournaments. And also they are old, so let them stick to IPL. It's time to move on. 

spot on .. from that time where we  had Sehwag,Gambhir,SRT,Sourav, Dravid,Dhoni  - 6   'both format batsmen', we had degraded to this. ...only i Virat and he  is some sort of negative influence in building an all format team.

 

Dhawan should be phased out with in 2 years time &  Rohit in 3.  We have to  keep that template  of Ganguly era  to develop an all conditional all situation batting unit.

 

Mayank,Shaw,Gill,Iyer,Pant, Anmolpreet,Vahari and a few promising left handed rookies should be  tried in a lot of matches moving forward to find out the perfect combination.

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2 hours ago, vijay50 said:

I say play Shaw and Shubman at 4 and 5 at this point.

 

even Sehwag , Ganguly and Tendu played in middle order in early part of their career.

 

They can earn their slot  after sometime. First make use of the existing opportunities to do the best.My team for ODIs

 

Rohit

Shikar

Kohli

Shaw

Shubman Gill

Pant

Pandya

JaDeja/ Bhuvi

Shami

Bumrah

Xyz

 

Shreyas Iyer should also be in the mix as no.4.

Mayank is too good a player to be discarded as such.

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Dhawan's career is not over but he will be 37 by 2023, so, he has max 2 years and we dont want Dhoni like situation again.  We need gill and shaw or some other opener in the mix as well. give them enough games and experience before next WC.

yes i understand that my complain is ppl want to replace him immediately which shudnt happen and knowing Indian cricket it wont even. 

 

24 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Not assuming, just general perspective if we end up trying them in first series in Windies where we know Dhawan is not going to be there because of injury and Kohli is rested, so surely Shubman and Shaw should start. 

Yes we shud specially with injuries.....but lets not make assumptions about that they will own the place. M not even pointing ur post .....its the general thing m seeing ppl have declared their 2023 side like now.....which is hilarious and most of them will not even have patience for 2 failures for either of these guys. All M saying lets go easy as it wud a transition which takes time .Taking Rahul example it self - he has gone through a tough year and when he finally showed signs of improvement ppl want to give up on him . These phases will happen with every youngster so this transition is a very delicate phase . 

 

About shubhman n Shaw....well ideally it shud shubhman n mayank since they are picked 1st in ODi then shaw and shaw is also injured so high chance it wud be Shubhman, mayank first for WI series

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2 hours ago, vijay50 said:

I say play Shaw and Shubman at 4 and 5 at this point.

 

even Sehwag , Ganguly and Tendu played in middle order in early part of their career.

 

They can earn their slot  after sometime. First make use of the existing opportunities to do the best.My team for ODIs

 

Rohit

Shikar

Kohli

Shaw

Shubman Gill

Pant

Pandya

JaDeja/ Bhuvi

Shami

Bumrah

Xyz

 

Shreyas Iyer should also be in the mix as no.4.

Dont make them bat so out of their position........Rahul had a far evolved game then shaw to bat at 4. Gill wud be wasted at 5 . 

And who is ur 6th bowler in that lineup .....u cant go in with only 5 bowlers 

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