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Would India have Won test series in Australia had smith n warner played ??

Would India have Won test series in Australia had smith n warner played ??  

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Would India have Won test series in Australia had smith n warner played ??

 

I think so No- Warner is no smith, kohli, williamson but m pretty sure on those wkts he wud have played 1-2 good innings at worst , Smith on his one ground we can very well imagine. Smith was also a good n their main captain which wud have made the diff ....we all saw in IPL when captaincy was taken away from rahane n given to smith they started doing far better . I really doubt we wud have won had these 2 played 

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Smith has scored alots of runs against India & Eng but we had bumrah this time. Would have been good contest but even if bumrah would have had edge over smith in whole series i think smith & warner would have atleast managed to win one match for aus. Who knows could have been series draw but i doubt we would have won it if both of them were playing.

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Maybe not but it doesn't matter. Smith and Warner took the fall for sandpaper but the actual beneficiaries were left untouched. There's no way the Aussie bowlers didn't know and participate in the tampering. So, the Aussies were actually lucky not to lose their bowlers also to the ban. 

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India had Bumrah. His unorthodox action, pace from relative short run ups, ability to bowl yorkers at will, ability to  late adjust  as per the moments of batsman at the crease combined with more bouncier  AUS wkts & unpredictability  of Kuldeep, left arm spin of Jadeja....... it can't be guaranteed that AUS would surely have won with these 2 players in the team.Keep in mind Smith was reduced to a no body in that SAF series led by Maharaj & Morkel.     

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Not even a question,they almost defeated us in third test ,thanks to a stubborn "never say die "attitude of Aussies and that too without their two best batters

Smith , Warner would have made sure India leave Aussie shores without a win

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Touring teams mostly win at the den of the opposition when they are not their best, players are injured or in retirement phase.  No team can beat a strong Aus at home.  Same is the case for England.  England wasnt the strongest in this game as they had to play with 10 men.  dont jump the gun.  Anderson's injury proved costly for England.  Would Aus have won this test if Anderson was fit the whole match.  You are talking about Smith and Warner not playing against India but forgetting about Anderson not playing this game.  He alone could have changed the game for England.

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8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Touring teams mostly win at the den of the opposition when they are not their best, players are injured or in retirement phase.  No team can beat a strong Aus at home.  Same is the case for England.  England wasnt the strongest in this game as they had to play with 10 men.  dont jump the gun.  Anderson's injury proved costly for England.  Would Aus have won this test if Anderson was fit the whole match.  You are talking about Smith and Warner not playing against India but forgetting about Anderson not playing this game.  He alone could have changed the game for England.

Anderson on this pitch wouldn't have been effective at all. If anything his ball would have hardly reached wicket keeper imo.

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India won the first test by 31 runs. All else being equal, do you think Smith/Warner would have averaged 8 runs more per inning each than the worst 2 specialist batsmen in the Aussie team? I’d put money on yes. 

 

I suspect India would have at the very least lost the test series 2-1 instead of winning 2-1 with Smith/Warner. 

 

But the direct impact was less in the number of runs and more that Australia lost their entire leadership in all forms of the game in 1 shot. Even the 1 Test India did win may have gone the other way with Smith/Warner. 

 

Plots harder to say if ODIs would have been any different because ODIs are more fickle, and it’s quite possible that Smith/Warner would have not performed and India would have been able to get them out, or the Indian batting/bowling would have been able to win despite the additional runs Australia would have put up. OTOH the tactics that come with experienced leadership would have been even more important here. 

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23 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Touring teams mostly win at the den of the opposition when they are not their best, players are injured or in retirement phase.  No team can beat a strong Aus at home.  Same is the case for England.  England wasnt the strongest in this game as they had to play with 10 men.  dont jump the gun.  Anderson's injury proved costly for England.  Would Aus have won this test if Anderson was fit the whole match.  You are talking about Smith and Warner not playing against India but forgetting about Anderson not playing this game.  He alone could have changed the game for England.

Yes, Australia would have won if Anderson would have played the whole match. There isn’t even a question about it. Anderson wasn’t going to be the difference maker on this pitch. 

 

Englands problem was their inability to play spin, and that they lacked anyone who could exploit a wicket that had quite a bit for the spinners. That’s why they lost. 

 

Oh and because they have absolutely no clue no clue what to do with Steve Smith. 

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Would Aus have won 2004 series had we not prepared green top in Nagpur or had Tendulkar been fit?  

yes they still wud have won 

they won 1st test in banglore which wasnt a green top........

tendulkar still played 2 test out of 4..........tendulkar nyways wasnt in outstanding form in those years like smith have been . In 2003 he avg 17......

Ur talking about one batsman who was struggling with injuries in those phase.....here its 2 batsman among which one who has been at top of his game with no injury n form issue . 

 

Talking about ifs n buts in that series .....we wont have even won 1 test in that series had we batted in 4th innings of mumbai test. Pitches, toss, injuries keep happening. This was ban which duration was long n unfair. Neways that aussie team won every where.......here shastri n kohli tout that victory as if we have soughted all our overseas issue.....where as reality was Eng n SA tour 

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1 hour ago, diga said:

We just might have if Kohli was not the captain

who else wud have been the captain ??

Pujara- before that tour he himself was under many question in regds to overseas

Ashwin- struggling with fitness n inconsistencies overseas

Rahane- has been going through terrible form in last 2 yrs 

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9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yes they still wud have won 

they won 1st test in banglore which wasnt a green top........

tendulkar still played 2 test out of 4..........tendulkar nyways wasnt in outstanding form in those years like smith have been . In 2003 he avg 17......

Ur talking about one batsman who was struggling with injuries in those phase.....here its 2 batsman among which one who has been at top of his game with no injury n form issue . 

There was more than one factor in Oz winning that series like dubious umpiring by Silly Billy, you are also forgetting the second test which we could've won. There's no guarantee they would've gone on to win the series if we'd won Chennai, but hey let's keep stoking that fire.

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10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

who else wud have been the captain ??

Pujara- before that tour he himself was under many question in regds to overseas

Ashwin- struggling with fitness n inconsistencies overseas

Rahane- has been going through terrible form in last 2 yrs 

Since its a what-if thread, we dont know what would have happened, had there been a better captain than Kohli

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22 hours ago, Insidious said:

why Another away series to Australia in 2020-21. it is Australia , who should be touring us . Gaya border - Gavaskar trophy haath se.

 

vagaries of icc w championship

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some people are speaking as if India would have lost 100%  had Smith & Warner played. This is nonsense to say the least.

Unorthodox Bumrah & Kuldeep +  left arm spin of Jadeja  with luck in toss ..... there would have been  no guarantee of that

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I think yes ,we would have won .

India winning the series was mainly because we won the toss and batted first, India has to bat first in order to win in SENA ,it doesn't matter even if we face a strong side ,we mostly win when we win the toss ,the psyche of the team changes !

We cant chase anything even if our lives depended on it 

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On 8/5/2019 at 10:17 PM, rkt.india said:

Touring teams mostly win at the den of the opposition when they are not their best, players are injured or in retirement phase.  No team can beat a strong Aus at home.  Same is the case for England.  England wasnt the strongest in this game as they had to play with 10 men.  dont jump the gun.  Anderson's injury proved costly for England.  Would Aus have won this test if Anderson was fit the whole match.  You are talking about Smith and Warner not playing against India but forgetting about Anderson not playing this game.  He alone could have changed the game for England.

But then Australia were missing hazlewood and starc ,so Australia have a point themselves .starc would have loved to bowl on this pitch .

India also missed bhuvi and bumrah in the 1st test against England last year ,we would have surely won that test with the help of bhuvi's batting and bowling 

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11 minutes ago, adi B said:

But then Australia were missing hazlewood and starc ,so Australia have a point themselves .starc would have loved to bowl on this pitch .

India also missed bhuvi and bumrah in the 1st test against England last year ,we would have surely won that test with the help of bhuvi's batting and bowling 

What, come again? Starc is a B grade (test) bowler compared to Cummins, Pattinson & Hazlewood in that order. He's proved time  again that he isn't good or consistent enough over long periods of time during a test or series, except in Oz or SL. Aus certainly didn't miss him or Hazlewood, given their best bowlers were playing.

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Yes. Warner would not have made much difference. Harris played decently. Smith would have made some difference but remember if not for weather we would have won the series easily at 3-1.

 

Remember we also missed out on Prithvi shaw and had terrible openers for some tests.

 

So Smith could have made the series closer but i believe we would have won.

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On 8/5/2019 at 12:56 PM, Nikola said:

Anderson on this pitch wouldn't have been effective at all. If anything his ball would have hardly reached wicket keeper imo.

anderson has done quite well in english pitches even when they offer little. if you look at his record over past several yrs, he has done well in most conditions (especially at home). I am quite certain he would have been more effective than some of their other pacers. of course, the major diff was ali vs lyon but the match would have been closer with cloud-boy.

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21 minutes ago, Vijy said:

anderson has done quite well in english pitches even when they offer little. if you look at his record over past several yrs, he has done well in most conditions (especially at home). I am quite certain he would have been more effective than some of their other pacers. of course, the major diff was ali vs lyon but the match would have been closer with cloud-boy.

well even pat cummins's ball hardly reached till keeper idk what 37 year old anderson would have done on that pitch but yeah maybe workload management could have been better.

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6 minutes ago, Nikola said:

well even pat cummins's ball hardly reached till keeper idk what 37 year old anderson would have done on that pitch but yeah maybe workload management could have been better.

cummins is a hit-the-deck bowler who thrives on pitches with true bounce, although he is pretty good in most conditions. anderson has played in domestics on a few fairly dead and low tracks like this one, and has the experience to do alright. mind you, as I said, I am not saying the result would go other way: the real difference was ali vs lyon.

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13 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Well smith alone destroyed eng on english pitches. If people think Brandu  and his banar sena could have won in presence of smith and warner lets wait for next test series in aus.

Why wait that long. They will completely pwn us at home. Check Smith's last tour here. India struggled to dismiss him both at home and away. Compare that to Rat's average against Aus in India. It was in single digits. If Rat played in the last test, we would have lost the series. Thank god for Rahane and his excellent captaincy working with Kumble in the background. Rat has battlwala in the background. You heard it here first. They will beat us in India after 2004 if rat-bewda combo continues to operate

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7 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Why wait that long. They will completely pwn us at home. Check Smith's last tour here. India struggled to dismiss him both at home and away. Compare that to Rat's average against Aus in India. It was in single digits. If Rat played in the last test, we would have lost the series. Thank god for Rahane and his excellent captaincy working with Kumble in the background. Rat has battlwala in the background. You heard it here first. They will beat us in India after 2004 if rat-bewda combo continues to operate

yes, there's a good chance. our best hope is to avoid preparing direct turners since smith is better than any of our batsmen against big turn except chepu. the idea should be to have pitches with just enough purchase for ash-jaddu-kuldeep but not much more. a lot will also depend on how ind handle the Lion.

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