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Good move, barring the infiltration by Pak sponsored terrorists, - it's actually the backward class politicians from J&K who've been the biggest reason why that state is still stuck in the 19th century!

Those asshole JKLF & HC leaders have sent their children abroad, chant pro Pak slogans & get free everything using our money, I say * them & * them hard B->

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5 minutes ago, Asim said:

Modi making fool of himself thinking ind can do an israel... the fact is he is going to set whole india on fire...

One word! Ghantaa. I checked official terroririst count and was surprised to see that just 4 districts had count in double figures.

 

If you think 4 districts of J&k can keep whole of J&k and Laddakh hostage, Then its a dream like Osama Bin Laden dreamt of bringing America on its knees

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4 minutes ago, speedheat said:

Laddhakis will be very happy today they will no longer be called as Kashmiri's and will have their own identity.

Ladakhis never liked to be called Kashmiris? I know it's a Tibetan Buddhist majority region but never knew they disliked being called Kashmiris.

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The fears on both (actually all 3 sides):

 

BJP: 
Muslims don't deserve any autonomy while they will kick out all Hindus from the Valley and impose their Islamic Sharia, even unofficially. Kashmiris are blackmailing India at moment through their special status. 

 

Pakistan: 
It is a start and if Pak Army does not react, then next step of BJP is to cancel the Indus water treaty and Baluchistan will see a lot of insurgency. Indian army is testing Pakistan at moment. After that, it will go full time against Pakistan. 

 

Kashmiris:

I don't have full information about Kashmiri politics. 

I assume that insurgency in Kashmir was at low level till 2014, and perhaps a sizeable amount of Kashmiris want to stay with India. That is why Pakistan didn't get much success in Kashmir as it got in Afghanistan while locals were not interested in insurgency. 

 

But I am very sure that Kashmiri Muslims don't like BJP and it has been perceived as an extreme threat for the Muslims. Thus the insurgency once again automatically increased in form of Burhan Wani during BJP time. 

 

I don't think BJP could win any elections in Kashmir in near future, while not a single political party has been left which is taking side of BJP. Thus there will be only be presidential rule in Kashmir for the next 30-40 years. 

 

The most important question is if insurgency is going to increase and will the locals take the arms against the BJP led government? 

 

Surely, BJP will try to counter it like the Israel-Palestine model. 

 

Had congress taken such step, then perhaps some Kashmiris would have not been so much worries. But with the present image of BJP, I don't think BJP will get any Kashmiri at it's side. 

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3 hours ago, Asim said:

Modi making fool of himself thinking ind can do an israel... the fact is he is going to set whole india on fire...

Entire India is supportive of the move - those who don't support this move in J&K, already didn't support India. 

 

Kashmiris still have 100% of citizen rights that rest of the country has.  And btw Asim, if this is such a bad move, you really ought to ask yourself why Pakistan did the same thing by splitting Gilgit Baltistan out, selling a part of Kashmir to China, and ruling "azaad Kashmir" with a Pakistan-appointed governor. 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Not the best of decisions. This has the potential to blow up in our faces and our credibility will be shot . However, it's a very bold move I must say 

More issues:

 

* It is one man (one party) show up till now. Therefore, Congress is not on board. In fact India is not fully united on this decision at moment which could cause more problems. 

 

* Other States will become fearful too. I don't think they will support BJP on this. 

 

But just like elections, BJP is hoping to overcome all the opposition at it's own. 

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4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Entire India is supportive of the move - those who don't support this move in J&K, already didn't support India. 

 

Kashmiris still have 100% of citizen rights that rest of the country has.  And btw Asim, if this is such a bad move, you really ought to ask yourself why Pakistan did the same thing by splitting Gilgit Baltistan out, selling a part of Kashmir to China, and ruling "azaad Kashmir" with a Pakistan-appointed governor. 

Pakistani held Kashmir has hardly problems of any insurgency or opposition if we compare it to Indian held Kashmir. 

Gilgit/Baltistan seems to be little more troublesome area for Pakistan, but again cannot be compared with the troubles with Indian held Kashmir. 

 

I don't know how good relations does BJP has with Indian Shia community (especially of Kashmir/Ladakh). If they are going to support BJP?

 

Regarding Sunnis, there were some moderates who were with Congress's India, but doubt anyone will support the BJP led India. 

 

Southern Indian states could see this step from BJP as a threat too for them. 

 

Move may be good, but BJP hard Hindutva face is a hurdle to it. 

 

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38 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

The fears on both (actually all 3 sides):

 

BJP: 
Muslims don't deserve any autonomy while they will kick out all Hindus from the Valley and impose their Islamic Sharia, even unofficially. Kashmiris are blackmailing India at moment through their special status. 

 

 

Kashmiris:

I don't have full information about Kashmiri politics. 

 

You seem to have info on  a lot of Indian things .. Troll 

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21 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

More issues:

 

* It is one man (one party) show up till now. Therefore, Congress is not on board. In fact India is not fully united on this decision at moment which could cause more problems. 

 

* Other States will become fearful too. I don't think they will support BJP on this. 

 

But just like elections, BJP is hoping to overcome all the opposition at it's own. 

Alam Bhai. I know you do not have much info. BJP has lots of leader. Most of these leaders are very shrewd, They can play top level politics against a lot of well known leaders of International Politics. Only common thing about top BJPites is , they are all nationalist first.

 

If you sometime get chance, Hear the debates of these BJPites vs other parties on any issue. You will see there is a dayligh difference between them and others. So no. No need to bring Congress on board. Congress is as good as irrelevant

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37 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Pakistani held Kashmir has hardly problems of any insurgency or opposition if we compare it to Indian held Kashmir. 

Gilgit/Baltistan seems to be little more troublesome area for Pakistan, but again cannot be compared with the troubles with Indian held Kashmir. 

 

I don't know how good relations does BJP has with Indian Shia community (especially of Kashmir/Ladakh). If they are going to support BJP?

 

Regarding Sunnis, there were some moderates who were with Congress's India, but doubt anyone will support the BJP led India. 

 

Southern Indian states could see this step from BJP as a threat too for them. 

 

Move may be good, but BJP hard Hindutva face is a hurdle to it. 

 

Why would other states fear?were they not part of India before?

If J&K is given a normal status what's all the fuss about it? They are coming into mainstream

 

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3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Why would other states fear?were they not part of India before?

 

I may be wrong, but I feel that these states will fear for issues like imposition of Hindi and North Indian hardcore Hindutva by BJP by using power and making all laws/constitution null and void for it's purpose. 

 

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If J&K is given a normal status what's all the fuss about it? They are coming into mainstream

I feel that in no way people (especially Sunni Muslims) are thinking as you are thinking. 

 

For them it is BJP assault on them, their rights, and BJP will make them 2nd class citizens in their area too as it has made Muslims 2nd class citizens in other parts of India. 

 

The hardcore Hindutva face of BJP is the biggest hurdle in any peaceful transition. 

 

Nevertheless, BJP may succeed in forced transition too following the Israel-Palestine model, or Chinese model. 

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53 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Pakistani held Kashmir has hardly problems of any insurgency or opposition if we compare it to Indian held Kashmir. 

Yeah, because anybody who wants to stay alive won't dare utter as much as a peep.  And India isn't flooding Pak-admin Kashmir with illiterate murderers and weapons.  

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10 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

I may be wrong, but I feel that these states will fear for issues like imposition of Hindi and North Indian hardcore Hindutva by BJP by using power and making all laws/constitution null and void for it's purpose. 

 

I feel that in no way people (especially Sunni Muslims) are thinking as you are thinking. 

 

For them it is BJP assault on them, their rights, and BJP will make them 2nd class citizens in their area too as it has made Muslims 2nd class citizens in other parts of India. 

 

The hardcore Hindutva face of BJP is the biggest hurdle in any peaceful transition. 

 

Nevertheless, BJP may succeed in forced transition too following the Israel-Palestine model, or Chinese model. 

Had they assaulted any of the states they couldn't have come with a landslide victory,so don't gossip

I see massive agitation in pakistan itself,you must be talking about pakistan more by being oversmart here

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28 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

I may be wrong, but I feel that these states will fear for issues like imposition of Hindi and North Indian hardcore Hindutva by BJP by using power and making all laws/constitution null and void for it's purpose. 

 

I feel that in no way people (especially Sunni Muslims) are thinking as you are thinking. 

 

For them it is BJP assault on them, their rights, and BJP will make them 2nd class citizens in their area too as it has made Muslims 2nd class citizens in other parts of India. 

 

The hardcore Hindutva face of BJP is the biggest hurdle in any peaceful transition. 

 

Nevertheless, BJP may succeed in forced transition too following the Israel-Palestine model, or Chinese model. 

I think, I understand the angle you are coming from. Inherently Indian system is very cohesive. So most of states are down to local culture and admin purpose only. Ie They all believe in India and say someone from Gujrat speaks Gujrati, for general purpose, if visits a Government Adminstrative office (For example Police Satation) , the Government employees there should understand him. In India there are so many languages, How the hell someone from Punjab will undertsannd Assames or Kannada. So Assam will have local Assmese Police man under State Government.

 

But thats about it. All the laws, all the rights are same in every state. Both Central Government and state Government are supposed to work in development. Central generally controls constitution, tax, laws.

 

System for Kashmir was unacceptable to Indians, Say abolotion of Tripple Talaq, It became a law as soon as it was passed in all of India except Kashmir where it required Local Assembley to pass it again.  Indian states are more cohesive then Pakistans provincial structure.

Take another example. Shiv Sena and Bal Thakrey made so much voise that Mubai for Marathis. But it was classed as stanadard unlawfull activity at local level as well because Police follows the laws made by centre.

Now you can draw anaology to all that in various other space like Land, Education, Job, Infra, Industry and so on

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3 minutes ago, Epic said:

What about article 35A?  It is still there? 

States like Himachal, and Uttarkhand also have law which prohibit outsiders from buying land.

Union Teritories are directly Governed by Centre

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