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43 minutes ago, velu said:

 

anti-hindu , minority appeasing , anti development , commie , naxal rounded into a big dirty ball :(( 

That is not what liberal means.

That is a libtard.

 

 

Liberal means someone with more open mind.

Someone who is willing to accept behavior and views that are different from one's own.

Some one who is open to new ideas which does not mean disowning previous ideas.

 

 

Why do you guys use liberal in a negative sense?

Same with feminism. It means belief in equality of genders. But people use it a like an abuse.

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, beetle said:

Liberal means someone with more open mind.

Someone who is willing to accept behavior and views that are different from one's own.

Some one who is open to new ideas which does not mean disowning previous ideas.

 

i am liberal then :aha: 

 

6 minutes ago, beetle said:

Why do you guys use liberal in a negative sense?

Same with feminism. It means belief in equality of genders. But people use it a like an abuse.

 

liberal became a fashion statement for insecure injans .. many assume that they are liberals wrongly 

liberalism is totally against hierarchy/hereditary if i am not wrong , but all Indian liberals suck up to gnadhi family  

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It's an oxymoron, people of contradictions. On one hand, they want Secular India, when it's majority group. But it's religious India, when its minority group and thus, they dont want to integrate the minorities with country. These people make money by criticizing majority religion while offering a unofficial veto power to that one religious group.

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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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On 7/25/2019 at 12:26 PM, velu said:

@beetle  indian liberals dont support banning triple talaq ..

but its banned in many harcore muslim countries

There is a misunderstanding here. 

All Indian liberals were against the triple Talaq and were standing with the Muslim women on this Issue. 

But they are only opposing the Crime Bill which BJP want to implement as a law on triple Talaq. And my honest opinion is this that Liberals are absolutely right on this issue of bill. 

While BJP leadership either does not understand the issue of triple Talaq, or they have been intentionally trying to use this issue to bring hardships for the Muslim community. 

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pakistan banned it in 1956

syria , egypt , iraq, turkey , Bangladeshs ,, indomesia and many more countries banned it long back

 

Please try to understand that all these countries banned triple talaq, but none of them made it a criminal issue. BJP is unique in making it a criminal issue, which is against logic and justice. 

 

 

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On 7/25/2019 at 1:10 PM, velu said:

liberalism is totally against hierarchy/hereditary if i am not wrong , but all Indian liberals suck up to gnadhi family  

I may be due to the politics mainly, while there is no other good enough substitute in order to counter the BJP threat. Politics is a dirty game. 

Nevertheless, Liberals also elected AAP party too. These were not the RW who selected AAPP, but these were also the liberals. 

And again this is not the right wing who is selecting Communist party or other regional parties, but again these are the liberals basically who are electing them. 

 

The future of India is a Liberal, progressive, non-corrupt party, who can unite all types of Indians on their platform and bring India out of polarisation and hatred. 

 

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1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

Please try to understand that all these countries banned triple talaq, but none of them made it a criminal issue. BJP is unique in making it a criminal issue, which is against logic and justice. 

 

 

agree with criminalization part ..  but considering our jugaad culture people will misuse it ..

logically if something is banned , breaking that needs punishment :dontknow:

 

many laws are not in favor of men as well .. like dowry and rape laws where whatever women says will be taken as words from gods mouth ..

 

anywya dont underestimate the stupidity and idiocy of the indian liberals aka libtards ..  most  are against banning triple talaq as well in the name of religious freedom ..

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1 hour ago, velu said:

 

agree with criminalization part ..  but considering our jugaad culture people will misuse it ..

logically if something is banned , breaking that needs punishment :dontknow:

 

many laws are not in favor of men as well .. like dowry and rape laws where whatever women says will be taken as words from gods mouth ..

 

anywya dont underestimate the stupidity and idiocy of the indian liberals aka libtards ..  most  are against banning triple talaq as well in the name of religious freedom ..

Actually, I was also against this that Supreme Court bans the triple Talaq. 

I was all for this that Muslim women had to suffer the hardships of Sharia.

They should have either suffered it, or should have LEFT Islam to get rid of this suffering. They saw and felt clearly that Islam was not bringing justice to them, but still they kept on believing this same Allah who brought this injustice to them. 

Why they used supreme court to reform their personal religion? 

 

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On 7/25/2019 at 4:32 PM, beetle said:

That is not what liberal means.

........

 

Why do you guys use liberal in a negative sense?

Same with feminism. It means belief in equality of genders. But people use it a like an abuse.

 

 

 

 

Because many of these are kids (some in their 30s and 40s even) who live in in a intellectual cul-de-sac bordered by faux nationalism,  perceived threats along religious lines and a sense of patriotism magnified when they move out of India (even though they holler and scream if their rights are even sniffed at, far less violated, in said foreign countries) 

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On 7/25/2019 at 7:02 AM, beetle said:

That is not what liberal means.

That is a libtard.

 

 

Liberal means someone with more open mind.

Someone who is willing to accept behavior and views that are different from one's own.

Some one who is open to new ideas which does not mean disowning previous ideas.

 

 

Why do you guys use liberal in a negative sense?

Same with feminism. It means belief in equality of genders. But people use it a like an abuse.

 

 

 

 

You guys chose wrong influencers.

 

 

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8 hours ago, retired_hurt said:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

ROFL

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6 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

There is a misunderstanding here. All Indian liberals were against the triple Talaq and were standing with the Muslim women on this Issue. 

But they are only opposing the Crime Bill which BJP want to implement as a law on triple Talaq. And my honest opinion is this that Liberals are absolutely right on this issue of bill.

 

 

Congress are saying if in jail, the man cannot support his family, and that is one horrible reason. We do have criminality in dowry laws, or Hindu men marrying twice. Criminality part of the bill is the essential part to help the woman.

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On 7/25/2019 at 7:02 AM, beetle said:

Same with feminism. It means belief in equality of genders. But people use it a like an abuse.

While its true this is what it stands for. Majority of the feminists say it in a way to degrade men in order to make women feel superior. That to me is not equality. 

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57 minutes ago, someone said:

Congress are saying if in jail, the man cannot support his family, and that is one horrible reason. We do have criminality in dowry laws, or Hindu men marrying twice. Criminality part of the bill is the essential part to help the woman.

It would be a horrible mistake to equate the "dowry" with "divorce". 

Dowry is a crime right from the beginning, while divorce is a "right".  There may be some differences upon how to divorce, but for sure it could never come under the definition of crime. 

 

And after the orders of Supreme Court, triple talaq does not take place, even if any husband announces thousands of times this triple Talaq. Husband has to go through that procedure, which has been required by the Supreme Court. 

 

Nonetheless, as if wife leaves the house after a quarrel, or the husband leaves the wife after quarrel, none of this make it a criminal case. Similarly, if any husband is announcing triple talaq thousands of times in his anger, still he is not committing any crime as this divorce is not taking place. Similarly, a wife could also say thousand of times talaq talaq talaq, but it is also not a criminal offence. 

 

Moreover, the real reason of banning of triple talaq is not alimony, while it had already been previously stipulated by the Supreme Court that Muslim husband has to pay the alimony after the divorce in same way as any hindu husband has been paying. 

 

But the real reason for the banning of triple talaq was not to snatch away the right of husbands to divorce their wives, but it's main aim was  "Happy Return Home" for the wife. 

 

Muslim women were complaining that their husbands pronounce 3 times talaqs during quarrel in anger. After that Islamic talaq takes place and wife could not return to their husbands without HALALA. Therefore, almost no way had been left for those women to return to their husbands and children and families. 

 

This objective of "Happy Return Home" could not be achieved if BJP makes triple talaq a criminal case. Sending husbands in jails will not make families happy. 

 

On the other hand, after it has becomes a criminal offence, then wives are going to blackmail all their husbands who try to get rid of them. All of them will be blamed for triple talaq. 

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11 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

It would be a horrible mistake to equate the "dowry" with "divorce". 

Dowry is a crime right from the beginning, while divorce is a "right".  There may be some differences upon how to divorce, but for sure it could never come under the definition of crime. 

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I'm the furthest from a Modi supporter, but I do support this Supreme Court judgment.

 

For your comment, the point I'm making is that  IMO we can equate dowry with triple talaq from one perspective. 

 

In Hindu culture, dowry too was a concept good in intent.

 

It arose from the desire to give the woman a share in her father's property, to which she wouldn't have been otherwise entitled in a patriarchal system. 

 

It was called 'stridhan' (literally 'woman's wealth') and is a Hindu cultural tradition and also mentioned in Law. 

 

But what can sound meaningful in theory can become an entirely different thing in real life. 

 

Hence the laws against it.

 

  

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38 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

If ICF is to be believed, apparently everything/everyone is anti Hindu.

Indian Liberals

The media

Bollywood

Zomato

Snapdeal

Uber

The sun

Some even say the BJP

 

Add Dhoni haters as well :(( 

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2 hours ago, retired_hurt said:

Why do you think indian liberals are anti hindu?

 

for me the first sample of indian libtards are DMK and their cronies .. 

 

when kanimoli got released from 2G case , first thing she did is she went to tirupathi , came back and bashed balaji ( "whats the need for having the security for the god , if he is a god he dont need security " ) ..

there are so many samples..

 

in tn 

imho these libtards are taking advantage of muslims ( & Christians  ) because they dont have any alternative ..

bashing hindus/hindu religion in the majority muslim crowd is actually demeaning the muslims  .. and self proclaimed liberal party and savior of the periarism gave 0 seats to muslims out of 22/23 it contested 

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1 hour ago, velu said:

 

for me the first sample of indian libtards are DMK and their cronies .. 

 

when kanimoli got released from 2G case , first thing she did is she went to tirupathi , came back and bashed balaji ( "whats the need for having the security for the god , if he is a god he dont need security " ) ..

there are so many samples..

 

in tn 

imho these libtards are taking advantage of muslims ( & Christians  ) because they dont have any alternative ..

bashing hindus/hindu religion in the majority muslim crowd is actually demeaning the muslims  .. and self proclaimed liberal party and savior of the periarism gave 0 seats to muslims out of 22/23 it contested 

May be.

But liberals are not limited to this party/group only. 

While "all" the liberals are blamed to be anti-Hindu and Muslims appeasers. 

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6 hours ago, Mariyam said:

If ICF is to be believed, apparently everything/everyone is anti Hindu.

Indian Liberals

The media

Bollywood

Zomato

Snapdeal

Uber

The sun

Some even say the BJP

If world to be seen, if you bash Hindu, bash BJP, bash India, you will rewarded and be called a liberal.

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10 minutes ago, someone said:

If world to be seen, if you bash Hindu, bash BJP, bash India, you will rewarded and be called a liberal.

Hinduism:
It is not limited to Hinduism, but there has always been a conflict between liberalism and all the religions, either it is Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Hinduism. This conflict is natural. 

Modern liberalism supports feminism, supports LGBTs, clashes with old religious traditions and values of the family and the society. 

 

BJP:
I think it is very obvious. BJP is not a sacred cow. This clash is again 100% natural. 

 

India:

RW Hindus consider all liberals as traitor to India. 

RW Pakistanis consider all Pakistani Liberals to be traitors to Pakistan.

RW Americans (trump supporters) consider all liberal Americans to be traitors to US. 

What wrong did Liberal governments of Congress did that all of them became traitors to India? Did they hand over Kashmir to Pakistan during their government?

 

 

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BTW

 

It's funny how mohammadens who hallucinate communal angles in everything, lemurs who chimp out about Hindi signboards, and so-called  'atheists' who never miss a chance to whinge about imagined victimization are trying to trivialize legitimate grievances of Hindus. Shameless people  :facepalm:

Edited by Moochad

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12 hours ago, Mariyam said:

If ICF is to be believed, apparently everything/everyone is anti Hindu.

Indian Liberals

Selective outrage shown by them clearly proves they are anti-hindu. The narrative on lynchings when it is muslims v/s hindus proves the point. Award wapsi, Intolerance brigands, Open letters to voters to not vote for Modi, but then once elected, write love letters to Modi 

12 hours ago, Mariyam said:

The media

Same as above. With TimesNow and Republic there is some semblance, but they are anti-Hindu in some issues like Ayodhya, Sabarimala etc. 

12 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Bollywood

Proven with multiple movies, have soft targets to show bias on Hindus, Upper-caste Hindus and no guts to show Muslims in a bad light.

12 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Zomato

Double standards is so obvious.

12 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Snapdeal

I don't know how they were involved being Anti-hindu. Was it because of Snapchat maybe

12 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Uber

Libtards cancelling Uber looking at Rudra Hanuman,

12 hours ago, Mariyam said:

The sun

Some even say the BJP

BJP is taking Hindus for granted. All based on facts, not blind beliefs. 

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10 hours ago, Moochad said:

'Liberals'  are at: the screaming while no one cares stage, next is their slow death 

 

10 hours ago, Moochad said:

 

It's funny how mohammadens who hallucinate communal angles in everything, lemurs who chimp out about Hindi signboards, and so-called  'atheists' who never miss a chance to whinge about imagined victimization are trying to trivialize legitimate grievances of Hindus. Shameless people  :facepalm:

You are blaming Liberals and then Muslims and then Atheists.

 

But you forgot to mention Christians and Sikhs and all other Indian minorities who are fearing this rise of this militant Hinduism. 

 

Instead of blaming all upon others, it would be better to look at yourself too, and try to reform the wrongs that has been committed in name of your religion. 

 

Ghundagardi and lynching and hatred and power politics of fear are not the legitimate grievances of Hindus, but are the offensive tools of fanatic Hindus, through which they want to even usurp the basic human rights of all others. 

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21 hours ago, Mariyam said:

If ICF is to be believed, apparently everything/everyone is anti Hindu.

Indian Liberals

The media

Bollywood

Zomato

Snapdeal

Uber

The sun

Some even say the BJP

Add to this list the following too:

 

Muslims

 

Christians

 

Sikhs

 

All other minorities of India who fear this rise of militant Hinduism. 

 

I just hope that RW supporters could realise that they are bringing extreme polarisation to the Indian society. Ideally, religion should never enter the politics. Religion will always bring harm as a political tool. In a secular state like India, people should fight to form a corruption free and progressive Secular party which could unite all the Indians. 

 

Edited by Alam_dar

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3 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Add to this list the following too:

 

Muslims

 

Christians

 

Sikhs

 

All other minorities of India who fear this rise of militant Hinduism. 

 

I just hope that RW supporters could realise that they are bringing extreme polarisation to the Indian society. Ideally, religion should never enter the politics. Religion will always bring harm as a political tool. In a secular state like India, people should fight to form a corruption free and progressive Secular party which could unite all the Indians. 

 

 

I know what you did there :giggle:

Sikhs , jains and Buddhists are not anti-hindu or anti-hindu Indian ..

 

Hindus fear Muslims more than muslim fear abt Hindus :(( 

 

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1 hour ago, velu said:

 

I know what you did there :giggle:

Sikhs , jains and Buddhists are not anti-hindu or anti-hindu Indian ..

 

Hindus fear Muslims more than muslim fear abt Hindus :(( 

In BJP, Sikhs and Jains and Buddhists are not equal to Hindus. It is only Secular system in which people of all religions held equal positions. It is according to the human nature whenever one religion will get the political superiority, then all others will hate it. Sikhs and Buddhists and Jains could never be an exception to this. 

 

Although BJP got allied government in Punjab, but the rifts is already visible, where BJP leadership is trying to get Hindu hold in Punjab one way or another. Sikhs are also aware of this. 

 

The fear among Sikhs is so great that in this election Congress won 8 seats out of total 13 seats. Please read about these fears here:

 

https://thewire.in/politics/punjab-sikh-majority-shunned-modi-hindutva-congress

 

Ultimate goals of BJP could never change due to it's religious nature. It will go for Hindu dominance in whole India. It can never give Sikhism equal status, not even in Punjab. It will go for Hindi dominance. It will go for making India a Hindu State and demolishing the Secular constitution. 

 

 

 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

In BJP, Sikhs and Jains and Buddhists are not equal to Hindus. It is only Secular system in which people of all religions held equal positions. It is according to the human nature whenever one religion will get the political superiority, then all others will hate it. Sikhs and Buddhists and Jains could never be an exception to this. 

 

 

where are you getting  this stuff ? :confused:

customs we follow in our caste is bit a mixture of jainism+Hinduism , infact vast majority of the people in western tamilnadu and southern karnataka greatly influenced by  jainism ..

 

51 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

The fear among Sikhs is so great that in this election Congress won 8 seats out of total 13 seats. Please read about these fears here:

 

 

bjp + sad ruled punjab for years , if i go by your logic sikhs love bjp na ..

my guess is people were pissed of because of SADs no action on drugs :smokin:

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On 8/1/2019 at 6:18 AM, Mariyam said:

If ICF is to be believed, apparently everything/everyone is anti Hindu.

Indian Liberals

The media

Bollywood

Zomato

Snapdeal

Uber

The sun

Some even say the BJP

Could it be, RWers are just snowflakes? 

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1 hour ago, velu said:

 

Liberals are known for their snowflakeness :lol:

Learn to code :rotfl:

LMAO. Keep projecting sweetheart. We know how sensitive your fragile little soul is.

 

Code? 

Maybe learn to not be so sensitive and get offended by anything different.

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20 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

LMAO. Keep projecting sweetheart. We know how sensitive your fragile little soul is.

 

Who is we here ? You and your puppy :giggle:

Whole world knows who is sensitive . Who here refers not only you , in includes you as well as your libtard friends as well 

 

20 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

Code? 

Maybe learn to not be so sensitive and get offended by anything different.

 

Looks like you are not aware of global liberalism ,   you are living in your small libtard world then

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27 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

I mean you're the one who jumped on liberalism because I posed a question to the fragility of RWers.

 

Thanks for providing weight to the hypothesis.

 

Not sure what you posted . This thread is not a reaction to any of your posts .

 

If you meant that I reacted to your post in this thread , then I merely corrected your ignorance about your liberal brethren .

 

If you think liberals have a thick skin and not snowflakes , I don't want to burst your bubble . 

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26 minutes ago, velu said:

 

Not sure what you posted . This thread is not a reaction to any of your posts .

 

If you meant that I reacted to your post in this thread , then I merely corrected your ignorance about your liberal brethren .

 

If you think liberals have a thick skin and not snowflakes , I don't want to burst your bubble . 

Thank you for correcting me. Your reaction to my posts have displayed your wonderfully thick skin.

Have a nice day

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25 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

Thank you for correcting me. Your reaction to my posts have displayed your wonderfully thick skin.

Have a nice day

 

Gave heart reaction to your reply  :icflove: 

You seem to be a relatively smart snowflake for a liberal :giggle:

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